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Diabetes as a Disease of Fat Toxicity

The “twin vicious cycles” explain how the buildup of fat in the cells of our muscles, liver, and pancreas causes type 2 diabetes, which explains why dietary recommendations for diabetics encourage a reduction in fat intake.

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Absolute. total and utter nonsense. Usual vegan rubbish!

Fat raises fat? Get real.

It takes 1 gram of fat loss and the pancreas kickstarts again. How do you get that gram off? Eat fat, and along with your stellar weight loss comes a reversal of T2. THAT'S how bariatric surgery works for God's sake - your CARBOHYDRATE intake drops like a stone!

Saturated fat DOES raise LDL cholesterol - only it will be large buoyant, not small dense, easily oxidisable.

Get with the program guys or challenge the above, but remember:

Science Doesn't Care What You Believe!

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"Science Doesn't Care What You Believe!"

Very true!

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"Just like eating vegetables doesn't turn you green, eating fat doesn't make you fat."

Very fundamental example!Easy to understand!!

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Is it fundamental example or most foolish example I have heard so far? Ha ha ha....what a comparison? Green vegetables are not meant to turn you green but give you minerals and vitamins with minimum carbs / calories with fibres as well. You can never eat one type of food in any of your meal...like eat only fat or eat only vegetables....or only carbs or only proteins like that....We have to eat variety of foods to get maximum nutrition from different sources. Extreme diets causes imbalance in nutrition and not favored for long term effect. Eat sensibly, follow your likes and dislikes because you need to enjoy food also which is converted into energy. If you dislike food, you won't generate good and positive energy from that.

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There is a difference between "no carb" and "low carb".Again, "high fat" and "only fat" have different meanings.LCHF followers know it better!

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I don't understand the "science" behind calculating calories or grams of carbs for that matter because I believe I will eat only as per how much hungry I am and my body needs it or not or whether I like the food or not. Even my mind knows what type of foods are good and what are bad....so choice of food is also important. Eliminating wheat or carbs for that matter is not the answer for long term sustenance of any diet.

Moreover, given the complex structure of any food item...be it vegetable, beans/pulses, or rice/wheat/oats, it's difficult to weigh everytime we eat to calculate how much carbs/fat/protein we eat in each meal.

Eating when hungry and how much hungry is the signal we need to follow which our mind always tells us.

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Test results tell us better that what is good and what is bad.

Lipid Profile:

Serum Cholesterol:142(150-250)

Triglycerides:72(10-190)

HDL:58.20(30-70)

LDL:69.40(75-150)

VLDL:14.40(5-40)

TC/HDL:2.43

HbA1c:

HbA1c:5.80(Non diabetic <6.0)

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Test results done in lab or at home are not the perfect markers for our health. There is human and equipment errors both. This is I am telling because I am a Pharmacist and have been working initially after graduation in Quality Control Lab....

moreover there are many factors affecting the results as posted by cure before....how certain conditions affect HbA1c results....and it's foolish to totally dwell on lab results.

If you take FBS or PPBS at home by glucometer you have...if you take 3 consecutive readings with 3 different strips....3 different results are obtained even after correct calibration of meter with control solution.

I agree that you need to control carbs in D because we have a problem of carbs metabolism but drinking two teaspoon of VCO or taking stevia drops or reducing carbs to less than 50 g is not an answer to our problem.

If medicines are helping control our disease, there is nothing wrong in taking medicine after all like thyroid hormone replacement is a must. Likewise many conditions need medicine for treatment.

My father had cholesterol though being very thin and refused to take medicine for that....he died just 2 weeks ago ....blood clot was formed and his blood flow in brain totally blocked on one side and partially on other side. I read...that blood clot is formed by high calcium, WBC and cholesterol. He had high calcium too and I warned him not to take multi vitamin powder containing calcium but he didn't listen. His arteries were calcified....he had a massive stroke and his heart and lungs also compromised in the end. No more recent example occurred in my life where "not taking medicine" resulted into death.

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So, what is your point?Do you advocate balanced diet-which is full of carb??

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If you don't understand my point, I doubt yr IQ level...sorry to say! I have clearly written you need to control carbs due to carbs metabolism problem in diabetes but LCHF diet is not the only answer.

Moreover, you didn't understand my point of complex structure of food items where it is difficult to calculate amount of carbs or calories everytime we eat...I don't like to waste my time too much about thinking what and how much I ate. I wish to stay normal being diabetic also.

We just need to have wisdom gained from knowledge we read across and by interaction and knowing our body, we can decide for ourselves how much and what to eat. Period.

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A famous saying- "If you can not tell it simply then you do not know it."

If you are doubting my IQ then nothing is wrong. Because you are appearing as full of doubts.

My doubt lies in-"A man having a good camera need not to be a good photographer."

For your kind information-LCHF followers do not count calories!They have their own way of enjoying foods.

