Pip Tribunal

Oh well that was a hard day. All for nothing because half way thru my first interrogation the judge stopped proceedings and asked us to leave the room. 10 mins later we are informed they want even more evidence and they want it directly from my doc sooooooo I sign the consent form and am sent off home.....it took us longer to get there than we actually were in the room.

My partner had to take the day without pay and we have spent nearly 150 quid getting all my medical records sorted and printed and copied. We have put so much energy into this and it has stressed me out so much I have been sick with worry cannot sleep or eat anything and they send me home. My tribunal is adjourned until further notice.

I'm not sure if this is a good or bad thing, they didn't even ask to look at my written evidence I had gathered and paid for. I am now in such a state, tired and in a lot of pain from having to sit on public transport for over 2 hours meeting people and talking to all of these strangers I don't know about my personal life and health issues...judging me.

It was horrible and I'm not sure I can go thru it again.

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  • That is awful for you to go through all this the things we have to do to get what is needed . I can understand that we have to provide evidence but it's not fair that we are interagated it's bad enough the pain you are going through without having to deal with that .

  • Wow!! Are there no depths of persecution these people will not got to? I am livid on your behalf 😠 how dare they, you've obviously gone through a lot to get where you where & for them to adjourn in such a manner is disgraceful. I truly hope it is a good sign & you get what you deserve.

    Lots of hugs πŸ€—πŸ€—πŸ€—πŸ€—πŸ€—

  • thank you your annoyance made me smile xx

  • What an experience. Stick with it as exactly the same happened to us for OHs ESA appeal. They decided they wanted a complete medical record of his visits to GP etc from the day he first went. We had to wait some time to go to the second Tribunal but he went from O to 18 points and had an apology from the judge saying he should never have been put through that experience. Let us know what happens.x

  • Hi abra_cadabra

    I am so genuinely sorry to read of the stress and turmoil this has all caused you. I want to sincerely wish you all the best of luck when your appeal reconvenes and please take care of yourself my friend.

    All my hopes and dreams for you

    Ken

  • That's just have made you feel deflated , but I would take it as posative as the are going through things and you should get a truthful result with the correct out come ,I would think if you were no to be awarded something they would have done it on the day as it all costs time and money I wish you well and keep strong

  • Hi abra_cadabra

    Like cudsleepforaweek I am so angry 😑 that these strangers put people through all this and tell me how can they really know what is really wrong with us and what we really suffer!!! They see people for a very short period and have some paper work that's all they have to go on. I feel like shouting from the rooftops about these people and what they make people go through. All this stress makes people worse. They really need to change this system and take a good look at themselves. Or think about if one of there family or friends went through this procedure. It would be a whole different story then. Sorry for the rant but I just had to let that out. I read on here how so many people have to go through this and in my opinion it's disgusting. 😑😑 I am truly on your side I hope your next time with these people is a lot better and you get what you truly deserve. Please let us all know how you get on. I am sending you love and warm hugs. Best of luck my friend. Jan101 xxxxx

  • Hi there, first thing is whilst im sure you feel this way now you will recover from the journey and you have to gind the strength to do it again. But something you said has concerned me, firstly the bit about your doctor if you requested your doctor to provide all relevant information from your records then they should have done that but also what you ssid sbout them not wanting to see your paper evidence, that evidence should have been sent in to DWP before your assessment. Obviously you should nae hard copies of the reports before you send the originals but usually the DWP will stamp and return the originals once they have copied them. It may well be that because the examiner didnt have other reports they wanted the concise break down from your gp giving a time line and results including a diagnosis and prognosis. It may well be that the examiner has done you a favour because they realised that you were providing more informstion than could be gathered at the face to face assessment. Please remember the assessor doesnt make decisions about your claim, that is the DWP. What the assessor is doing is asking you further questions about you and seeing how your conditions affect you, but if the assessor cant determine what your conditions are then it would be very difficult to do that in a brief assessment.

    Please dont think i am siding with the DWP i am not i am only concerned that you get a fair assessment and it seems that you did not, but it may be the assessor realised that it couldnt be a fair assessment with the information they had in place on that day.

    Please dont give up, i went through the whole process being denied flat st every stage then won at the final tribunal and so have quite a number of others.

    Blessings.

  • It was the Judge who has requested more info they did already have the paperwork from my previous 3 claims that where turned down in front of them. They want more info on my anxiety and depression status as that has changed in the last 3 weeks, I have been put back on the sertraline and the doses are being put on the highest asap due to my state of mind atm.

    On top of all this we also found out last night after this all happened my partner might be out of a job by the summer which means we will have to sell the house and move in with his dad. This is heartbreaking and I am sat in tears writing this.

