Banana republic

[FayazNawchoo]

Indian population got diabetes because of adultered food. From fruits to vegetables everything is adultered. No checks from government.

[MikePollard]

Noooo it didn't!

It's because you as a populace , like us here in the west, have been subjected to the Standard American Diet (SAD; and it is!) and been taught natural fats were bad and refined carbohydrate and sugar is good.

Suggest you expand your horizons!

[cure Administrator in reply to MikePollard]

MikePollard

You really say some very good lines....

Suggest you expand your horizons!

Thanx for the line

[cure Administrator]

Hmmm.....and what about China??? USA????

You mean no checks even at USA???

To me reason is high population...and to feed this huge population they were forced to introduce modified grains.

And these modified grains are creating problems.

Should we blame Indian Government for introduction of varieties which are pest resistant and with more yield???Should we blame them for saving us from hunger??

[Shailp]

Food adulteration causes health issues but to the best of my knowledge there is no (credible) research that links it to diabetes. Genetically Modified (GMO) foods have been under the gun for a while now and there is a lot of controversy around them. Earlier this week I was listening to an interview on NPR. The interviewee was a scientist who has conducted research on the GMO foods for as long as they have been around. He faced plenty of hurdles from the industry especially those who feared his research was a smoking gun and he would end up painting a totally ugly picture about GMOs. His conclusion was they are safe to consume as a food so the benefits of being pest resistant etc are valid benefits. The claims of being able to double/ triple production because of modifications are false because GMOs don't essentially have that ability. And yes something out of the box has to be done to care for the rising population and to avoid starvation.

Back to the original discussion -- for as long as I have remembered diabetes has been nicknamed as श्रीमंतिचा रोग (a disease of affluence) in Marathi and it is aptly so. It has to do with the lifestyle and eating habits of the people. It is easy to pass on the blame to someone but it does not eliminate the problem. Also one needs to look closely (and objectively) at the facts without getting carried away by one's personal biases about USDA, FDA, UK FDA, Indian FDA, Medical professionals and pharma. I agree with Mr Anup and MikePollard that doctors need to look at diabetes as a condition that can be kept in check going forward once the BS levels are brought under control (as opposed to treating it as a degenerative condition)

The discussion at hand pertains to "causes of diabetes".

The old and new USDA food plate did not and does not advocate consumption of typical fast food items which are loaded with carbs (potatoes, breads etc), bad fats (deep fried foods) and meats. In fact most people don't seek doctors advice about diet until they are diagnosed to be pre-diabetics or diabetics. And why blame it on American or western food culture, the globalization is bound to bring "western things" to the eastern hemisphere. India and other parts of the world should take responsibility for their own (over) indulgence in food. As such the Indian culture is very high and heavy on carbs, and fats. A good balance of carb-fat-proteins is necessary and the problem in India is much higher amounts of carb or much higher carbs along with much higher fats as well.

I remember that growing up Diwali was really the only time when we had so many sweets and savory snacks made and available at one time. All other times sweets would really be occasional, as would deep fried things etc. Consuming 10gm of pure ghee (or virgin coconut oil) versus 10gm of fat by virtue of eating something deep fried don't have the same effect on the body. The former has a positive effect (assuming it is not accompanied by large amounts of simple carbs), the later will result in all the bad things fats are said to do. It is important to highlight these type of differences and raise awareness among the masses about good/ bad fats.

India has not gotten richer than it used to be but the eating habits have changed. The disease of affluence does not imply a higher disposable income but rather rich foods like sugar and fats combined. People led a much more active life than they do now. Throw in increased stress levels into the mix. All together it is a recipe for diabetes.

[karch in reply to Shailp]

wah ..wah...good flow in reply

[cure Administrator]

Great....@shailp

I agree with all ur points.

But question remains why there is suden increase of diabetes in India?

Is it due to modified life style? Or modified grains?or modified oils?

Debate will go on.

Problem is with treatment..... The right approach is to cut down carbs.

Keep patient on minimum medicines... But doctors are doing exactly opposite.