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But LCHF followers do count carbs....is it exact and perfect way of counting? Have you calibrated and validated your counting method? Do you have to write down everytime you eat and weigh everytime you take a serving? How ridiculous that might be? Not normal at all! Trust our instinct, mind and what our body needs or says...that's all I am telling. No doubts whatsoever, if you understand your body.

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But how can you weigh your food serving everytime you eat...it's totally bizarre! :-)

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"A man having a good camera need not to be a good photographer."

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@arunkumar3112

This is a post by me so I respond. But I realize it is a waste of time and energy here in this forum just because of your great LCHF team. They don't allow anybody else to talk over here and speak their opinion or interest.

LCHF is not the only way of life for diabetics. If you wish to recommend it in each and every post you can do it on your dlife site.

I really wish this site is spared from people like you who are too adamant to accept other people's voice or opinions.

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I would wish that this site is sparedof the same old theory of fat bashing which anyways have made people obese by pushing them towards more carbs Ashka9

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Keto or rather lchf is spreading in spite of mis leadingtopics like these

How of these are "low IQS"....?

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Ashka9

@anup et al

50,70 or 100g carbs. One should eat the carbs as much as one can clear from one's blood. Everyone has different capacity to digest carbs. The people with very low bcf may have to take a keto range carbs also. So I don't think we should fight over how much carbs one should take. And everyone has to find out himself/ herself how much carbs he/she can take/digest. Yes. We have to change our diet and seek happiness in what we can eat.

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suryakaizen

I have been reading the exchanges on DI and enjoyed the comments - yours and MikePollard in particular- as much as I found them informative and useful. My daughter 36 was diagnosed with breast cancer 3 months ago, also simultaneously with diabetes T2. I began implementing the LCHF diet 2 months ago. I find that she is losing weight, her blood sugar levels have not spiked that much as they usually do after chemo medications; and her energy levels are fairly high.

Thank you. You have invested so much time and effort in learning about diabetes and people like us are benefiting from it.

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Anup

My comment was addressed to Anup but this is the first time I am writing in so sorry for the error.

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Non sense club

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I welcome you too to make it more non-sense!

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Non sense club

Is better than your NONSENSE. :D

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Hidden

You never report your levels thru lab reports

Only use bad language and are suspicious of others

You are just voicing opinion rather than data or lab report

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Sadistic people

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Today in Times of India paper there is full article on breast cancer ,in which the writer says who is a specialist in oncology that one of the reason is sugar.Cancer thrive in sugar molecule.So Reduce sugar .i.e carb, be happy and healthy. I agree with Aska 9 that initially counting difficult but after standardisation every thing simple.At the same time I express my condolence for her father sad demise.But I have also seen that people so thin also suffer from D2. So CVD or any problem related is definitely not due to fat. Carb is the main culprit,arrest it.Every problem will be over.If you arrest carb then it has to be compensated with SFA (VCO, butter, ghee, cheese etc) .Thanks

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And we do not care your reckless writings, misguiding peoples and damaging theirs health in long run, Non scientific writings,useless peoples.

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If he is "misguiding people" then can you guide?????

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LOL @anup very similar to MikePollard both got some hidden agenda.

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Hijacking of thread always happens in this forum...but look at other side of the same....

Just look on the days when @anup is away from forum there are very less replies....less posts in the forum...

He is strong proponent of LCHF...and many ppl have benefited with his advise...I am one of them...when ever he is here forum is active....

Saying that....everyone will agree there is something beyond LCHF....LCHF is not full stop....LCHF is most wonderful tool to tame diabetes....but we must not stop at this...we should look further....look for more avenues....and for that more open minded discussions should be allowed...

also almost all threads leads to discussions no way related to thread...

This should be avoided....we should be more open minded....and think beyond and for more ways and tools...

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Cure and Rajivrao, anup and his LCHF team

I agree with cure and rajivrao and I request anup and his LCHF team to post their LCHF related posts and explanations at specially made forum for that...healthunlocked.com/lchf

And I really would appreciate a lot if Anup and his LCHF team would allow us some independence to carry out other discussions we are interested in with fruitful results. We need to interact with people having same thoughts and views and not always people interfering in each and every thread with the same old raga of LCHF. We really got tired of such unnecessary posts in the thread started by our posts.

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Ashka9 when that separate community was created by HU..it was me who followed up with admin that LCHF should remain here and discussions should be allowed here in this forum....

I still firm on my stand... but...every thread should not lead to LCHF....

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He had started his own website some years back, on lchf diet with very fanfare,which collapsed in few months time as there was little response to it,and he again rejoined this site for boring,putting unscientific and self propagated ideas

One question if he was so knowledgeable persons of diabetes, why he could not stop himself from becoming diabetics.? Now lecturing peoples as a saint to control diabetes. Did he gained knowledge after becoming diabetic?

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Hidden yes....he got knowledge after becoming diabetic...nothing wrong in it....so what?? he is imparting his knowledge and many ppl are getting benefited...

