As an experiment, I've gone Carnivore! I have been hearing a lot of amazing testimonials recently. Many are from doctors that have done this themselves. I figured I'd try it out myself. What's the worst that can happen? I already have Parkinsons Disease!
I know, I know! What about FIBERRRRR? What about poop and your gut bacteria? Trillions of gut microbes will be screaming in agony! What about nuts and seeds and twigs and berries? Im reading lots of books. The books say you dont need any of that stuff. Of course, there are many more books that say you do. Im a curious animal, myself. I am also a little bit of a conspiracy theorist. And perhaps everything we have been told is a lie. I dont know, Im no salesman. I just want to try it.
2 days in so far. Starting day 3. So far I lost a few pounds, sleep like a baby and feel less fatigued. My tremors, which had been getting worse lately, have evaporated into thin air, except when I get agitated by my kids misbehaving and when I have to explain complicated things in detail to someone. I even forgot to take my afternoon dose of Sinemet until an hour after I usually take it and completely forgot to take my evening dose, because there were no symptoms when they usually remind me to take it, Still a little bradykinesia at this point. No brain fog.
Im also intermittent fasting, so I eat between 12PM and 6PM, but I dont feel hungry. No supplements. Just meat, eggs,salt and water. I admit, I cheated a little and had 6oz of coffee with heavy cream and a tsp of coconut oil. Ok, sue me! The other day, I had 4 grass fed beef hamburger patties and a tin of smoked fish. For lunch yesterday, I had Salmon. Last night I made a roast brisket that was good enough for Jehovah! MMmmMMMmmm! Yum! Today Im looking forward to Shrimp and Flounder.
I know its not for everybody. And Im still learning about it. Come along for the ride if you dare! This diet is not for the faint at heart. Forget everything you learned and open your mind, and perhaps it will blow your mind!
Does anybody here have experience with the CARNIVORE DIET that they can share?
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That's what I've been wondering too, all that protein. Plus long-term as well as short-term. Probably there may be no data on long term I don't know, how long has this practice been around to tell?
it’s been around longer than agriculture, according to the books im reading. I read 2 and im getting ready to start a third book. The logic is bizarre but seems to be consistent between the different authors. Maybe not bizarre but definitely inducing some cognitive dissonance!
I am seeing recommendations of anywhere from 0.8g to 1.5g of protein per pound of body weight per day. I lift weights 5 days a week and want a muscular physique (I’m trying!) so I can surely use the protein!
Well you will want a nice multivitamin so the protein can be properly utilized.
I wonder if this is like when your mitochondria get stressed and used up just like when you have alcohol...in the case of alcohol it's well known that the B1 in your mitochondria is depleted, and B1 is the antidote for that depletion. However, with having dietary protein, there is some be one that you get from that protein, at least if it's beef.
As far as long term, think about the Inuit population. They've eaten nothing but animals since they live above the Arctic circle. Generation after generations since the ice age, and humans traveling across the Bering ice bridge milenia ago.
The lifestyle of the relatively isolated Inuit has captured the imagination and has led to assumptions of mythical proportions. However... They do not follow a low-carb diet, they do experience heart attacks, and they are not immune to osteoporosis any more than Westerners. This is important when we want to learn about healthy nutrition based on facts:
The Inuit do not follow a low-carb diet, as they consume at least 30% of their calories from carbohydrates.
In the winter, the Inuit obtain their carbohydrates from fermented berries and tubers.
Although the Inuit have a relatively high intake of omega-3 fatty acids, it does not protect them against cardiovascular diseases.
Despite their relatively high meat consumption, the bone density of the Inuit does not appear to be different from that of Caucasian Americans.
Current inuit population. But when they first got there, the only ate meat. Also, we have a great survey, at 6+ months, with an average of 14 months, on the carnivore diet. Google harvard carnivore diet study. I feel fantastic and I haven't eaten vegetables in months.
The ideal diet does not seem to exist, and it is certainly not my intention to criticize the carnivore diet. It would not be my choice at this stage, but for a certain group, it could potentially be effective, especially for a shorter period. I am particularly interested in your experiences of the impact it has on PD symptoms.
However, there is no need to present arguments that are not accurate. The studies I mentioned are not recent but were conducted on residents who were still living traditionally at that time. It was simply found that the Inuit were not 100% carnivorous. The Inuit could obtain enough carbohydrates through careful planning and preparation in the summer. How they did this is beautifully described in the book 'Plants we eat – Nauriat Niginaqtaut' by botanist Anore Jones, who spent over 20 years with the Inuit. She describes the stories of how the berries picked in the summer are stored and fermented in seal skin, how the areas with tubers were marked for the winter, but also about the beautiful traditions.
There is a story about the search for mouse droppings because it indicates a nearby nest. Once found, there is almost always a supply of berries. These berries are not taken without permission but exchanged for a piece of dried fish. In this way, the Inuit engage in trade in harmony with other creatures. 👌
You didn't read the survey lol. There is an ideal diet, and it has nothing to do with plants. You want to live an optimal life? Eat nothing but meat. Especially ruminant animals. I actually looked up "why I quit the carnivore diet" and almost universally, people just want to eat other food. I only ever found one person, an older lady, that blamed a stroke on the carnivore diet. I encourage you to read the entire thing- not just the abstract. Especially on page 7, table 3, and show me ANYTHING that comes anywhere close to that amount of improvement. Doctor Anthony Chaffee, Doctor Shawn Baker, Dr. Berry, or, if you want to go wayyyy back, you can start with Dr. Salisbury in the 1800s (of the Salisbury steak) and his all meat diet. You've been lied to like the rest of us. Everything you know about nutrition is wrong, and everyone that's been on carnivore for greater than 3 months will tell you it is an absolutely amazing diet. I know I'm being blunt, but it's absolutely shocking, what the carnivore diet has done for me, the people around me, and the social groups I'm in. We're talking about reversing parkinsons, alzheimers, multiple sclerosis, arrhythmia disappearing, type 1 diabetics getting off all mess, etc. It's something that has to be seen to be believed. pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/349...
It's actually not a massive amount of protein. It will allow a person to get adequate protein (many are not) - b/c of lowering of RDAs which I'm not allowed to discuss per forum rules (I"m in U.S.) . The difference with carnivore-keto is the fat. They are basically high fat - not high protein. Carnivore could be considered on the spectrum of ketogenic diets. People on low fat or low carb both get about 30% of cals (although we don't count those) from protein - which you need to make neurotransmitters, among other things. Most people in the U.S. (where i live do not get enough protein - and when you get older, and have a chronic illness, you need more.
The difference is the energy source - fat vs carbohydrates. There are many reasons for the use of fat being an optimal energy source - beyond a comment; but you could read and research as the OP is doing. Ketogenic diets have been used for a long time and with good results for people with seizures - so it makes sense to try this for other neurologic disorders; which is being done with great success. I suggest a book by Dr. Chris Palmer called Brain Energy. He is using a ketogenic diet with huge success for people with mental illness. I am hearing a lot of people with M.S. having complete remission of symptoms and even improvement seen on brain scans.
One theory is that it is the fat which is healing. We have been taught to fear fat (as well as protein - but especially fat). This makes sense, as our brains are comprised of a lot of fat, also fat around myelin sheaths of neurons (MS). I have not heard as much about PD; however; an MD who has great info re: the carnivore diet has a father with PD doing well with this.