[pravinjadhav]

True

[Rakesh]

I think one important point which we are missing is the heredity or genetic effect on diabetes In South Asian region the race itself is highly susceptible to diabetes. In addition sedentary lifestyle and food habits further aggrevate the issue. It is well known fact that if one of your parents or grandparents are diabetic you have high risk of being diabetic. Therefore sometimes whatever you to do you can not reduce blood sugar without medicines and insulin. Yes I do agree with Anup that LCHF diet will help in reducing BS levels in diabetics but still a large percentage even after following LCHF may still require medicines or insulin. This is not to undermine the role of LCHF diet in reducing BS levels but still there are may be some cases which have been diabetic for quite long and or have heredity of diabetes in family may still require mdicines/ insulin. I hope the members will take my views in its right earnest

[suramo Star in reply to Rakesh]

Yes rakesh

our genes are weakening. There is a surge in many diseases. The incidences of hypothyroidism, impotence, infertility, obesity are increasing. Party due to modern diagnostic advances, partly due to life style changes and dwindling expression by genes. Even total no of expressive genes have decreased. Wars had many disadvantages but wars allowed a lot of transfer of genetic materials amongst various races. And the nature by virtue drops or suppresses expression of weak genes in presence of strong genes. Intercast, inter racial and intercontinental marriges have advantage that genetically strong generations are produced. We indians are bound by caste system so strongly that new genes never entered our bodies. May be that is one of the disadvantages that we develop so many gene based diseases.

[Rakesh]

Further to my post I would like to mention that human body is complex and every human being is different. Even sometimes one line of tratment which works on one may not work on another even though all symptoms are same.

[rambhani]

sorry sir,

I don"t agree with you to a certain extent. Even though, we had highfat food in early India, the people were also equally hard working. Like, the undersigned, used to walk or cycle to my school,college and Engineering college, which used to range from 2 to 5kms. To day, everybody, wants to travel by Two/Four wheelers, and do not do any physical activity. If anybody can throw some light, I would like to know the latest results of Diabetes incidence between the Urban and Rural Populace.

[suramo Star in reply to rambhani]

There are many people who work hard yet have diabetes. Hard work probably don't prevent diabetes from developing. But it burns sugars so can to some extent prevent complications of diabetes

[Hidden]

There is not much difference in diabetes in urban or in rural India, Some eastern part population of India is more vulnerable, yes peoples form Bihar,Utter Pradesh ,Rajas than have less diabetic population due to more hard working nature as compared to other parts.

Other reasons have been given by learned bloggers,hence no need of repetition here.

[karch in reply to Hidden]

where people grow sugar canes and are vegetarian ...I feel those villages have more diabetics

[cure Administrator]

here is one study about Diabetes in India.

medind.nic.in/haa/t09/i1/ha...

The study showed that the age standardized

prevalence of type 2 diabetes was 12.1%. The

prevalence was the highest in Hyderabad (16.6%),

followed by Chennai (13.5%), Bengaluru (12.4%),

Kolkatta (11.7%), New Delhi (11.6%) and Mumbai

(9.3%). The NUDS results also indicate that the

prevalence of impaired glucose tolerance (IGT) was

higher than that of type 2 diabetes in four out of six

cities studied (80). The prevalence of IGT was

16.8% in Chennai, 14.9% in Bengaluru (formerly

Bangalore), 29.8% in Hyderabad, 10% in Kolkatta,

10.8% in Mumbai and 8.6% in New Delhi [10]. Today,

the prevalence of diabetes in the urban metros of

India is approaching the figures reported in the

affluent migrant Indians.

[suramo Star]

Anup

you said it right but let's consider this. We. In india at present 62 million diabetics. That comes to around 7.1% of indian adult population. We all eat more or less the same high carb diet. But we only 7% can't metabolise carbs. Rest 93% have no problem. So our system is at fault. There have to be other factors than high carbs which make us diabetics. We have to find and address them.

[suramo Star]

Anup

i don't deny that the high carb is the culprit. I fully agree with you but that can't be only factor. 25%:Of the population having diabetes is highly speculative. I have seen people eating voraciously. Very high carbs and high calorie diet too. I have seen many people devouring 25 or more gulab jamunS aur rasgullas.

