Penel

I think the article you have posted is right, if you don’t want to eat breakfast, don’t bother with it. I prefer to miss lunch rather than breakfast, it’s entirely up to your individual metabolism.

NinjaW78 in reply to Penel

Hi, it's not that I don't want to eat for any particular reason other than I just don't feel hungry, I watch my kids tuck into their toast and a cup of tea, my wife dives into a bowl of Muesli with chopped banana and a cup of tea, and instantly think Oh god no!! how do they do that????. Judging by the responses I have had so far it looks like I'm not going to affect my weight loss plan as long as I continue with the way I'm going at the moment, after all I have lost 4 lbs in the last three weeks so I must be doing something correct.

Thanks for taking the time to respond, it is appreciated.

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RignoldKeto

Not eating first thing (I dislike the term sipping breakfast as it implies you are avoiding something you ought to be doing) will have neither beneficial nor detriental effect on weight loss. The real secret to any weight loss or maintenance plan is following a regime that is sustainable for you, and if eating breakfast is a chore then it is not something you are going to adhere to in the long term, even if it did confer some benefit, which it doesn't. So fire up that coffe pot and enjoy your tranquility and break your fast whenever suits you.

NinjaW78 in reply to Rignold

Thanks for the reply, and yes coffee and tranquility will reign supreme my family can keep the rabbit food for themselves

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NinjaW78

Thanks for the reply, in your opinion (without troubling you for a long list) what do you class as real foods?

TheAwfulToad

Completely agree with the comments from Rignold and Penel - if you don't want to eat breakfast then don't. Although people debate endlessly over the meaning of breakfast, I can't think of any obvious physiological reason why it would influence weight-loss progress one way or the other. At least not in any dramatic way. I would certainly say having a bowl of breakfast cereal or toast would be worse (from a weight-loss point of view) than just having coffee.

Like Penel, I prefer to have a big breakfast and have a very small lunch (or sometimes none at all). But that's just me.

What might be important, though, is that when you do feel hungry mid-morning you have something sensible (real food, as Hidden said). As opposed to, say, a Mars bar. You can't really go wrong with eggs.

NinjaW78 in reply to TheAwfulToad

Thanks for that, from what I was led to believe regarding not having breakfast was that! what you are doing is prolonging the fast from when you went to sleep the night before, the body then becomes used to not having food and therefore slows down its natural calorific burn rate holding onto body fat as reserves because its not sure when it will be nourished again, therefore when you do have lunch or other meals it takes longer to burn off the calories and exercise has to increase to compensate, but the other side of the argument is that if you eat sensibly and regularly three times a day, the metabolism increases as the body is now used to getting more regular intake of food and therefore burns the calories quicker as it knows that it does not need to store fat due to the frequent intake, it's all good stuff but I don't know what to believe.

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Marshall64 in reply to NinjaW78

That is interesting about the effect on metabolism. I like to eat late at night. I read that when you skip eating breakfast, you are more prone to eat late at night. When you eat late at night, you tend to not eat in the morning. I think I'm in that cycle.

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NinjaW78 in reply to Marshall64

WELCOME TO MY WORLD

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TheAwfulToad in reply to NinjaW78

ehhh ... it's true that your body can reconfigure itself to hold onto bodyfat reserves, but it doesn't happen on that short timescale (and even if it did, logically, it would crank right up again as soon as you ate something). It happens with prolonged, consistent caloric restriction.

The most dramatic way to slow your metabolism (ie., to increase your metabolic efficiency) is to exercise. So if the theory about skipping breakfast were true, it would also imply that you shouldn't exercise. in fact exercising while imposing a calorie deficit DOES result in your body holding onto fat - it's the reason fat people get so frustrated when they follow their diet, crank away on the crosstrainer for an hour a day ... and stay fat.

Simplistically, your body stores fat when you digest carbohydrates at a rate faster than your body can burn them for energy. It releases stored fat when blood sugar falls (or rather when insulin levels fall). The aim, then, is to keep your blood sugar consistently low, and you can do that either by skipping meals or by not eating carbohydrates. Or both.

Exercise works not by "burning more calories" - you can't exercise and eat at the same time - but by increasing your general insulin sensitivity. Your muscles get better at either using or storing excess carbohydrates so they don't end up as fat, and your fat cells get better at releasing stored fat when required.

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Marshall64

My daughter doesn't like breakfast but I felt bad as a parent sending her off to school without it. I got her to drink a half of a protein shake.

On the weekends neither of us eat breakfast unless she has a friend sleeping over in which case I make pancakes.