Also - makes sense in that I know one therapy that has been used with success with PD is high thiamine (B1) . I believe there is a forum for that on this site. Meat/eggs are chock full of B vitamins. so why not get them in the natural most bioavailable form along with all the other benefits! There could be multiple reasons this WOE (way of eating) helps. But if I had any neurologic disorder, this is the only way I would eat
There is a lot of propaganda against use of diet and food to heal.... and the OP will no doubt encounter a lot of push back. Hopefully they will persevere and help educate
Thank you for that well thought out, intelligent and rational comment. As for me, im learning as I go and feeling better every day. Now I need a strategy to get my wife on board. She has a lot of the typical American health issues but is afraid to give up potatoes and wheat products. I’m trying to convince her to try it for a month after the holidays and see how she does.
Also tallow, heavy whipping cream, sour cream, cream cheese (I loved hamburger and cream cheese with some melted fat- just like stroganoff). And if your adventurous, try bugs. Black ants taste like the tang in lemon pepper. Crickets taste like soybeans. If you can get it, I will be very jealous, but honeypot ants are very sweet. I also added enzyme drops to whole milk, waited 24 hours, added lactose sugar to double it (13g per cup), waited another 24 hours, freeze distilled it down to 40%, then made ice cream that tasted exactly like old fashioned soft serve vanilla. Also browned butter bites are a good seasoning.
youtu.be/RCYt6X8l0yI?si=cxo... you don't know dr. Chafee, he's a neurosurgeon resident. This is him talking about healing his fathers parkinsons disease.
I’m in transition. Completed 4 weeks. First few days were easiest, 4th week was the worst (glycogen supply is depleted-I guess). I don’t mean to scary you. I think it depends on how healthy your mitochondria are, mine are not flexible. I’ve gained unbelievable amount of weight within last year and a half and developed metabolic syndrome and pre-diabetic status. All “pd-friendly “solutions and diets I tried led me to more weight. So, basically I had no choice but trying this “bulldozer “ diet. Btw, I’ve seen a conventional gastroenterologist few days ago and hi is very supportive of this diet. Let’s wish us success.
Thank you for sharing! Personally, I've always been a fan of ketogenic diets, so im not expecting any glycogen depletion syndromes. I hit the gym 5 days a week and it's not an issue. Weight gain has been an issue since I had back surgery 16 months ago and I've been adding muscle on top of fat. Hoping this diet will chisel me out a bit!
It should be a breeze for you Bassofspades. I also had no issues to get into keto zone in the beginning of my PD. However, I was not able to do it a year ago. I had few amazing days in keto zone, but couldn’t sustain it.
Oh, great - seems most people who are already have keto have little trouble with this. Also, I hear from many who got stalled with weight loss on keto, and then were able to get better results with full carnivore. Same with disease symptoms. All about figuring out what works best for you - your N=1. The high fat seems to be healing. Are you familiar with Dr.Anthony Chaffee, and Dr. Shawn Baker? If not, definitely check them out - they have a lot of free content on you tube. They are quite buff , lol - Chaffee is a neurosurgeon and was a professional rugby player. His father also has PD and is using carnivore diet. He has livestreams on Thurs nights (in US) so probably quite late for you if you are in UK) but he is very generous with his time and answers questions, Also for $5/month you can join his Patreon group,, and there is a discord group with lots of experienced people to discuss ,etc. The paid groups allow more freedom , otherwise MDs can get in trouble ; but if people join an "association" it makes a difference legally (hence the nominal fees most will charge). However, you can learn following the people you will discover once you start listening, and talking to people in YT comments. This community is extremely welcoming and helpful.. so hopefully you could connect with others with PD. also!
You might want to follow that Canada psychologist, he has been very vocal about his doing this along with you for the last few years two or three are so continuously he says, and almost exclusively that with little else. It's an amazing case whatever it's worth.
Yes, Jordon has been Carnivore for a while now for various autoimmune issues and mental health issues. He tried this after the amazing results his daughter Mikaila (sp?) got using this to put her severe rheumatoid arthritis (autoimmune) , as well as other health issues into full remission (we aren't allowed to use "cure"). Her story is pretty amazing - she is a podcaster now. I don't think Jordon has a primary 'role' of promoting diet - but he has done some interviews where he talks about it. I would assume most of his podcasts are about the other issues he is interested in.
I do like him and his thought; read his first book - great for young people, but haven't followed him recently.
Sounds like the latest version of the Atkins Diet: Lots of fatty meat and pork, little-to-no bread, rice, etc. It didn't work too well for me. Probably because I wasn't willing to eat fatty meats. I don't know why it would be recommended for PD. The Mediterranean Diet has been recommended. Both cases limit foods that stimulate insulin production. Initially there is a lot of weight loss from carbs in the liver and muscles being used up. When they're gone the body must use fatty acids for energy. At that point weight loss drops from one pound a week to one pound a month.
AS the body gets better at using meat the body starts turning fat and meat into sugars: Gluconeogenesis. Some distance runners and cyclists say it worked for them but as I said, it didn't work for me.
Yeah from what I've read, pork isn't really that great because pigs eat like crap themselves, they aren't grazers like grass fed cows. Garbage in, garbage out, right? I've done the Mediterranean diet and it didn't give me the results i was led to expect, although in theory it sounds sensible.
What muscles, where? Because you were talking right up against talking about things inside the liver that were being used up. But I don't know of muscle tissue being in the liver (anatomy isn't something I know a lot about) or being stored in the liver so can you clear that one up?
Yes. Animals keep a day's worth of glycogen in muscle and liver for quick energy if in danger. Fatty acids are the other source of energy but it's slower to get into the bloodstream, compared to glycogen. But when out of glycogen the muscles can make more by catabolizing the body. That's the slowest for getting into the bloodstream. Known as gluconeogenesis. In long fasts gluconeogenesis becomes a source of energy. When fasting the body is trying to do both, gluconeogenesis and pushing glucose through the Citric Acid cycle. The body gets good at using ketones to fuel the brain Ketones are a side-effect of fatty acid production.
I went to a trainer who did a test. While I was running on a treadmill I was breathing into a mask that was measuring the percentage of CO2, carbon dioxide being produced. The test showed I was burning 70% fatty acids and 30% glycogen while running. Top distance runners burn a much higher percentage of fatty acids than that.
I heard interviews with couple of psychiatrists who had success treating their depression and bipolar patients with ketogenic diet. Those patients didn’t react to medication and had severe issues for many years. Both also said that low carb diets did not work, only ketones.
Bear diet: nuts, berries, salmon, making sure that the berries are low sugar.
Bear's Keto Porridge
Almond meal is just as tasty as rolled oats. You can use any proportions for the following that you like:
Almond meal, 4 ounces
Sunflower seeds, 2 ounces
Pistachio nuts, raw, shelled, unsalted, 2 ounces
Wheat bran, optional, one ounce
Almond milk, or other milk, or water 8 ounces
Red raspberries, optional, frozen, 2 ounces
Combine all ingredients except berries in large bowl. Heat on high setting of microwave for 2 minutes. Continue heating on low setting for 3 minutes. Then add frozen berries to cool quickly.
I think doing this in short bursts might be good especially if you are missing b vitamins or protein, iron etc.
However there are many vitamins you can’t get in meat and your body can’t make them and you can’t survive without them so that tells me this isn’t a natural diet and is not likely to be good long term. Plus lots of research including Laurie Mischley show meat eaters have worse outcomes.
