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LCHF diet ,wild thoughts, after following it for seven months,based on my own personal experience.It is not a scientific research paper.

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Most of diabetic people are desperate to get rid of it or at least minimise the medication and get relief from any complication, if they have any.In order to achieve that goal,they are always looking for some thing new.

LCHF diet plan came as a boon to many,as many claimed immediate lowering of blood sugar,quickly coming within normal or acceptable range.(Please no controversy ).Feeling of general well being and over all improvement of health and stamina.

But many were skeptical as with any new idea.So was I.So I stated a study of the subject,studied very seriously debating every point including positive, negative aspects.It took me from insulin to metabolism of carb.,fat.protein and many other things.So theoretically LCHF has very strong case well backed by extensive long term researches.

So I decided to give it a try.I am a diebetic of more than 30 yrs.and on insulin more than 25 yrs.My bs had gone hay wares and A1C has gone from 6.4 to 7.4.

It is now 7months that I am continuing with LCHF,following it strictly.But lo and behold my blood sugar instead of coming down ,went up.I was continuing my medication as usual.There was also marginal rise inA1C,7.5.At one time it always remained above200.Since last 15days I have started to increase the dose of insulin,and blood sugar has gradually come down, almost within acceptable range.

Now wild thoughts started to cloud in my mind.

(1) As per reports from fellow members who benefit from LCHF, it appears that this plan is most effect when duration of diabetes is short, and age group is comparatively younger.

(2) People who are on no medication or minimum medication ,responded quickly and positively.

(3) Very old diabetics and those on insulin since long respond very slowly and some times sluggishly.

(4) in nut shell shorter the duration of diabetes,minimum the medication and younger the age ,quicker,better and effective the response.

Please note that is is entirely personal view and every body has right to disagree with it.BUT my request is to give some serious thought to it .

NOTE--May be people with cardiac complication also respond very slowly.

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atma profile image
atma

Ofcourse diet and medication works in different people different ways. But where i came from the website -diabeticsform.com their are at least thousands of people who take insulin injection and their hbic, fasting and pp is well under control just by lchf diet. who are diabetic for more than 30 years like you. just join and see diabetesforum.com/. Each user their given their reading on the left side of their id. Even d medication will not work for some people. what can we do that. but as far as my study. it worked 99 % people. May be your carb intake is more than 100grms. for example i was consuming tomato. thought is low carb. when i found yesterday i was amassed it is same as fruit in terms of calories.

this is purly my view.

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patliputra in reply toatma

I once wanted to join that forum.You will find that latest researches quoted there many times differ from the views expounded on this forum.It will again create controversy.

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patliputra

If you eat tomato raw it has much less sugar than when it is cooked.

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patliputra

The point is not about me.There are 150+ LCHF beneficiaries in this forum?Can they be requested to share their age, duration of diabetes and any medication?It will prove or disprove for ever whether my thoughts are simply figments of imagination or it has any substance .

It is human psychology ,we try to hide our failures, at the same time high light our successes.

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sonu1196 in reply topatliputra

its true lchf will reduce both sugar level and cholesterole

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atma

dear pataliputra sir,

If you share your food then expert people will find out where you are gone wrong in the diet. sir carb is danger for diabetics. If you want to really get help on diet. you have to give all the food you are consuming. you cannot say that i am on lchf for 7 months. what food are you consuming. how much fat,carb,protin, and calories you have taken. or just you reduced the carb only. please specify i also want to know your story. we are d people we will help one another. Just your comment on lchf make so many new people confused. so many peoples d should have been cured will not happen. like me medfee and 150+ people on the forum.

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patliputra in reply toatma

Dear Atma,tell me did you find in any of my posts that I have spoken against LCHF or even questioned its validity.It is a question of perception.How you take my post and how you interpret it.You must have noticed that I have not said that I have stopped eating LCHF.I am experimenting with myself.There may be some factors which cause delay in effect.I have tried 2 roti weighed 40 gm. And 50 gm of home made full cream dahi and ppbs shooting 170 with all medication,but I am still continuing with it.So nothing to oppose.

As I said how you perceive the post,the important point was was what I deduced from mails on this forum is right or wrong.but instead of focussing on the main issue irrelevant point has become the bone of contention.

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It is not that I have any problem about sharing my diet,as a matter of fact I have already done it a few months back.I will do it again,

A few from every age group must have benefitted,but again what percentage and which not only age group but also duration of diabetes etc benefitted.

I always find that there in inherent reticiance towards doing some thing concrete and purpose full.

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patliputra

Agreed.But have faith in the honesty of writer.

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Why not make a compilation of data,that will be more useful.Of course remembering many names is very difficult.

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atma

pataliputra sir

what i was trying to say is some people take roti,rice,dal,fruits like banana and dry fruits like dates and they say that their carb is under 100 and following lchf and blaming lchf for that. so i surprised about that.if at all i hurt you please forgive my offence.

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patliputra in reply toatma

No you have not hurt me, I am always touched by ones desire to help.I know the whole purpose is to help me and get back to normalcy.I am touched and feel obliged.

