Can there be an ideal and universally accepted diet for diabetes specially type 2.

[patliputra]

There are many different diet plans all claiming with scientific data that theirs plan is best. So which plan to follow?

[atma]

yes,millions of people following LCHF diet got huge benefit all around the world including this beggar. It is a proven diet. people says lot of diet like bindi juice etc. lchf diet is proven universally and it is working. proof of podding is in eating not seeing!!!!!!

[imbu2008 in reply to atma]

Please give a typical Sample Vegetarian Diet under LCHF..!

[patliputra in reply to atma]

Can you give a little detail of diet plan you suggest.

[patliputra]

As usual your interpretation is full of wisdom. But before an ideal diet is suggested,a criterion has to be there. So what an objective of an ideal diet should be ? Only on the this basis we try to judge whether a diet full fills those requirements to be credited as an ideal diet.

[atma]

SIMPLE" VEGTITARIAN LOW CARB HIGH FAT DIET". I have given before also my meals.

[patliputra]

Can you quantify what is low carb and what is high fat ?

[Hidden in reply to patliputra]

As per LCHF diet carb 20% protein 20 % and fat 60 % further some ofthem says it is less than 100 gms carb In my personnel opinion is low carb is good it is 30- 40 % and remaining 30 % each It is possible for Pure vegitarians otherwise less than 100 gms carb is only suitable for Non vegitarains as the meat and eggs have very very low in carb their maximum food is eggandmeat Lowercarb diet is good as it helps immediately the lower blood glucose and similarily reduces the fat portion of the body. Thanks

[patliputra in reply to Hidden]

I agree that low carb is good,but question is how much low is low. If someone says 20% then how it has been calculated and logic or scientific reason behind it. There must be some thinking,but no body explains or may be just it is a fan following.

[Hidden in reply to patliputra]

Raw item taken for count calories for example My diet plan i furnish diet details in carb protein and fat also with calories. Further full details and link may be given by experts in LCHF sri KPCL He may having idea My diet plan and calorie is found in Kannada book written by old Doctor cum writer . If u know kannada and if u give your email I may send to u because I am not much knowledge in computer and not possible to down load here. Thanks

[patliputra in reply to Hidden]

So sorry, I do not know Kannada. Detail explanation has been asked by several persons many times,but no one ever came up with any explanation . There are no experts, only followers.

[kcpl in reply to patliputra]

It has been given on your last post. Check post of user anup and you will find answers posted more then a year back

[patliputra in reply to kcpl]

If you know it explain in detail, otherwise no use referring to very old posts.

[kcpl in reply to patliputra]

Repeating same thing you can do and i cannot. No point discussing if you cannot search.

[kcpl in reply to Hidden]

If you take 30% carbs it is Def not LCHF. Eating high fat on such a carb and protein will only harm

[patliputra]

There is total agreement that an ideal diet should be a balanced one. But same balanced diet may not be exactly the ideal for a diebetic. So the diet will be a bit different for a normal and diabetic person. So what diet should be ideal for a HYPERGLYCEMIC person whether he is obese or not.

[Hidden]

Agreed Diabetic there is no fixed diet plan Doctors and specialists alsosays that whatever other people u may ate but in minimum quality that means u may take limit ortions of grains and pulses and take maximum portions from vegitables and fruits until your satisfaction. the persons must adjust his dialy in take as this way As Doctors and Nutrionists informed that The persons must eat 30 calories perhis kg body wt. But this is old theory that time the peoples were most work mard or medium but now it is computer season even most ofallhouses doing houseworks throughlabourers. Whencomparing to lden days now the daily food required may be calculated as 25 calories of the persons if he reduced it he may take 20 calories per kg as his wt. Thanks

[patliputra in reply to Hidden]

Let us forget for the time being about the calories . There appears to be some contradiction in your statement. You wrote limit grains,meaning reduce carb,at the same time you also wrote eat fruits as much as you like. Fruits are rich source of carb. So isn't it a contradiction? I just want to clarify things.

[Hidden in reply to patliputra]

of course fruits also contain carb but it contain less carb comparing to grains. Whatever we consume it must be limited quantity here diabeties pesons consume less apple and grape and pappaya but ate sufficient

quantity of orange musumbi blac berries etc and avoid banana sapota and other high sweet fruits.. My self consume apple less than 50 gms pomagranite small one 1/3rd portion it is also less than 40 gms and pappaya it is 40 gms approximate. ofcourse this is my personnel

Generaly it is not possible to consume more fruits like Rice chappathi roti egss and meat. The moisture contained in the fruits satisfies the body This is general in all persons exceptionalcase also it may be very less Thanks

[patliputra in reply to Hidden]

I am impressed with your frankness. You have adjusted your diet as per your own plan which is working well for you. It is what every body should do.

[kcpl in reply to Hidden]

You are still taking pancreas whipping drug which not many would want to take. iirc your BP still runs high

[kcpl]

LCHF diet is time tested for diabetes management. It also lowers BP and fixes lipids

[Hidden in reply to kcpl]

Generaly Grains contain heavy carbohydrates that is why low carb diet is good heavy crb contained food items to be taken limit quantity is good for BS persons similarily packed items like oats and company items like kellogs biscuits and other food stuffs which have high carb and also high essence and preservarivs and sodium This is also bad for health particularlyfor Diabetic persons. Thanks

[patliputra]

Wrong reference, open to members only. Why avoid discussing in this forum ?