The other thing this is likely to do is wipe out colonies of bacteria in your gut that feed in certain nutrients that they have been used to. I stopped dairy for 3 weeks a while back and after 3 weeks I passed the most enormous bowel motion I had ever had and it kind of hollowed out my belly . I think I wiped out all my dairy processing bugs!
Anyway the ones you shed might be a good to clear out if they are causing problems, but long term I think this diet needs to be an intermittent thing or I’m predicting you’ll run into trouble before long.
I suspect the best diet is a hunter gatherer one where they used to kill a beast and gorge on in including all of the organ meat and then boil down the bones into broth and drink that, then between beasts they would forage for leaves berries, nuts and seed with no meat at all.
All the more reason for formally undertaking this and collecting data. For anybody willing to try and anybody willing to organize a serious study (and by serious I mean getting one paid for, organizing it or designing it well as a formal experiment or investigation).
Marionp, the authors of the books im reading cite numerous studies. Beware of cherry picking data, always, and that goes for long standing generally accepted fda approved studies as well!
Yes, doing 100% carnivore is not recommended for long term. That being said I can’t really define long term.
As far as lacking nutrients, the authors say you can indeed get the required nutrients, as long as you include eggs, organ meats and seafood. Some nutrient requirements change when you eat carnivore because the nutrients needed to process vegetables etc are no longer needed. In addition, nutrients obtained from animal products are more readily bioavailable.
the authors insist meat eaters have better outcomes than omnivores and vegetarians, except for incidence of colon cancer. They say it increases lifespan dramatically.
Gut bacteria adjusts and adapts to the diet as required. Every different diet nurtures different gut bacteria. A condition known as SIBO is cured by this diet. That’s small intestinal bacteria overgrowth. Also leaky gut is remedied.
The authors go on to explain how plants developed inherent toxicity as a defense mechanism since they can’t run away or fight. But of course, their fruit is incredibly sweet so it will get eaten and the seeds will be deposited in a pile of fertilizer!
Like I said before, I’m no salesman. Im just curious to try it. I admit that their research conflicts with common knowledge and all other research as well! So far i am feeling really good, enjoying improvement in sleep quality, cognition, energy and weight control. Hunger is well controlled. At this time i have no negative effects. My parkinsons symptoms have improved significantly too.
One more note from captain obvious, carnivore is keto, but keto is not necessarily carnivore. And in order to get a low carb diet to work properly, it has to be low enough to induce ketosis. That means about 18g of carbs per day or less. And yes, not everyone will respond the same way to any diet, medication, supplement or any lifestyle regimen, as we all know from experience!
Fascinating to hear and looking forward to everybody's serious input on this. I have noticed that the famous pop psychologist from Canada has been doing this for several years now and has a lot to say about it.
After trying so many things which used to work for me but not now since I have different metabolic status apparently, I’m a true believer that there’s no one protocol fit for all. Even suggestions of fellow PD person may not work for you. As for the Canadian psychologist, they had a good success for his daughter; later he mentioned it worked best for him. But the point is if your current diet is good for you stick to it. But if you need to change it, you have to try by yourself. You can approximate if it works, though each one probably has to do a trial.
Wowww this is blowing my mind. You’ve got guts! Please please please keep us informed about how this is going for you… I’m absolutely spellbound and fascinated… Seriously. Really want to hear how this works for you.
I went the opposite way and adopted a totally plant based diet 3 years ago after some really bad experiences after eating a lot of meat. My logic was that plant based proteins would be more easily digested than meat and therefore would interfere less with Sinemet (levodopa) absorption. Within a week I was completely dyskinesic and cut my Sinemet by a third. Don’t know if my logic was correct, but it worked for me. I guess it goes to show that different things work for different people.
I’m starting to think that it’s not good to mix meat and carbs/plants. People do well on vegan diets and they do well on carnivorous or keto diets, but it seems we run into trouble when we eat omnivorously! Crazy, right?
Yes as we can see on this blog different things work for different people so I hope it goes well for bassofspades. The problem is these days meat as we know it has changed drastically. Modern intensive farming practices do not produce healthy meat. Best to buy meat from local farmers , less likely to be harmful than modern fast methods using a cocktail of chemicals, emulsifiers, artificial flavours. If it doesn’t look like part of the original animal, it’s probably processed.
True and that also applies to plant based food. Keep it organic and non GMO. Even still, the soil is perpetually depleted of nutrients and therefore food, both meat and vegetables, are less and less nutritious as time goes by.
Okay...Okay....I admit I've been "on-off" the carnivore diet for a couple of years now. My problems are many like baking breads & wood-fired pizzas, having gone to baking school and a culinary school doesn't help, and of course my love of wine and beer a couple of times a week. ...hmmmm...say three times a week max. Although my semi-carnivore diet is nice and I feel good, I would like to drop 25 pounds. Me wife says she could solve the 25 pound loss with just a wack or two (she's a Lizzie Borden wannabe.)
I have books on the subject and watched many Doctors on YouTube who provide great assistance and clarity on how to work and stay on the Carnivore diet. That's where I suggest going if anyone wants to learn more about the carnivore diet. As for me, I think I smell the cookies I put in the freezer the other day...
Lol you’re lady sounds like quite a catch! You could try carnivore for a month or so and drop a bunch of weight. No need to make it a permanent change. Trust me when I say, after you see how fast the first 10 lbs drops off, your appetite for cookies and pizza will be as though Lizzie took an axe to them!
My carnivore record is two weeks then the Cookie Monster usually shows up after a glass of red wine ( red wine and chocolate what's not to like?) However, I'm shooting for a new record of three weeks taking one week at a time. Attempt 576 starting now! ...Lizzy is laughing as I write this...gerr...gerr.
Im still trying to perfect my daily consumption. I learn more every day, and yesterday I learned that you have to eat an INSANE amount of meat. Somewhere in the neighborhood of several pounds. Like 5 pounds. Im not sure I believe that! Also, the fat to protein ratio sounds like it needs to be 70% fat, which is not easy to do. And they also say you have to ingest a ton of salt, 6 to 10 GRAMS!! Lord have mercy, I dont think anyone can eat that much salt!
Here's w hat I ate yesterday:
11:45AM - 3 oz leftover pork sausage with a sprinkle of shredded Ghouda cheese, 3 slices of organic black forest ham in an EGGLIFE egg wrap with 1 slice American cheese.
4PM, a leftover meatball, grass fed organic beef
5PM - one hot dog and one cheddar bratwurst
6PM: half a pound of roast beef
8PM: one mozzerella "string cheese" stick and one cheddar cheese stick
also throughout the day, about 1/2 tspn of sea salt right out of the grinder and 100 oz of water and seltzer.
I really need to up the quantity of both food and salt, especially the fat, from what I am learning. Eat until you are stuffed stuffed STUFFED!
I also had a half cup of coffee, which I am eliminating little by little. Today I had a quarter cup and tomorrow I'll just have one sip. My plan is to be coffee-free by the weekend.
The other day for dinner, I had a lovely rib eye steak, grass fed, from Aldi. Just butter and salt on it. I also took 2 slices of swiss cheese and put four pieces of pre cooked bacon on it and made a little sandwich. For breakfast I had half a pound of sausage and 3 eggs sunny side up fried in butter. I mostly use KerryGold butter or Ghee. No more oils.
And I feel better than I have felt in 5 years, Lost 13 Lbs in less than a week. Sleep better than I have ever slept, My breathing through my nose is much easier due to the reduced inflammation that I never knew I had in there. Only had slight tremors, mostly after coffee, so Im ready to kick that to the curb! I'll tell you what, Im really excited and thoroughly enjoying this journey. I could totally see myself on this diet regiment for life! Thinking about spare ribs tonight, thats nice and fatty!