[suramo Star]

Anup

the question still remains unanswered that why lipids - cholesterol, ldl and triglyceride stick to the arterial walls that too more specifically to coronaries. What are the factors that promote such atherosclerosis formation and narrowing of specific arteries only.

I differ on calorie counting. If we take more calories than required the excess calories get deposited as fat. If we want to burn this fat we have to take less calories and /or consume more. This is like if we earn more than our monthly expenses we have to deposit our extra earnings into bank like fat. But if we want to spend from bank deposits we have to earn less and /or spend more. Although this is not as simple in case of our body because if we eat less our body switches to "starvation mode " except when we are on lchf diet. I'd suggest a calorie deficit diet to get rid of fat from our body. As we know many dietitians advocate prolonged or 16x8 fasting - IF. I'm surely in favor of ketogenic diet

[jingale]

How about non ketogenic LCHF diet(60:20:20)? Does one gain if he consumes more calories than needed? My own experience is, no.

[suramo Star]

😄😄😄 Anup

Nature has a mechanism of self cleansing. If this mechanism is disrupted badly then only vessels clogs. The delicate and perfect mechanism of balance and counter balance that nature has man can't create. Heart starts working soon after conception say right from the 5th week of conception till we are alive without rest and servicing. Can you imagine man making such pumps ? Or a very delicate hormonal balance we have every moment of our life. Even when we are sleeping these mechanisms work. If blood glucose is high insulin is there and when blood sugar drops cortisol, gh, adrenaline etc come into play without our knowledge. Our stomach secrets such a strong hcl that it can melt iron sheet but not our stomach. So our body has everything to protect itself.

[jingale]

Do people actually switch to LCHF to gain weight?

[jingale]

Intermittent fasting is very effective in getting the residual insulin levels down.

BTW, did you lose any visceral fat during your recent keto trials?

[cure Administrator in reply to jingale]

Anupjee is real ' Hathyogi'..... After 5 years on LCHF....I think all his visceral fat must have vanished long back....

But just curious... Anupjee have u ever done liver scan?

[ShooterGeorge]

On water pipelines bends are 90 degree turns, usually. Do our blood vessels have 90 degree turns to necessitate reinforcement?

[suramo Star]

Anup

Our health system is run by fools and frustrated people intetested in earning money only. Not talking of doctors but the govt officials. Now every pregnant lady is screened for thalassemia as if thalassemia is the biggest threat to the society. In Govt programs it's free and compulsary. Meetings of doctors and paramedical professionals are held to bring awareness about thalassemia. Each doctor is personally visited and included in the thalassemia control programs.

We should have a medical system whereby everyone has to undergo medical check ups. But i don't think these inept poloticians and beurocrats will do anything.

[suramo Star]

Anup

our body has anti clotting, clotting and clot dissolving systems running simultaneously.

Anti clotting- to keep the blood in fluid state or we will be dead.

Clotting- because a constant wear and tear is going inside our body. Every moment a very fragile blood vessel in our tissues rupture. To seal them clotting is needed.

Clot dissolving- now those damaged blood vessels can't remain blocked for ever or the parts supplied by them would die. So as soon as the clots form the damage or the leak is sealed and rest of the soft clot get dissolved before it gets organized.

When we humans will find such miraculous techniques our pipe lines will not choke.

[suramo Star]

Yes

the nature also has made provisions so that we do not become immortal.

[suramo Star]

Anup

only administrative wing can creat a system. We lack determination. Our people are also equally guilty. How can such a big number of quacks can survive if the people don't support them. But if the system is created these quacks and illiterate practitioners will be out. It's all very gloomy scenario. It's very frustrating to know that even economically sound people go to quacks despite fully knowing their capacity. People even get operated by these ?? 🙈🙉🙊

[ShooterGeorge]

I said "u s u a l l y"; I did not say "always". As the angle reduces, so does the extra loading on walls. Does the "simple fluid dynamics rules" not say this?