TINASPORA CORDIFOLIA (AMRUTA VALLI. GUDUCHI) AND INSULIN PLANT

[ramana42]

I am growing these two plants in my balcony and they are growing nicely but not yet reached a stage that I can harvest the leaves.I am not yet clear about their usage and therefore request you all to share your experiences,in case you are using them,particularly about dosage,frequency etc.

[yenyen]

Don't know what this 'insulin plant' is about. Insulin is a polypeptide which gets digested in the GI tract and will not be absorbed.

[ramana42 Volunteer in reply to yenyen]

Your point is correct that insulin gets digested if you consume it directly.The plant leaves do not contain insulin.They only act as a catalyst to make the pancreas produce more insulin.

[Haldin21 in reply to yenyen]

Try camel milk - the natural insulin in camel milk doesn't get destroyed by stomach acids. There is as much as 31 units of insulin in one liter of camel milk which is why it's routinely used in Saudi & Middle-east to treat T1DM & T2DM. But, outside of India, It's expensive to source. You're right. The name 'insulin plant' is a bit of nonsense. It is not a biological wonder and neither does it contain insulin. It's just antihyperglycemic or glucose-lowering for some people, that is. Hasn't worked on me in the least. BTW. T. Cordifolia, I think, is not the insulin plant that you read about - it is actually a plant related to a ginger species. Looks like 'insulin plant' has now not only acquired a specific-, but also a generic-, name and usage.

[yenyen in reply to Haldin21]

Let us have some references for that. I would like the original publications in reputed journals not whatsApp university and FB college postings.

[yenyen in reply to yenyen]

This is the summary in Pub med :ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

Conclusions

In the current systematic review, the potentially positive effects of camel milk on diabetes mellitus were explored. Data available on experimental research and most of the human studies indicated that camel milk administration can have positive effects on glycemic control, by reducing fasting blood sugar, decreasing insulin resistance, and improving lipid profiles among patients with diabetes. In most studies, the recommended dose of camel milk was 500 mL/day which led to improvement of diabetes markers even after 3 months in patients with diabetes. Moreover, the superiority of camel milk, compared to cow milk was demonstrated in some human studies. Although the high amount of digestion resistant insulin and high level of antioxidants as anti-inflammatory factors are the possible explanation for anti-diabetic effect of camel milk in this review, however, more valid and comprehensive studies are needed to support these findings

JUST READ THE LAST SENTENCE.

[ramana42 Volunteer in reply to yenyen]

Camel milk is not an option,just because camels are not endemic in my part of the country.Thanks for the interest.

[Haldin21 in reply to yenyen]

Thanks for the PubMed stuff. What the so-called science says ultimately doesn't matter as one will always find BOTH sides, one side for and the other against. For every positive study, you'll find a few negative ones too and vice versa. What matters is this : has it positively affected ONE'S BG or not + other health parameters? You'll find that many have reported positive effects - yes, anecdotal evidence, which is why it is used as a traditional first-line therapy. Even if the study you quoted gave 100% results and support, one has still to test it out on one's body by ACTUALLY DRINKING THE MILK and NOT theorizing it endlessly, interminably, thru' better experimental design, etc.

All experimental research have limitations and so are their "conclusions" anyway and there is ALWAYS that [invisible] proviso "OTHER THINGS BEING EQUAL" hanging over every single trial, meaning that it's only an artificially-contrived happening and that there are innumerable VARIABLES operating unseen which is the reason why you pointed out that concluding statement "however, more valid and comprehensive studies ...". Isn't this an admission of experimental limitations, etc.? Which is, point of fact, the researchers' typical way of covering their back****.

As a matter of FACT, a kind friend of mine bought the expensive milk - both powder and liquid form - for me to test it out. Did I get any positive results? NO! Does that give me any justification at all to say that those who did, and do, get +ve results, like the Saudi folks, have made false claims? Definitely not. And there's no need to twirl one's fingers, raised one's brows and waste time wondering and reasoning why.

Meanwhile the trusting folks will, willy-nilly, continue drinking the camel stuff for the great benefits, while the medical researchers are self-importantly busying themselves in their labs and scratching their heads and trying to devise ways of telling these folks what they have already known and practiced from ancient times. Do they need condescending scientists to tell them how to live a happy life?

Oh, these articles might interest you and others.

Defeat Diabetes Foundation : The Raica Community of Rajahstan defeatdiabetes.org/camel-mi...

Drink Camel Milk for Diabetes Control : mendosa.com/blog/?p=3317

[Haldin21]

Lucky you - growing on the balcony? Does it live to its name - I mean the heart-shaped leaves (cordia = heart) ? Kiss and say 'hi' to the lovely herb for me : ) I haven't been able to source it anywhere. Never mind, I've tried to herbal powder [which is commonplace] on a few occasions but it has zero impact on my BG - sad! Go ahead though and don't let my experience discourage you. Always stay positive! I would use half a tsp of the powder in warm/hot water twice a day. Tablets are more convenient of course. I guess you would have to dry the leaves and grind them to powder. Why not infuse a few fresh leaves and drink it like tea? Do post your BG test results as feedback for us here.

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A close relative of mine eats daily two leaves of Tinaspora also known as Guduchi and her sugar levels are under control with out any medicines . But I think the effect is noticeable in the diabetes of recent origin . In case of long standing problem the effect may not be that good . Any way one has to see at least for 3 months . Supplements are not advisable as they contain many ingredients to give color , shelf life and taste .

[ramana42 Volunteer]

I will follow this practice and hopefully,it will have good effect.

[Hidden in reply to ramana42]

They suggest even decoction prepared with small pieces of stem , taken after boiling in 200 ml water and cooling for 5 minutes in case fresh leaves are not available . Leaves kept in fridge and used are not good as they loose the power after some time after plucking .