Is HONEY considered an animal product and if so, is it fair game on Carnivore? I wonder!
No honey or milk because of sugar and lactose respectively.
What Dr. Anthony Chaffee neurosurgeon says in the below video, don't time your meals, eat when hungry and stuff yourself till satiated, 2 meals per day, no snacking in between. He also talks about his father's Parkinson's improvements
I’m all for the experiment! I eat keto myself and am not sure I could give up my butter and cheese…are you allowed animal products like that? How about coffee?
There are different levels of intensity. I have a cup of coffee in the morning with heavy cream. I even put a teaspoon of coconut oil in it, but that’s all. The rest of my diet is animal products and that includes butter and cheese . So that is good news for you!
Not fully carnivore but I have increased the meat component of my diet and cut out all processed food (even bread and fruit juice are processed foods). and generally lowered my carbohydrate intake drastically. I also cut out all refined oil and only use olive oil or sometimes coconut oil for cooking. These changes are aimed at lowering my systemic inflammation. I don't have symptoms of Parkinson's but did have RLS but that's gone since the change to my diet. I don't take medication just a few vitamin, herb and mineral suplements. I lost half a stone in weight ( I only had a BMI of 21 before) and my tummy is now near flat.
I've always been 'heavier' than I wanted to be. Runner-friends recommended the Zone Diet. That's eating a specific ratio of carbs and protein for each meal. I did that for a while. It seemed to work in the sense that I could run longer distances as long as I wasn't running too fast. With practice slow running can be fueled by fat. Then someone recommended the Atkins Diet. That's using 80% fat, 20% muscle for diet. I could never follow it because I had prostate disease. High-meat diets make prostate disease much worse. Two urologists told me with my history--three generations with prostate cancer--it was in my future. So I cut out the Atkins Diet. A specific blood test for prostate disease is the PSA. I've tested my PSA since I was 50 yrs old. It has slowly gone higher as I've aged but still not near the level that would require surgery.
Theres a lot of information going around lately that states that eliminating sugar and carbs from the diet prevents and even cures cancer. The theory is that cancer cells run on glucose, so in a keto environment they starve and die. Conspiracy theorists say this information has been historically suppressed because greedy drug companies make too much money on cancer treatments that keep us sick. Idk how true this is , but it’s an interesting theory.
All? Even infectious diseases and diseases that are structural in nature? How about inflammatory diseases and autoimmune diseases? Birth defects? Strokes? Peripheral vascular disease? Gall stones? Prolapse of the uterus? Hemorrhoids? Stomach flu? Subclavian steal syndrome? Etc…. Maybe not ALL! LOL.
I have been on a Carnivore Diet almost five years now, eating a lot of fatty meat and having only one or two meals per day. Sustainable? Well, we survived on the carnivore diet for a couple of million years so far! It’s not for everyone but it works for me…
I posted two articles. The first is from Dr Mercola on diet's effect on mitochondria. The second is mitochondria and how to manipulate so that Parkinson's Disease doesn't develop.
Awesome! My husband and I have been semi carnivores for 4 months now. Mostly beef. No pork. We eat eggs, beef, butter, salt with occasional cabbage, broccoli…He has MS and is seeing a difference in his health. I’m here on this Parkinson’s site to try and find help for my brother in law. He has declined so much at this point carnivore isn’t an option due to swallowing issues. I really think this diet could be key to helping some autoimmune diseases. Most people when they are desperate will try anything. This diet is one of the easiest ones out there. Prayers for you to get better. 🙏🏻🙏🏻You tube has a lot of information on carnivore diet. Check out dr Ken Berry and Dr Chaffee if you haven’t already. Our first influencer was Makaila Peterson, Jordan Petersons daughter. She put all of her autoimmune diseases in remission with the Lion diet.
What tremors did you have. I have slight head tremors. Waiting to see Dr is so far al.most a year. Head scan was OK. I've been thinking of carnivore for 3 days but Holy crap giving up sugar is hard. Chocolate I mean. Don't have a clue how to stop it..once sugar craving gone will start. I mostly eat meat anyway, not terribly over weight and rarely eat vegs..or poison salad. Lol
Some people have made their own ice cream. Heavy whipping cream, egg yolk and if you want, allulose or stevia instead of sugar, vanilla extract or cocoa powder. It may not be orthodox Carnivore but at least it's keto. Once in a while I cheat and eat Rebel ice cream.
For me, my tremors are mostly right hand and right foot. At my worst, i get tremors in my core as well. I notice my tremors get better when I am active, like if I take a little walk. Worse if I have extra caffeine. They usually hit me in the early morning and again in the early afternoon but all evening is pretty good. When I anticipate anything stressful tremors appear as well.
I eat pretty much like a Native American with a blender. Blueberry smoothie for breakfast, bison patty ground with organ meat for lunch and salmon for dinner. I do eat greens and some veggies, especially peas. My digestion is excellent. I get right up and use the bathroom first thing each day 🙏 I drink as much water as possible. I’m sticking with high dose B1 and magnesium. I use mucuna once when I first wake up and once early afternoon.
Why peas? I eat keto and avoid peas…I won’t say never but very rarely, because they are starchy (as vegetables go). Is there something about them I should know?
I live a distance from the grocery store and town. Frozen peas are easy to store and cook. I like them and they go with salmon in my mind. I have been a professional chef most of my life. I am challenged to cook these simple items for myself, but find this menu doable, tasty and nutritious.
Contrary to common expectations, adults consuming a carnivore diet experienced few adverse effects and instead reported health benefits and high satisfaction. Cardiovascular disease risk factors were variably affected. The generalizability of these findings and the long-term effects of this dietary pattern require further study.
For people with certain digestive issues, a temporary and possibly even a long-term carnivore diet can be a solution. From this limited research available, it appears that even over a slightly longer period of up to 9 months, there are no insurmountable objections.
Just like with the ketogenic diet, perhaps there are situations where you may want to further explore this diet, especially in relation to PD symptoms and medication. This can be very valuable for some people here. The question, however, is why the potential positive effects occur. Probably this is mainly due to what you DON'T EAT in the carnivore diet. When your immune system reacts negatively to certain carbohydrate sources and/or vegetables due to intolerance, allergy, or other sensitivities, you have eliminated all of these in the carnivore diet.
However, this doesn't mean that there aren't carbohydrate sources or types of vegetables that you can tolerate and digest well. Especially if you experience positive results and want to continue with the carnivore diet, you can still exploring and reintroducing certain types of carbohydrates and vegetables. Then, only keep the ones that don't cause any symptoms for you. Try to make your diet as varied as possible in this way to spread out any potential risks.
If you can manage that, or you have a normal digestive system like most people, I would recommend following a much milder and more varied diet, such as the MIND or Mediterranean diet, which is a bit less extreme and health experimental in nature.
But also for a reason barely mentioned here. The MIND diet not only help you live longer and reduce PD symptoms. It is also a ideal global diet of mostly plant-based foods but one that allows meat and dairy products in extreme moderation, where red and processed meat are completely banned. This would save at least 5.5 billion tonnes of CO₂ equivalent per year (40% of all food emissions), to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, reduce habitat destruction, decrease global mortality by 10% and (who cares) the ethical dimension to prevent the slaughter of billions of innocent animals.
