Insecticides and auto immunity

[overnighthearingloss]

Do you live in an area where lots of insecticides are used. You may find this interesting.

everydayhealth.com/rheumato...

[Fennella02]

I find this particularly interesting because I live in a heavily farmed arable area of Somerset. Our garden is bordered on al sides by enormous fields with more on the other side of the lane. Potatoes are the worst - they are literally drenched in chemical every two weeks. There are rules about wind speeds etc to limit spread when spraying but I can testify that these are flouted/ignored all the time. It’s unproven but the word on the street and amongst local vets is that our dogs in this area have too high an incidence of cancer and other nasties - possibly due to this heavy spraying.

Thank you for sharing this - frightening though it is x

[overnighthearingloss in reply to Fennella02]

I find it very scary.

Especially as we are talking about something we all eat. It's extremely difficult to win. Even if you choose to eat organic, you can't do it 100% of the time and if you live where somebody else is spraying you are trapped.

[overnighthearingloss in reply to Fennella02]

On the pet front the organophosphate based flea treatments, have had me wondering about safety for ages. If you have to couple that with your pet running free amongst other poisons it's no wonder vets may be chattering amongst themselves.

[farmerfeste]

As some one who in the course off my employment applied many gallons off all types off chemicals to crops on the farm if chemicals are as bad as we are reading I and some off my colleagues would not be here any more it would be easy for me to say it's the chemicals I applied that's caused my sle , but my mother had it first however she was living when there was little or no ag chemicals as for organic what was the average life span when everyone ate organic ,take away ag chemicals and we will be short off food .

[overnighthearingloss in reply to farmerfeste]

Hmmn, that old chestnut. Quantity over quality

Clear differences between organic and non-organic food, study finds | Environment | The Guardian

theguardian.com/environment...

What's the point of greater quantity if you have to grow and eat more for same quality. To not produce of the same quality leads to nutritional deficiencies and illness.

Yes, I am quite new to that information as well. You would have thought those interested in our health would inform us of such things wouldn't you.

Maybe the profits to be made cause a bit of selective amnesia.

[Fennella02]

My lupus isn’t caused by chemicals but I do have 3 children and often worry when my daughter complains of cold extremities and sore joints etc.

My husband works at a senior level on plant breeding and production and also sits on the Soil Association. He doesn’t scaremonger but he’s adamant that, in our household, carrots and milk must be organic. Organic spuds require very high levels of copper sulphate so we grow & store our own as much as poss. I’m a veggie and wouldn’t buy any meat at all but when I do buy poultry and pork, I insist on it being organic free range. Lamb is generally reared fairly naturally and I don’t buy beef as Quorn is just as good for lasagne, cottage pie, bolognese etc.

[overnighthearingloss in reply to Fennella02]

I have only recently become aware of the difference in quality myself. After reading i wasnt convinced. There's quite a price differential so it's a bit of a leap in faith to give it a try.

But I am becoming convinced there is truth to it.

Conventional crops rely on the addition of NPK, nitrogen, potassium and phosphorus. But organically grown crops, because the soil has been built up and improved, provide a much greater array of vitamins and minerals, and they dont have the chemicals that may be causing harm to our gut microbiome.

[Fennella02 in reply to overnighthearingloss]

Organic carrots taste and store much better than conventional, of that I am convinced. In years to come, I think there will be a whole new range of disease to contend with caused by cheap food production, chemicals, lifestyle/obesity etc. My children have developed a penchant for ready meals (loaded with nitrates) and were stunned when I said that I have never eaten one! Nor have I eaten pre-packaged sandwiches and other such foods. It’s not that I never would, I just never have!

[Fennella02 in reply to Fennella02]

And I’m 51!

[overnighthearingloss in reply to Fennella02]

Now you see, that is how I used to eat. Constantly on the run. Meals were always something quick. Microwave meals often were the choice. And sandwiches the order of the day at work. I really didn't realise that I was depriving myself of nutrition.

Looking back with my new information, I can now understand how my body became overwhelmed. Maybe I would always have got lupus but.....???

[overnighthearingloss in reply to Fennella02]

Organic carrots are much sweeter, I agree.

[eekt in reply to Fennella02]

We're here already...the dramatic rise in cancer rates is partly attributed to processed and low quality foods produced from the sixties onwards! Not enough data for links to autoimmunity xxx

[Fennella02 in reply to eekt]

Do you have any links - I’d love to show a report to my children. WebMD recently sent me ‘The 13 most cancer producing things’ - one of which was nitrates.

[eekt in reply to Fennella02]

nhs.uk/news/cancer/ultra-pr...

cancer.org/latest-news/worl...

xxx

[Fennella02 in reply to eekt]

Thank you. We’ve started buying a large gammon joint which we then carve up for sliced ham. Need to get away from sausages although handmade butchers sausages aren’t processed. Scary, isn’t it?

[overnighthearingloss in reply to Fennella02]

Always check the ingredients list. Some joints will still have nitrates. I used to really enjoy bacon and ham. Now in order to satisfy cravings we will occasionally buy Parma ham. But even there you need to check the ingredients. We have only found one that doesn't contain nitrates. And its a different taste and texture that not everybody likes.

[overnighthearingloss in reply to Fennella02]

I remember my grandmother always used to buy a slab of bacon a bit like a flattened gammon joint and carve her own bacon when we were tiny. You ended up with a really crispy bit of thick bacon rind on it. It was delicious.

[overnighthearingloss in reply to eekt]

I cant open the first link.

[eekt in reply to overnighthearingloss]

Thanks, now pasted in properly! xxx

[Treetop33]

I agree this is an issue for susceptible people. Where I live older people and the Brexity farmers quite happily spray everything with poison, never bothering to find out about new agricultural techniques that don't involve chemicals (and if they did they'd probably say we were namby pamby snowflakes for trying to avoid toxins).

I eat organic as much as possible, filter the water and drink a teaspoon of bentonite clay every day (it's a detoxer).

[eekt]

Re toxic chemicals...there's a brand new hospital that's been finished internally with the plaster the Romans used....lime...it absorbs airborne toxins including formaldehyde xxx

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[farmerfeste]

A little healthy debate is good there is no decent farmer on this land covers there land in chemicals for the sake of it 1 they simply couldn't afford to 2 every drop off chemical used has to be justified before using a weed killer a selective weed killer it has to be proved the weed it kills have to be there same for insert tic ides plus the bees have to be in bed there

Are products for things like mildew and scab not very dangerous but organic products get

Scab and mildew I don't want to eat that .

There are chemicals to help keep your salad fresh I don't want to eat that organic producers use that to

Finally iff a organic farmer had 20 acres off prime strawberrys and they started taking a

Disease would he or she let them die or treat with a very expensive product to save some crop to cut there losses .

iether way there is no money in farming if they lose thier European grants the british people will have to pay a lot more for thier food .

My wife and I like to buy organic when we can get something decent but that's not often .

[overnighthearingloss in reply to farmerfeste]

I don't know how we will manage after brexit. Especially with European subsides that wont be there.

it scares me that we will end up signing up for gmo imports from America.

Maybe we need to learn very quickly how to survive on air.