[kcpl in reply to patliputra]

Even this forum is open for members only.

[patliputra]

No diabetic diet is time tested and / or accepted . Otherwise no adv. for particular diet would have been necessary.

[kcpl]

If you believe your family doctor then LCHF is not for you.

[Hidden in reply to kcpl]

It is most important we must believe sincerely our Family Doctors who treated when and there avilabality he hold good our nature of body and he knows suitable medicine which is tolerable.

further any complication raises no any blog owners or members or any other should not help U If u believe in your blog members Please share ur contact and original address name and personnel data if necessity they may be helped

It should be noted Diabeties is not a diseass but disorder of the blood

for controling diabeties we must knw the following things.

1 70 % Diet and nature of our activity excercise walking whether active ormoderarate active or sedentary like eating sleeping etc.

2 20 % our medicine strictly maintained according to Doctors advise.

3 10 % it depend upon heriditary and how we controlled diabeties in previous years any complicated problems raises either strictly or neglecting etc Thanks

[ShooterGeorge]

In my opinion Long Wheat Mash Diet Regimen (LWMDR) is THE answer to your question.

Modus operandi

In order to obtain initial conditions, get FBS, PPBS, HbA1C, Serum Insulin & C-Peptide tests done before starting.

Facilitate required (optimum-NOT maximum) rest to pancreas by TOTALLY AVOIDING sweet intake; avoid fruits as well till getting CURED. Avoid Maida flour, softened with Alloxan as it destroys Beta cells of Pancreas.

Substitute break fast and dinner by long-wheat kanji (porridge/mash) with a pinch of salt as required and curries (hot/sour side dishes - with no sweet, no starchy vegetables). CONTINUE LUNCH AS IT IS (with restrictions on oil, fat, starchy vegetables like potato, tapioca etc & sweet). Take all the three meals stomach full. As body extracts micro medicine from LWM, intake is to be equispaced & voluminous; hence LWM swapped with staple part of breakfast & dinner.

Reduce food intake-frequency by postponing &/or combining and filling the gaps with plain water, buttermilk, fresh lime juice without sugar, vegetable salads etc. Most of the root-vegetables are rich in starch; HENCE AVOID.

May eat or drink more if number of intakes is three (3) or less including refreshments (snacks, tea, coffee, cool drinks etc.) in a day. Reduce oil & fat intake.

Brisk, medium or at least normal walk preferably for an hour daily.

Caution

Buy & use only unbroken long-wheat lest you should be cheated.

If blood sugar does not start decreasing in a month, avoid smoking & liquor if you are in the habit of having them.

Monitor blood sugar regularly - PPBS weekly, FBS at least monthly & HbA1C quarterly.

If already on tab. or insulin inj. one must continue those & monitor blood sugar more frequently, preferably daily, at least for a week. Else one may slip into low blood sugar problem (hypoglycaemia). As the FBS approach (not reach) lower limit (70 mg/dL or 3.89 mmol/L), reduce medication in small quantity (taper down) either in consultation with your medical adviser or based on your judgement in consultation with me. Continue tapering down medicines till doses reach zero. Continue LWMDR till confirming cure by FBS, PPBS, HbA1c, OGTT, Serum Insulin & C-peptide tests after being ON NORMAL DIET for a few weeks.

Neglecting any of the above eight points (four of modus operandi and four of caution) is similar to removing one of the legs of a table. More details are at appropedia.org/Diabetes_mel...

[patliputra in reply to ShooterGeorge]

Though I have given the scientific name as well as written about physiological basis for action of long wheat (anti diabetic property),the exact reason why and how this happens is not clearly understood. So it is too early to reach any positive conclusion.

[ShooterGeorge in reply to patliputra]

Thank you @patliputra for your noble efforts.

I remember the explanations you provided. It is heartening to note that more persons are realising the ability of Long-wheat to handle Diabetes. More experiences & studies only will lead to sufficient data to enable firm conclusions. Hope that your line of thinking be the right one.

I see two distinct questions.

Q1. Do LWMDR have any positive role in handling Diabetes?

Off late more & more patients are reporting that answer to this question is "yes".

Q2. In that case of answer to Q1 being "yes", why and how does this (Long-wheat handling Diabetes) happen?

Even though answer to Q2 is not at hand, there are two options - not to choose from, but to follow.

1. Let more diabetics follow LWMDR and reconfirm the answer to Q1.

2. Try to draw the attention of related experts (like those in biochemistry, organic chemistry, medicine etc) to the answer of Q1 & the need/opportunity to get answer to Q2.

Once again thank you @patliputra for your noble efforts .

[ShooterGeorge]

Our body produce result based on what we eat & drink; not based on what we hear or tell. Calorie counting really makes sense; only problem is that most of the people find it impractical to follow.

[Hidden]

A diabetic has not come from a different planet or does not belong to a different species .The same food can be taken as the other family members but in reduced quantities .