You want to know my story.I tell you a month or so back I was hospitalised in Asian Heart Institute, Mumbai.The diet they provided was full of carb.So I asked for dietician .Three young ladies came, they all were dieticians.I asked them ,can they calculate my daily cal. Requirement,which they did,1800-2000.ok

Now I asked to calculate cal. Of lunch which was just served.They failed .I had to show them how to calculate and showed them the provided daily contains about 3200 cal.

O test I started to ask about LCHF ,non has ever heard of it,they even did not know about diff. types of diet.

I gave complete an hour lecture on LCHF.I hope you understand my point.

Note - by calculation I also showed them that diet contains 80% of carb.

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patliputra

Dear one, why this defeatist attitude.Voluntary service is not about making money.Resources are in front of you and time is in your hands and you are a man of immense energy .Just focus and you are over the bar.

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patliputra

Again mis interpretation.By the way you are one person or a name representing a particular group of persons.Oh! Please don't say I am mis reading the word "WE".

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atma

Medfree,

Thousands of doctors are nothing in front of your diabetic knowledge and a mind to help humanity. Instead you are getting blasphemy,scolding,beating with words still you help people that is really appreciable. You are really a saint a true warrior. good luck to your endeavor. please see their are good and open minded people always support your good endeavor for a medicine free doctor free D world. This is the world for doing good get beaten up. whether it is Jesus Christ, mera or Gandhi they all get is this. Good luck sir.

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patliputra in reply toatma

Knowledge is not the domain of few.

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sonu1196 in reply topatliputra

pataliputra why are zealous of medfree?

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patliputra in reply tosonu1196

Can you elaborate ,what is jealousy.Romantic,sexual or otherwise?

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avrs in reply toatma

Good luck to Medfree

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chotusa in reply toatma

So very true. Keep up the good work...

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atma

Sir if you reduce carb less than 100gram for 3 months sincerely and see how you will get benefit. your glucometer will tell you. and you yourself will feel nice.

good luck and prayers for you sir,

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patliputra

There is neither any need nor I wish to go to profile page.

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patliputra

Still you failed to get my point.I am competent enough to calculate my carb, fat and protein.Like I said earlier have faith in the writer.There is an old saying do not think yourself so honest that all others look dis honest to you.

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atma in reply topatliputra

Thank you sir for your suggestion.

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patliputra

Logical reasoning to arrive at a conclusion when there is complete lack of clear information,must be part of your training.It is when you start supposing like factor X.Many a times you find a correct solution,but several times inference is not correct.If that happens do they get beaten in your institution?

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patliputra

I will not stretch the discussion by explaining the logic,here I will call it pointers,how I arrived at that particular conclusion.

Coming to the thread I have purposefully omitted my diet as I was not talking about me. It was all about my thoughts (observations).An attempt has been made to wander in un chartered area.It was my impression that intelligent people very quickly get to the core of the matter.But it got diverted towards no issue.no worries,(Man proposes, GOD disposes.

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patliputra

Wrong conclusion.Bottom line is "Unchee dukaan,Pheeki pakwan". Living example in front of me.

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patliputra

Image is always yours.Btw, your answers have become very predictable.

If an object ,even if elastic, it has got a breaking point.You know about it more than me.I am not an engineer.

You said you don't have time , then why waste it on useless discussion,not related to diabetes, even remotely.

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patliputra

I never poked anybody.You took things upon yourself.And there is no hallucination because it appears that we are mirror image of each other.

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sonu1196 in reply topatliputra

pataliputra u don,t have any other work to do ? why started fight with medfree? if u don,t have faith in lchf there no need to follow it. finished. u too medfree stop elaborating every thing.

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patliputra

Enjoy TV.But your behaviour as I always suspected was and is childish.Just like a child who throws a stone in some ones house, and runs away immediately lest some one may catch him.

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patliputra

Before passing any comment and/or judgement,please try to understand what is written in that post.Please also take time out to read all my responses for this post.Even then for your convenience ,I am repeating it in bold letters,IT IS NOT ABOUT me.Please try to grasp the central theme of the subject .

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There was no attempt to hide any thing.Effort was directing towards main issue,if any body still understand it.Every body was

bent upon making non issue a most important point.this rigid and

concert rated attempt has Nwetons first law working.

My diet detail which is nothing was kept for another post with

something more.

I am not going to oblige any body if force is applied to me.

Please do not stretch it.It is just like storm in a tea cup.

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yukon

So I'm having to butt in here(my first post BTW) but the only thing I can say is evidence of LCHF is clear. No doubt it works. Whether there is deficiency in eating low carb or not, only you can judge yourself. Nobody else can and nobody else will, after all, it is YOUR body. Who cares what you do with it? Especially, anybody on this forum. Why hold them responsible for YOUR failure to understand what to eat, what you eat and what you want to eat?

If you have success with a low-carb, well and good, don't have success, search elsewhere and eat that way. Why shoot the messenger if you are not happy with the results?

LCHF is nothing new and is better documented on hundreds of websites. It is good for diabetics(however, keto diet is best) if they'd like to control their sugar without medication(or less of it). Everybody's physiology is different.

In the end, whether you blame somebody else for your lack of progress on this lifestyle, you are the one who has diabetes and you are suffering.

Is the rule of law that if you follow lchf, your blood sugar hba1c will come down. Otherwise, the well-documented evidence and facts in front of us would all be nothing but FICTION.

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