NinjaW78 in reply to Marshall64

I could understand your concerns with your daughter and breakfast, my we have always sent our Kids off with some form of nourishment on board before they leave in the morning, after all they need this due to their active life styles and growth spurts at that age.

To be honest if I hadn't gone down the road of trying to look like a sad old 'Daniel Craig' I wouldn't have even bothered asking or even thinking breakfast and just carried on, but hey vanity and all that good stuff, a minor 'beer belly' doesn't look 'cool' when you stood between a 15 and 17 year old to have a photo.. what more can I say.

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Marshall64 in reply to NinjaW78

Omg. That was funny...

I used to make breakfast for my daughter but she could eat like two bites and that was it..

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TheAwfulToad in reply to NinjaW78

Absolutely nothing wrong with looking like Daniel Craig. Doesn't seem to have done Daniel Craig any harm anyway.

I see a lot of guys my age who seem to be at death's door, or at least would collapse in a gasping heap if they had to run for the bus. There's absolutely no need for that. Since you're ex-RAF I assume you've kept yourself pretty fit and it's natural to want to hold onto that for as long as possible. Personally, my worst nightmare is to be useless and immobile. I want to die running, or at least upright.

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NinjaW78 in reply to TheAwfulToad

when you say keep myself fit, I have never been a fitness freak or visited the gym like my mate did on a regular basis ,I tried it once and found it sole destroying. However I constantly played all manor of ball related sports (football mainly) until my mid thirties until sadly knee injuries put pay to that in any competitive form, but I think the 'Air Force' bred into me that sitting around doesn't achieve anything (unless your an Author), so even though I left the Air Force in the late 80's I've always kept myself busy with all different type of 'diy' projects, most days I finish work and be in the garage or working on some mechanical or house related project until the the early hours of the morning, for instance yesterday evening I thought that I should cut back a few shrubs around my garden pond!!, that led from one thing to another around the garden, then at 10.30 pm I replaced a tyre and chain on my sons mountain bike; eventually sitting down at 11.30 pm. But I have to admit just to top of the self satisfaction of my efforts I am partial to a tin of larger to celebrate my efforts. Bad, Bad,Man

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NinjaW78 in reply to TheAwfulToad

Sorry about that, I should proof read before I post, my spelling was atrocious, 'Lager' not Larger!!! and how many 'until's' in one sentence?? Cor' I don't know it must be age related

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RignoldKeto

I make a major distinction between what and how I eat and what and how I feed my children. Their nutritional needs are quite different to mine.

As regards the body hanging on to calories if it is not fed every few hours i have not seen anything that suggests that is the case. In fact studies I have seen looking at whether there is a difference between eating six or eight small meals spaced through the day or three at regular times or one large one (the kind of thing the bodybuilding communty debates ad nauseam) tend to the conclusion that it makes very little difference to gains or cutting (protein uptake aside). Certainly the legions of intermittent fasters do not seem to suffer any fat gains from their approach.

Toad: in my earlier post I almost wrote the only thing that matters is that you are in caloric deficit, then thought of you, and decided discretion was the better part of valour.

TheAwfulToad in reply to Rignold

LOL I did try to clarify my stance on that in the 'My Doctor Says' post. If you are losing fat then by definition you are in calorie deficit. However you can't induce that caloric deficit by decreasing your input energy, because your body is controlling its energy burn (over the long term) to match the input energy.

Anyway, point is - as you said - the experimental evidence is that breakfast timing, or meal skipping, doesn't seem to have any dramatic impact on long-term fat loss.

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Aurora16

I am the same.

I rarely have breakfast. Only once in a while do I fancy it. I'm just not hungry.

In fact had an 'early lunch' as muesli.

I always argue -why eat when you're not hungry?

I do recognise that as we're trying to retrain our bodies to 'get it right' ought we change this. But once I hit adulthood I often missed breakfasts then it became more regular.

I think too people reckon we 'eat more later to compensate' but I don't.

In nearly all diets it states - don't eat when you're not hungry.

As you rightly say some state that not eating early helps the body 'recover' too!

There's also the thought of only eating within a 6hr window.

This I think could help, perhaps because you're less hungry within those 6hrs?!

Many others state periods of 'starving' helps the body & dieting.

Yet tell ppl you don't want breakfast & they're most put out.

So I say absolutely do what your body is comfortable with.

I know what you mean about doing your diet that's tuned to you !

There's a dna test you can do to tune a diet to you.

I see Lloyds Pharmacy are doing it for £59

lloydspharmacy.com/en/my-dn...

andyswarbs

I don't think eating of skipping a particular meal affects weight loss. What affects your weight is the number of satisfying calories you consume for your body/exercise/gender etc. I say satisfying because if you are not satiated then you will eat more at some point in the day.