    Thank you all for your kind words, I'll just have to see how this goes I am not hopeful and will now start looking for a job.

  • Im sorry it looks like i got the wrong end of the stick but i still think that the proceedings being stopped will be in your favour, at my tribunal loads of the paperwork was missing and that got me the decision, i really hope things improve for you and that your husband doesnt lose his job. Blessings.

  • Hi, I also thinks this sounds positive in your favour. If they could save time and money wrapping your claim up there and then I think they would, don't you? I have also seen a change for the worse in my conditions since sending away for my original appeal. It has taken a year for my tribunal to be heard. They didn't want to know how the changes affect me now but how my conditions were at the time of appeal. I wish you all the very best of luck. Is it possible you could go to CAB to get their advice and help, maybe could help you if they have come across this turn of events before? Love and gentle hugs β€πŸ€— X x

  • I am so sorry.

  • My mandatory reconsideration was turned down so tribunal it is then . They lied on my assessment and wrote different answers to what I said . I was disgusted by this how can they treat people like this and get away with it .

  • When I asked my GP to verify everything I had said on my forms he told me it wasn't his job the admin see to that side of things. I asked how that can be cos all they do is look at notes he will make which don't tell the full story of what the doc actually sees and hears personally with me he simply said thats how it is.

    I know the info that was sent didn't match up with mine hence constant refusal for my pip claims. I am seeing my GP next week and hopefully we can sort this out between us

    Anyway I'm exhausted and in pain I'm going to have a lie down and try rest my brain

  • Hi Littlemole43 I want to sincerely wish you all the best of luck with your tribunal, and please take care of yourself my friend.

    All my hopes and dreams for you

    Ken

  • Hi I need some advice do you think it's better to go to the hearing or let them do it without me there?

  • Hi Littlemole43 Personally I would go if you can Then you can state your case my friend. There may be things that do not come up that you can raise that would help your case? Good luck my friend.

  • Yes that's what I decided I appreciate your input πŸ˜†

  • Good luck my friend :)

  • I would def go, it will be hard and very depressing but you need to be there, ask for a break and take your time when asnwering their questions

    good luck

  • Thanks everyone for your words of comfort it is greatly appreciated more so than you will ever know xx

  • Hi again abra_cadabra

    I just wanted to add that you could ask to see and / or request copies of your medical records yourself. I have pasted an excerpt and a link to the *NHS Choices cache on this issue:

    *How do I access my medical records (health records)?

    nhs.uk/chq/pages/1309.aspx?...

    *Applying for access to your health records

    *Depending on which health records you want to see, submit your request in writing or by email to a registered health professional such as:

    your GP surgery

    your optician

    your dentist

    the hospital trust's health records manager or patient services manager

    This is known as a Subject Access Request (SAR).

    It's a good idea to state the dates of the records when you apply.

    The health records manager or other healthcare professional will decide whether your request can be approved. They can sometimes refuse to disclose information if, for example the information you have asked for contains information that relates to another person.

    Under the Data Protection Act, requests for access to records should be met within 40 days. However, government guidance for healthcare organisations says they should aim to respond within 21 days.

    I also wanted to say how truly sorry I am to read that your partner may be losing their job. I sincerely hope that you do not have to sell your house. I want to sincerely wish you all the best of luck, and please take care of yourself my friend.

    All my hopes and dreams for you

    Ken x

  • I have all my medical records it cost me over Β£50, other half had to take a day off without pay for the tribunal and then all the work that has gone into filling forms in and working at getting our notes in order not to mention all the visits to GP asking him to verify all my claims and getting it in writing of myself. The pip people didn't have any records of my gp notes because they didn't bother sending anything my GP said it wasn't his job.

    So I have been working on all of this for over a year for nothing because I know for a fact they will still refuse me, their attitude was horrible towards me and they made feel like I was a fake just trying to scrounge off them.

    I spent half an hour explaining my type of epilepsy before we even got to the pain and depression, explaining mind you that I have no idea what happens when I have a seizure, no memory of it before during and after, he then asked me to tell him what happens when I have a seizure......I just cried and felt such an idiot!

    They judge you before they meet you and I am under no illusions that I will be turned down.

    thanks for your words much appreciated

  • Hi abra_cadabra that all really does sound so awful my friend, and I want to sincerely wish you all the best of luck with the tribunal outcome, and please take care of yourself.

    All my hopes and dreams for you

    Ken

  • Hi Hun surely u can claim u travel expenses back for u, and ur husband ( u carerer ). Take ur receipts to the unemployment office or CAB for advice

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