While many of us are likely already victims ourselves, let alone concerned about the future of the youth, I did not expect any 'save the planet' interest after previous messages here. After all, our own problems surpass everything…. However, we are part of the world, and it seemed important to emphasize that. You can't agree, but this supposedly amusing response surpasses everything. It puts your 'experiment' and its outcome in a different light, and my initial support and interest have completely disappeared, but that will undoubtedly be the least of your worries. As we say very appropriately in Dutch: ‘Het zal je worst wezen’.
I think it a great way to eat. There are tons of good documentation from hundreds of people who share their lab results and it is pretty amazing. Check out:
Dr. Ken Berry
Dr. Shawn Baker
Dr. Saladino (good info but try's to sell too much)
Kelly Hogan
They have answered ever question you could have and the Dr's have the data.
My Mediterranean diet also includes a good Florentine steak once a week, as well as chicken, fish and pork. But it must be a work of culinary art starting from the quality of the meat.
Despite the warning for red meat, the picture alone provides an Oxytocin boost! High on my bucket list is a hike via Panzano to taste the perfection of a Bistecca alla Fiorentina at Dario's 'Officina della Bistecca'.
Week one is behind me and I would like to report that I not only survived without eating any plants, but I am feeling really good!
I quit coffee gradually. Today I just had one sip and now Im done. I havent taken Lithium Orotate, B1 or any of my other supportive supplements. Just one dose of Magnesium, one vitamin C and one Vitamin D this week because I wanted to see if there would be a noticeable difference (there wasnt).
My parkinsons symptoms are a lot milder than when I started. Tremor and brain fog are markedly reduced. Sleep quality is improved. I had a bit of eczema for several years that is not really bothering me as much as it usually does. My dematologist expects the Carnivore diet to completely get rid of that. (Green light form a doctor!) Lost some excess weight. From 277 Lbs to 264 Lbs. No soreness after workouts, and I have been increasing the weight amounts on my exercise machines all across the board. With all the protein intake, I dont expect to lose too much more actual weight due to increase in muscle mass, but I expect to slim down quite a bit.
All that I have been eating this week was mostly beef, eggs, pork, chicken. No seed oils, just butter, bacon grease and tallow for frying. The only seasoning I have been using is salt, and lots of it. It is apparently recommended by the experts on this to eat an ungodly amount of salt. And protein. Up to 8 grams of salt and 1 gram per pound of your ideal weight in protein! Aside from a little sip of coffee just to avoid withdrawal, all I have been drinking is water and seltzer.
And so, I will continue this carnivore diet since my experiment is yielding all good results and no negative ones. Im perfectly happy eating this way. I dont get bored of this kind of food, and I barely crave those toxic plants and snacks anymore!
And I had grounded goat meat, goat liver chunks, cooked with goat fat, cow ghee, butter, salt and water like a soup, some time ago and already feeling much better.
Funny you should ask, and great timing... I ran into some trouble this weekend where I had really bad muscle pain all the way down my whole back. I inquired about that on a Facebook carnivore group and they all replied with the suggestion to take electrolyte supplements. I took salt, cream of tartar and probably too much magnesium. My pain subsided but then the electrolytes concoction came out the other end! LoL! So be cautious, but do try electrolytes.
JayPwP, that sounds scary! I had a problem after a few days in where I had intense pain all over, especially my back and legs. It turned out to be electrolyte related, so I came up with this concoction, which I drink daily -
32 oz water
1/2 tsp salt
1/2 teaspoon cream of tartar
500 mg Magnesium capsule dumped out into the water
This has been a terrific solution and I havent had any problems since. What you have experienced, IF it is indeed related to the diet, could have been your body releasing stored Oxilates, a condition known as Oxilate dumping, or it could have been related to electrolytes or some other mineral imbalance. Or as you said, not enough fat, say if you havent been eating very much beef and butter, Beef, butter and bacon and eggs seem to be what everybody on Carnivore uses the most. I have joined many carnivore diet facebook groups as a means of support and to gain the experience of others who have had success.
As for me, I'm still on it. Down 17 lbs and feeling an improvement in every way, you name it. Especially sleep. I wake up after 6 or 7 hours and I cant stay in bed, I have to get up and go! I even skipped using a CPAP a couple of nights, which I normally have relied on.
I did have one massive cheat day, Christmas day, and I made the ultimate baked ziti, pigs in a blanket and cinnamon rolls. Even had some chocolate candy. The next day I got back on the wagon. Probably going to cheat again New Years Eve, Im thinking about having some wine. Also, I gave up coffee initially, but Im back to drinking a little coffee in the morning for no reason other than I just dig it! This diet is very difficult, very intense and required the discipline of a kung fu master. Otherwise, its just keto. Good luck, friend! Thanks for keeping me posted on your journey.
There is something called the keto flu when you first go into ketosis. You may want to look at that. There are electrolyte supplements specifically for keto.
Just joking, I feel really great! The benefits I have noticed are as follows:
Less sleep required. I wake up early and have lots of energy right away.
No need for B1 or Lithium Orotate supplements anymore.
Brain fog is gone without supplements.
Saving money on toilet tissue.
Lost 17 lbs
Recover from workouts more easily..
Noticeably less tremor most of the time
Lots of energy all day and evening
No bleeding from gums when I brush my teeth anymore
No back pain, or any pain for that matter
Breathing through my nose is much easier than it has ever been (due to elimination of whatever allergens or inflammatory substances I had been eating forever)
I still have bradykinesia and stiffness but hopefully with time, those symptoms will dissipate as well. Its going so well that I plan to continue indefinitely. I can highly recommend this way of eating to everyone without reservation. If you are diabetic or have chronic kidney disease, I would insist that you work closely with a doctor just to be safe. There is a lot of material including books, videos and medical documentation about the Carnivore Diet if you would like to learn more. I would advise everyone to try it for a solid week, then if it impresses you, make it a month. Then reevaluate and take it from there. Definitely worth trying!
I stopped using supplements altogether except this eye vitamin because I have trouble seeing at night when I drive, might be astigmatism, and also my eyes get crusty a little. But I no longer need B1, lithium orotate or ginseng or anything!
I have not changed my carbidopa-levodopa prescription but I find that I don’t need the last dose of the day so I sometimes don’t take it in the evening. Just twice a day is usually enough.
And I expect that it will get even better as time goes on if I stick with it, according to anecdotal evidence. And I do plan on staying with it with probably a monthly cheat day to keep my sanity!
1. I take a sinemet and a sinemet er at 7am and 7pm and a regular sinemet at 1pm.
2&3. To figure out protein and fat, figure you want to eat the amount of protein in grams to match your goal weight in pounds. For me this is 210lbs so I shoot for 210g protein. Then figure out how many calories you need in a day. Assuming I need 2800 calories a day. Now protein is 4 calories per gram, and fat is 9 calories per gram. So plug in the numbers:
210g protein x4=840calories
2800cal-840cal=1960cal
1960cal/9=218g of fat
If you have digestion issues eating mucho fat, you can eat more protein than your lbs:g ratio to get more calories but never less.
You never want to have your grams of protein to be more than your grams of fat, because your energy will drop. It takes energy to convert protein to energy. They can be equal but never less.
So here's some things I typically eat and the macros -
I realised my mistake after watching the video. My ideal body weight is 145 lbs, and I currently weigh around 155 lbs.On carnivore diet, I was having almost 600 grams of protein a day with around 150 grams of fat 🫣, and lots of water.