About his site....the site is doing really fine with very good traffic...

He is really a very good man...with really great knowledge about diabetes...he is helping to many diabetics... only thing he is very passionate about his findings about LCHF...so sometimes others feel bad about the same...

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cure

Being passionate doesn't mean he and his team should force people on this forum to go his way of treatment for diabetes. He should understand that he can't convince all people to go his way of LCHF due to any reason.

Anup might be very good in his own way but interfering in each and every post and making it all LCHF everytime thinking people will ultimately follow his way of diet is something very intruding on his part.

People have their own thinking and he should respect other people's wishes, views, opinions also...but he and his team totally fails in that. Passion is to follow one's own dreams and wishes and not to force others.

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ok....may i say over passionate???

Actually he is really excited about what he found....and a novel way to control diabetes ...

So may be he is recommending same to everyone.... try to understand his feelings....

भावनाओ को समझो

Ofcoz it is bad that each and every thread should lead to LCHF....

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I am sorry to say cure, anup is not only recommending but trying to force people into useless and same old discussions of LCHF though he knows that particular person doesn't want to follow LCHF diet.

I am in no way a friend or an acquaintance even of Mr. Anup or any of his team members, so no emotions involved.

By the way "I DON'T HAVE ANY FEELINGS FOR LCHF DIET":-)

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hmmmmmmm

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Useless is the topic of yours

Pl stop calling others useless or doubting IQs

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वो लोग सच्चे होतें हैं जिन्हें गुस्सा आता है,

मैंने झूठो को अक्सर मुस्कराते देखा है!

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kya bat kahi hai.....bilkul sone jaisi khari bat....

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Anup ji has helped me too without any self interest and I am thankful to him all the time.

If people find it difficult to accept him then nothing is wrong as people first check purity of gold and then they accept it.But coal is accepted without any test.And he is gold!

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गिरना भी अच्छा है , औकात का पता चलता है ....

बढ़ते हैं जब हाथ उठाने को … अपनों का पता चलता है !

सीख रहा हूँ मैं, अब भी इंसानों को पढ़ने का हुनर,

सुना है चेहरे पर, किताबों से ज्यादा लिखा होता है...

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Great!

बढाकर हाथ सम्भाल लेते है जो गिरतों को,

दुनिया की भीड़ में वो दोस्त अज़ीज़ होतें है!

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कुछ सही तो कुछ खराब कहते हैं,

लोग हमें बिगड़ा हुआ नवाब कहते हैं,

हम तो बदनाम हुए कुछ इस कदर,

की पानी भी पियें तो लोग शराब कहते हैं…!!

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He he he ........

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ऐसा नही है कि मुझमे कोई ‘ऐब’ नही है..

पर सच कहता हूँ मुझमें ‘फरेब’ नहीं है ..!

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बस कर भाई ,अब रुलाएगा क्या ?

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"He is really a very good man...with really great knowledge about diabetes...he is helping to many diabetics... "

Yes,it is truth!

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Sign in dlife.in to know about this website and to learn diabetes management!

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Attention seekers can not help other and they do not want you to do the same.When you guide new comers about diet then they say you are perching LC**.They talk about big words such as co-ordination,co-operation,ethics, norms etc and on the ground they work against it.

Helping other without self interest requires knowledge as well as a big heart and an open mind as you have.

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Some people in this forum need to open their small mind instead of their big mouth.

They must know-"It takes a lot to become an Anup Singh!"

None of them has helped me in bringing down my HbA1c to 5.8 from 8.12.He is Anup Ji and his LC** team who saved me.

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These people are allergic to Anup Ji ,LC** and LC** followers without any genuine reason.

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Definitely,if these people get failed in changing their attitude then here will be silence only.

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They have no answers to my queries,and continued posting irrelevant topics,to hide theirs in competencies.

Tomorrow they will becomes expert in treating HIV/AIDS/CANCERS,etc.etc.after they are/will be infected by these diseases..as they have becomes Diabetic controlling experts.without any genuine knowledge.

Jai ho.

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I had already written,regarding BIS,ISO, if you are unable to cope it with,it is fault of your I.Q.By the way consult some old English literature written by some qualified authors,and not depend wholly on google,which cannot be 100%correct.

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Test reports vary from lab to lab,do you want to average theirs results

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I am really surprised recently when my father's blood tests showed elevated cholesterol levels when done by thyrocare 9 months ago. He was not taking any medication for that. Now, when he was admitted to hospital after massive stroke, when blood tests done again by most reliable Toprani Lab in our city, cholesterol levels were normal. Is that possible? How can we rely on lab so much then?

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They have no reply for this,and again posting/repeating irrelevant blogs,without any genuine cause.

Many components in biological matrix influence the result of an analysis,affecting assay sensitivity and reproductibility. Improved matrix managements becomes critical as requirements for higher assay sensitivity and increased ------refer to---

Journal of the Association for laboratory Automation

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