I don't have NASH= STOP LIVER SUPPLEMENTS

[Ednoral]

Well, I finally got to talk to a Hepatologist today. Turns out I don't have NASH as diagnosed by my family doctor back in May 2020. But have to admit that quitting all alcohol and changing my diet has made me feel better. I do have fatty liver though and have to wait 3 mths for a fibroscan due to "back log" from Covid. I was also told to STOP taking the liver supplements or cleanses that I thought was doing my liver good. This doctor told me it's the worst thing to take and that it is just places extra stress on the liver as it has to filter out all that stuff out. It was called "Liver Health" and I got it on Amazon. It says it "protects liver and supports liver function". It has about 12 different items in it. Doctor said stop it all. We will wait to do blood tests. I am guessing that is where I was getting all my "liver pain" from this liver health supplement! Live and learn. Glad I talked to this specialist.

[bookish]

Hi. Is that the only supplement that you've been using and have been advised to stop? (You mention cleanses). I'd be interested to know the brand/s please. Did the specialist see the ingredients, or was this a blanket 'no supplements' kind of thing? Thanks. I'm glad the diet changes have been positive. Best wishes

[Ednoral in reply to bookish]

Yes, but the doctor said also don't use "cleanses". He went on to tell me about one of his patients who had liver enzymes that were sky high because of the "cleanses" she had been using. He didn't tell me what cleanses they were, but I expect any of those ones advertised on the internet. I told him I thought that milkthistle was supposed to be good for the liver, after what I had read about it. He said it doesn't hurt and it doesn't help so taking it is rather useless. Now I have heard this about milkthistle before but dismissed it. Amazon's description of this "liver health"supplement was deceptive in that they didn't give any clinical studies or trials to backup their claims.

[grapewizard in reply to Ednoral]

I too was told to stop all vitamins and supplements EXCEPT for vitamin E and D. Men have to watch out for a prostate risk with E, but otherwise those 2 are important for liver health. The only "cleanse" that you should do for your liver is weight loss to give it a rest and a glass of water each morning with a squeeze of lemon. Your liver wakes up every morning at 4am and "takes the trash to the curb". The lemon water will get rid of the trash so you start your day with fresh blood. If you don't, your liver reabsorbs it.

[Ednoral in reply to grapewizard]

Yes, that is very good advice. All these supplements and cleanses should be taken with caution. The fact that I had liver pain while taking this "liver health" concoction says a lot.

[BonArr in reply to grapewizard]

Make sure you take Vit E at a different time than Vit D. Also taking Magnesium at same time as Vit D helps you absorb both better.

[bookish in reply to Ednoral]

Thanks, but I'm no clearer. I don't really follow what you mean about cleanses, so forget that bit. If he wasn't specific, it could mean anything, no doubt there are thousands of these things available - some may be very good, many will be rubbish. The 'Liver Health' product bought on Amazon will have been made by someone - please can you tell me the name of the company, written on the bottle? I was hoping to see what the 12 ingredients are. Presumably the milk thistle is one of them, or were you taking a separate supplement of that? (The description and claims will most likely be the manufacturer or the distributor/shop, not Amazon's own). Thanks

[Ednoral in reply to bookish]

I'm not blaming Amazon, they are just the vehicle for the product.

Total Liver Health: Liver Cleanse, Detox, Regeneration, Fatty Liver Reversal. Protection from Infections & Toxins. Trademarked Ingredient Picroliv. Made in Canada

SCIENTIFICALLY VALIDATED & TRADEMARKED INGREDIENT PICROLIV: Picrorhiza kurroa protects and heals - a bitter herb used for the purpose of helping the liver and digestion.

I never really read all this but it's claims probably have never been challenged.

Yes, it has milkthistle in it. Studies have shown this herb neither helps nor hurts the liver,so why the h are we taking it?

[bookish in reply to Ednoral]

Thank you. (Incidentally I have no love of Amazon, I was just stating facts). I've never heard of the Picroliv and don't have reference to it in any of my trusted books, so can't comment. A quick look online suggests it is Ayurvedic and may have potential but has only been used for one human study on viral hepatitis, at a much lower dose than what is in this supplement (and one on vitiligo, which is interesting). I use a milk thistle containing supplement (working with a practitioner) and plan to continue. I wonder if perhaps the NAC doesn't suit you - some have problems with it or it could be something like the carrageenan which is most likely in the cellulose capsule. Given that you have had improvements from alcohol and diet changes, it makes sense to stop the supplement and see if the pain that you think it has been causing stops, or not. Maybe the diet was enough and you have 3 months before further testing so you can ask for more advice when you see your specialist then. I use lemon juice too and EV olive oil of course. Best wishes

[Ednoral in reply to bookish]

Thank you for that information, I will keep it in mind. I am also diabetic and on meds for that as well. My liver pain has a number of other causes, I expect. I am going to follow my hepatologists recommendations right now. There are not a lot of doctors out there that understand liver disease, I have found out.

[Alterity]

I have many people tell me to cleanse my liver. They don't understand fatty liver going to Nash is the outside of your liver slowly working its way into the inside. It's not the inside working its way out. I was worst using supplements too Stopped them 3 years ago pain much better.

[MLB_77]

I take a small shot of apple cider vinegar in tart cherry every day. Does anybody have any input on that? I hope it’s a good thing. Been doing it for quite a while.

I also take vitamin e, fish oil, milk thistle and a multi

[bookish in reply to MLB_77]

I hadn't heard of tart cherry, so thank you for that. I use the ACV for digestion, natural vit E, multi and a ton of other stuff, including a milk thistle- containing liver support. So far, so good. Hope it is working for you. Best wishes

[Turnbacktime71]

Im Glad you Don't have NASH. Always Great news.But Honestly, Pains are from the Fatty Liver Disease. Not any trying to Get yourself healthier by cleaning& so on. I Use to have Kidney Disease.Which i was told Incurable. 6 mos I Cured Myself. I got myself on milk thistles and a lot of items and start changing my diet back then. Next time i went to hospital bc i was sick i told them about my kidneys. After all their Different test came back, they said My Kidneys were Healthy!!

I Hadn't been having Anymore pains& problems since in my kidneys. But told them about it so i could see what they had to say. Loved getting it Conformation. Do What You Feel Best at. But as for Me& My Husband, Were Going to be taking some for our Liver as well. From another Specailist who Helped Create it. Bc Honestly: Drs Don't want you to Use Anything to Help heal or cure or Even Almost all the above. If We All Got Better the : Drs, Specailist& Pharmacies Would Lose Sooooo Much $$. Just saying. Im Not the Only one who Believes in All Natural Health care. Best of Luck with the rest of your Journey.

(Ps: Hope you don't mind me being honest with you. Not trying to upset you nor cause Any Problems. Hope you don't get mad at me. If ive upset you, Im Sorry.