I wouldnt drink that, personally. I dont think epsom salts are meant to be ingested. Its ore frequently used for a bath. I would think you would get diarrhea ingesting that. Possibly. I dont know why he puts baking soda in there. Potassium Chloride is something you have to be very careful with, thats the stuff they give for a lethal injection when people are executed.
DId you not like my Gatorade formula?
32 oz water
1/2 tsp salt
1/2 tsp cream of tartar
a magnesium capsule 500 mg. I wouldnt use magnesium oxide or citrate. Those are laxatives. Use something more easily absorbed, like Malate, Threonate, Taurate, Glycinate or Orotate.
1/2 tsp of Cream of Tartar gives you 500mg of Potassium. You can get it in the baking or spice section of the supermarket. It is typically used to make meringue in desserts.
The Vitacost Magnesium L Threonate gives 144mg elemental Magnesium per 3 capsules, RDA is 400mg. Should I put 3 capsules in the electrolyte solution you suggested?
Also Protein per body weight or Meat ? For example, 100 grams of Meat contains 27 grams of protein, so I have to consume 500 grams of Meat to reach 135 grams of protein?
It’s hard to say about the magnesium because the rda of some vitamins and minerals changes with the diet. For example, On a carnivore diet, the amount of vitamin C required is lower than that of a typical diet. This is because glucose and vitamin C have a near-identical molecular structure and share the same pathways when absorbed into cells. When glucose and vitamin C compete, glucose wins out.
When eating a carnivore diet of at least 1000 grams (2.2lbs) of fresh muscle meat alone, you will exceed the amount of vitamin C you need to prevent scurvy (vitamin C deficiency)
experiment with different dosages of magnesium and see how you feel. Too much might give you diarrhea, maybe. So if you get that, back off. If you have excessive stiffness and aching, add more.
And its grams of protein per pound of body weight, minimum. So if you’re 200 lbs, eat a minimum of 200 grams of protein, not less, but more is ok. Its a lot of food! And try to get at least half of your calories from fat. It’s very tricky. I don’t succeed at this every day, myself.
not familiar with this fella but he is not carnivore if hes drinking all that celery juice and eating blueberries. Thats call Atkins diet or low carb. Carnivore is a very strict diet and as easy as it sounds, its difficult to actually do. You cant have absolutely anything plant based, and that goes for seasonings and herbs too. Example, You can have salt but no pepper, etc. The reason this works so well is because plants contain toxins to defend themselves from being eaten, with the exception of some fruit, I read, because thats how they get their seeds spread and pooped out into a pile of fertilizer in nature. (but fruit contains a ton of sugar so theres that) Not only that, but youre eating all the Roundup and pesticides that farms are bombarded with. That stuff is on the plants and in the soil, its bad news. That stuff causes Parkinsons disease! Theres also gluten, which wreaks havoc on your gut, letting toxins right in through the front door via leaky gut syndrome. Once you eliminate these things, the healing can really begin! Youre not fighting an uphill battle. That is why I think I am in need of less sleep and yet have more energy than I have had in years. The only way to believe it is to do it. When I read about the toxicity and inflammatory nature of plants as food, I thought it was a bunch of hogwash. But I tried it and I can testify, there had to be something in them because by eliminating plants from my personal diet, I can feel and see the difference. And it didnt take long at all, only a few days.
Also be well aware that the USA (actually practically all of the biggest countries in the world) is a Corporatocracy, the FDA is run by people who are board members in the food and drug industry. Kelloggs, General Mills, Kraft, Conagra, Pepsi, Coca Cola, Frito Lay, McDonalds... all these billion dollar corporations, and big pharma, Merck, Pfizer, etc. I dont care if I sound like a kook, there's something fishy going on. Theyre keeping us sick and fat. Studies are rigged. Poison is all over the supermarkets and restaurants of the USA. Cholesterol medicine is not saving anyones life, it destroys the nervous system. Those studies are rigged. Vegan diet studies are rigged. Heart Association and American Cancer Society make a lot of money,for decades and decades, and they never seem to find a cure. Whats the difference between a conspiracy theory and the truth? A few months to a few years. Someone very close to me works for one of these drug giants, I cant mention who or which one, and we were discussing CRISPR gene editing and how its curing diseases. He told me they had a meeting with the upper echelon and they said their company was stopping all gene therapy research BECAUSE they give you the drug once and your cured, they stop making money. If you stay sick, they have a repeat customer. I said thats profits over people! He said, they dont care, they just want to make money. Keep that in mind, I swear that it is true. God help us all.
Hi, where is this graphic from? If you've done any reading, what would you say are the two or three best to read? And who would be the wisest or most useful of the online or videos you'd point to?
Paul Saladino The Carnivore Code: Unlocking the Secrets to Optimal Health by Returning to Our Ancestral Diet a.co/d/38G7WIE
Bobby Murray Carnivore Diet For Beginners: Boost energy, increase weight loss and sleep better now by following a healthy carnivorous meal plan! Utilize proven fat-burning secrets within this ultimate guide! a.co/d/hAY7dUE
Baker and Saladino both have popular podcasts, as does Anthony Chaffee and Ken Berry. Actually, Saladino has since changed his mind about adding fruit to the diet.
Another of the wise doctors: Dr. Matthew Phillips. With the keto diet and intermittent fasting he has managed to recover two people who were seriously ill, close to death; two people with diseases in an "unrecoverable state", according to other doctors.
You can see in the video these two people talking about the treatment and how they are now, after a few months > youtube.com/watch?v=jhE-JD6...
Carnivore diet is similar to Atkins diet. Humans evolved with an omnivore diet, not carnivore or herbivore. As a die-hard hypochondriac the meat diet makes me worry about kidney damage. It's proven that meat raises blood BUN and creatine. Both precede kidney disease. Technically, Atkins is high-fat, not high-meat. But high-fat leads to atherosclerosis, the number-one killer on the planet.
Atkins diet you are watching your carbs. Atkins diet allows for 18g-100g of carbs per day depending on which phase of the diet you are in (induction, OWL, etc) With Carnivore you are not "watching" your carbs because there arent any in meat to watch.
Humans evolved with the omnivore diet, perhaps, but not all humans. During the ice age, humans crossing the Bering Sea land bridge did not have access to any kind of food except meat because nothing could grow there. I have read that Inuit people have survived for Aeons on meat alone, although I get arguments that they foraged and canned stuff during the warmer months of the ice age. Personally, I dont buy it. Sure, in some regions we were hunter/gatherers and ate whatever was easy to get, but thats not the exclusive human diet.
Kidney disease - Here is an article you can check out regarding the Carnivore Diet and Kidney Disease doctorkiltz.com/carnivore-d... To sum it up, there is no evidence that the carnivore diet causes kidney disease. In fact, since the leading causes of chronic kidney disease is Diabetes (and hypertension and metabolic syndrome), it is safe to say that since the diet reduces the incidence of diabetes (and hypertension and metabolic syndrome) then it also reduces kidney disease as well.
In addition, the first thing people who start a Carnivore diet notice is an overall reduction of inflammation all over the body. I noticed immediately how much more easily I could breathe through my nose, as my nasal turbinates have been swollen forever. A doctor diagnosed me with turbinate hyperplasia and even wanted to do surgery on me for it. Thank God I chickened out. Turns out it wasnt hypertrophed, it was just inflamed from whatever I was eating and is now eliminated by the diet.
High FAT does not lead to atherosclerosis. Take it from an old Cardiac Cath Lab tech (me!) who has seen thousands of peoples arteries! Atherosclerosis can be made of cholesterol, but its not the accumulation of dietary cholesterol in high quantities that cause the plaque buildup and calcification in arteries. Its chronic inflammation and oxidative stress. I never ever saw a patient in the cath lab who had high cholesterol as their only risk factor. It was a non issue. The patients I routinely saw were smokers, diabetics, hypertension, HIV+, obstructive sleep apnea, post radiation therapy and alcohol and drug addicts, and occasionally people who were under a recent stressful event like the loss of a spouse. These people could have their cholesterol being high, low or normal. Hypertension puts a lot of stress on arterial walls, causing microscopic tearing. This damage is repaired by cholesterol. It is when the cholesterol becomes oxidated that it then becomes dangerous and forms plaques. If the hypertension is not well controlled, the stress becomes chronic and thats how it builds up and heart attacks happen. In diabetics, we see calcification of the arteries and small vessel disease (which effects the eyes, toes, kidneys and more). Diet only accounts for 20% of cholesterol, whereas the other 80% is manufactured by the liver. So it doesnt matter how many bowls of cheerios you eat! The cholesterol thing is a complete myth perpetuated by the inventors of Lipitor. I could go on about this for days. Please dont make me.
Fat from animal sources get broken down by bile from the liver and gallbladder in the duodenum into lipids, which go directly into the building of cell membranes and tissue repair. Especially in the nervous system, where they become the myelin sheath that surrounds nerves and protects them. This is why Cholesterol is extremely important to the brain.
So dont worry if you have high cholesterol. Dont smoke, watch your sugar, control your blood pressure, wear a CPAP to bed if you need one, dont drink excessively or do drugs, pick better parents and pray for good luck! Thank you for the engaging conversation. All the best my friend!
In the video he mentions using DMSA and ALA then adding celery juice. His weight fluctuations are typical of Atkins, where water is lost as the body runs out of carbohydrates. Carbohydrates require a lot of water. Without carbs the water goes down the drain and you weigh a bit less. But sneak a piece of cherry pie and the water brings your weight back up.
Dr Matthew Phillips, neurologist, makes a good argument for fasting as treatment for mitochondrial dysfunction. When a doctor first said to me , "Parkinson's" I went home and asked Dr Google, who answered; One of the first symptoms is weight loss. I thought, "Cool! But three years later I'm 30 pounds heavier. I know about ketosis. I fasted for 2 months several years ago.
The idea of eating massive amounts of meat is an anathema to me.
Intermittent fasting is a great lifestyle. Induces Autophagy which is the best thing for Parkinson's. If you must eat peanut butter please make it organic and at least non GMO. Peanuts are pretty inflammatory without all that other stuff sprayed on them. Anyway nobody's saying that you have to do whatever diet i do. I'm just conducting a personal experiment and sharing my experience along the way. It's working well for me so far but if you don't feel good about eating acres and acres of meat then it's definitely not for you. You'll be miserable.
My guess is PD causes loss of sense of smell. If you can't smell you tend to eat less. A few years ago I had an eye condition and was prescribed prescription eye drops. The drops shut off my ability to taste sweets. German Chocolate Cake (my favorite) tasted horrible.
Somewhere, I can't remember where, I read that ketosis improves PD symptoms four-fold. while fasting improves symptoms twenty-fold. Anyone care to explain? Seems nonsensical to me.
I dont know how many fold they reduce symptoms by, but the way it works is by a process called Autophagy. Autophagy is induced by fasting. It is, in simple terms, the cells taking garbage proteins and recycling them into usable parts. One such protein is Misfolded Alpha Synuclean, which is a big cause of Parkinsons Disease.
Auto - self
Phagy - eating
When you fast for more than about 16 or 18 hours, the cells start to look for something to eat elsewhere since theres no fast-food floating around (sugar, glucose) and the body has to make ketones out of fat or make sugar out of protein, which is a very inefficient process and requires a lot of energy to do.
Thanks BOS. I'm going forward with fasting. I have urinalysis strips that show I'm in deep ketosis. But I also have ketone strips that show no ketosis.
after a while, your body will adjust itself in such a way that you will be in ketosis but it wont show up on the dipstick, not sure why that is. You may feel a bit of a chill, like you have the flu, thats called the keto flu. Its actually a good sign. Good luck!
In metabolic syndrome, dysregulated signalling activity of the insulin receptor pathway in the brain due to persistent insulin resistance (IR) condition in the periphery may lead to brain IR (BIR) development. BIR causes an upsurge in the activity of glycogen synthase kinase-3 beta, increased amyloid beta (Aβ) accumulation, hyperphosphorylation of tau, aggravated formation of Aβ oligomers and simultaneously neurofibrillary tangle formation, all of which are believed to be direct contributors in Alzheimer's Disease (AD) pathology. Likewise, for Parkinson's Disease (PD), BIR is associated with alpha-synuclein alterations, dopamine loss in brain areas which ultimately succumbs towards the appearance of classical motor symptoms corresponding to the typical PD phenotype. Modulation of the autophagy process for clearing misfolded proteins and alteration in histone proteins to alleviate disease progression in BIR-linked AD and PD have recently evolved as a research hotspot, as the majority of the autophagy-related proteins are believed to be regulated by histone posttranslational modifications. Hence, this review will provide a timely update on the possible mechanism(s) converging towards BIR induce AD and PD. Further, emphasis on the potential epigenetic regulation of autophagy that can be effectively targeted for devising a complete therapeutic cure for BIR-induced AD and PD will also be reviewed.
As I understand it, ketones are an intermediate step in fasting. . The body does not like flushing ketones down the toilet. Ultimately the body will use the ketones via the Krebs Cycle. It can take a while for the enzymes to ramp up and begin burning ketones.
farm raised fish are usually fed a grain based diet, from what I understand. Non grass fed cows eat corn. These animals dont eat that stuff in the wild. Its not good for them. non-organic meat can be GMO based, contain added BS, hormones, antibiotics, can be fed whatever is cheapest and full of Roundup and Paraquat, etc. Makes me think that eating this stuff most of my life contributed to getting PD.
I've just returned to my ketogenic diet. I intentionally go off of it around the Holidays. This is day 7 on very low carb dieting. Brain fog down, pain down, balance and walking. improved, tremor and anxiety improved. This does not surprise me, I've been biased towards a low carb diet for years (pre-PD). I usually ease into it, slowly reducing carb intake. This year I hit it hard right from the start. The improvement is obvious.
I don't eat breakfast. For me my first meal is somewhere between noon and 3PM. Then a last meal at 6PM. I try not to obsess over ketones. Sometimes my urine shows ketosis and sometimes it doesn't. I try to have a BM by noon or 1PM and if successful I then go out to the treadmill in my backyard shed. Then I spent 2-3 hours on the treadmill walking with short HIIT sprints interposed. Walking burns fat but SLOWLY. Jogging burns fat but not a lot more than walking. At the other end of the spectrum sprinting is burning pure carbs.
I've had a lot of practice with fasting. With no carbs in the blood the body must use fats or more specifically triglycerides. Triglycerides are ketones,
Dextrose (sugar) or triglycerides are what the body uses for energy. When I'm in ketosis I feel like crap. Some say they feel better when burning ketones but I never seem to get to that stage. In ketosis I can't sprint as well as when ingesting carbs. Just yesterday I tried sprinting and had to quit after 30 seconds. I was shaky and a big queasy. I felt better later in the day but only after ingesting a cup of granola.
So that's where I'm at; I see the benefits for my Parkinson's Disease but can't seem to find the 'sweet spot' for ketosis.
two possibilities as to why you felt like crap sprinting. 1, you depleted the glycogen that was stored in the muscles or, 2, your electrolytes were out of balance. Just a thought.
Bass you crack me up. You remind of an old friend in the 1970 's who was one of the nicest people I have ever met , very funny , anti establishment and non conformist.
He announced that because he had put on a little unwanted weight (coincided with his marriage) that he was going on a diet of steak and rye whiskey. He stuck to it through thick and thin until his wife left and he had lost 50 or 60 pounds . He said he never felt better.
He died a year later in his mid 40s, heart but I don't know why.
All things in small amounts, and a bit of everything . Man is not a carnivore, we don't even have claws. Nope, man is a scavenger and omnivorous and in the category of prey like rabbits. Most animals that eat mainly grass also eat a bit of meat when they can find it. A rabbit will eat a grasshopper and Cows bite the heads off those little birds that hang around.
Sorry to hear about the loss of your friend, he sounded like a great guy! I bet he was a smoker and that plus rye is not good. My food expenses have decreased since I don't buy any condiments, fruit, vegetables, bread, starches, desserts,etc. All I eat is meat, fish, poultry, eggs cheese, butter acd cream with a half cup of coffee. Water and seltzer (I have a soda stream) to drink. I shop at Aldi where good grass fed organic beef is $5.50 a pound. Eggs are $1.60 a dozen. I love that store!
Like I originally said, it's an experiment for me and as long as it's working better than before, I'll keep trying it. Something else will surely come along. It always does. Maybe I'll be a Catfoodatarian like my cats.
Tremors have been worse than when I started . I think it’s because I stopped all supplements as I was initially feeling great without them. I’m resuming B1 and Lithium Orotate in small daily doses and will follow up next month. Also learning about the importance of Vitamin D3 to the substantia nigra.
Otherwise I’m doing well. Down 22 lbs, sleeping well, lots of energy, no brain fog. No improvement in bradykinesia.
My tremors got so bad yesterday that they were uncontrollable, worse than I ever had before. This morning, I figured it absolutely must be related to low electrolytes and I needed to take action.
I took a magnesium supplement, a banana, 3 strawberries, 3 bites of watermelon, 2 tsp unfiltered honey, 8 oz bone broth and a vitamin D.
Very quickly, my tremors were completely gone! Hallelujah and praise the Lord! I guess my diet needs a little more tweaking!
sounds like something my chiropractor would recommend. Dont you get grounded every time you touch water coming out of a faucet? Can you cite specific examples of how you personally felt better after doing this, and for how long have you been doing this, and how long before you noticed these improvements? Thank you
I have not tried grounding yet. Just putting the information out there.
I highly recommend you read the harvard carnivore study. The full thing, including the table on page 7. Also, check out thiamine in megadoses. And join a carnivore community. I am personally in the Facebook lion diet community (ruminant meat only).
Im in 3 Facebook groups related to Carnivore and I have been on gigh dose thiamine for many years now. I considered the lion diet but that's probably to limited even for me at this time. I'll probably work my way up to it in time.
I thought that about the lion diet too. All my issues were actually fixed with the carnivore diet, but I wanted to see if there were any additional benefits from the lion diet, so I chose to do 30 days. 30 days turned into 90 days... better mood, better energy
I am glad that you have decided to fight to improve your health. The doctors, cardiologists and nutritionists who practice the carnivora diet, (I would say a better way to eat, because they eat some steaks...hahahaha), they look happy and strong. Everyone ends up practicing more exercise. There is a hispanish doctor, I think from Miami, who was challenged by a cardiologist friend of his to go to his clinic to do several tests and told him that he was sure his arteries would have collapsed. He couldn't believe how clean they were and I think they are going to do more studies between the two. I hope that when 6-12 months pass since you started your new way of eating, not a diet, you will make a summary of how your tests have gone and how you feel, which is the most important thing. Be careful: normal thin people who eat carnivores can have a lot of cholesterol, but that doesn't indicate anything bad, from what these doctors say.
I’m wondering how you continue to do with the carnivore diet. Are your tremors still abated with the help of electrolytes? How about dystopia and slow movement, swallowing, speech, and other PD annoyances? I’ve been pretty much keto (Wahls Protocol, level 3) and intermittent fast for almost three years with really good success. I’m thinking of giving carnivore a try. Thank you.
Dystopia? I think you meant dystonia. Well, I'm still on Carnivore. Mostly beef, butter, eggs and salt with the addition of a few berries here and there. If you're having success with what you're doing, I don't recommend changing. Carnivore is very strict with little variety. The electrolyte balance is a slippery slope as well. If you are interested in trying anyway, suggest you check out the most popular books and podcasts on the subject by authors Anthony Chaffee, Shawn Baker and videos on YouTube by Lillie Kane. Fair to say my symptoms vary in intensity from day to day, week to week. Sometimes bad, today it's been good. Best benefit is i feel less fatigue. Slowness of movement is unchanged. I never had issues with swallowing or speech. Still get tremors. I've been on it 4 months. Personally I feel better in general. Less whole body inflammation, I can really tell a difference overall. Good luck!
Thank you for your reply. Yes! Dystonia, not dystopia...thank you autocorrect! LOL! And I said I was three years in, really I'm four years in but the last year I've developed slight tremors and micrgraphia. Annoying, but not bad enough to go on C/L. I'm a little bit slower, too, but considering my fellow friends with PD who were diagnosed about the same time and decided to go on C/L immediately, I am doing better than they are using just my diet and exercise proogram. Now if I could only reduce stress in my life!! I've been following Chaffee and Baker, I'll add Lillie Kane. Again, mant thanks.
really good! Thank you. I went out of town to visit family for half a week and was off the diet and I noticed certain things that were healed started coming back, like itchy eczema and back pain. I’m back home now and back on carnivore today.
Thank you for your kind reply and pleased to hear that the carnivore diet (CD) is working for you. More specifically has it helped your Parkinsons Disease? If so how? I am thinking of starting the CD....
Regarding the effect of carnivore diet on Parkinsons, there are anecdotes that suggest it has a profound impact on symptoms for some people. I can only comment on my own experience. I have good days and bad days just like anyone, but even though the good days outnumber the bad, I have had bad days that were some of the worst in my experience. It’s really important to remember to get your electrolytes balanced. That seems to be the most likely factor in general when practicing the carnivore diet and having bad days. I had two bad days that stand out, one where I was feeling overall extremely fatigued and uncomfortable, and another where I had uncontrollable tremors, worst I ever had. The solution to both times was to ingest a goodly amount of electrolytes. Potassium, magnesium, sodium. That provided immediate relief in both cases. Some advocates actually recommend a small amount of fruit every day, and that does help as well, although it technically isn’t carnivore. If you decide to try it, be as diligent as you can be. I can almost guarantee that you will feel better because of the reduction in inflammatory and autoimmune issuesmin general. Good luck!
been reading medical papers where patients were doing the diet but they were allowed 16 gr of carbs a slice of bread. Did you allow some. After 6 months PD improved
Bread is absolutely counterproductive, as it is an inflammatory food. The only carbs I think are reasonable are from a small amount of fruit, which helps replenish the shortage of electrolytes. Electrolyte balance is no small matter. It can make all the difference in your symptoms and how you feel. I can tell when Im running on empty, my tremors get pretty persistent. Then I remember to eat a banana or some grapes and Im alright again. Im just about at the one year mark on carnivore!
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