Piccie above: Tomas and myself at the Hull 10K last weekend, myself at the Mersey Tunnel 10K, associated medalry and me just before the Mersey Tunnel 10K.
Hello one, and indeed, all. I thought it high time I got myself back on here and gave you all an update of what I've been upto recently. And introduced myself, as there's lots of new faces here that I'm unfamiliar with, so if we don't yet know one another, hello! I've been running since the start of April last year, when I started C25K, graduating in June of last year, being a regular here and posting a great many updates. Since graduating, I've done a good few 10Ks and two HMs, with more 10Ks coming up, including the Belfast Half Marathon in September, the Yorkshire Marathon in October, and ultra and the Brighton Marathon early next year, and my name is in the (huge) hat for next year's London Marathon too.
So, as a few of you here may already know, being connected to me on Garmin Connect, I've been a bit quiet due to taking four weeks-ish off running due to a suspected calf injury. Also going on at the same time, I'd inexplicably suffered a massive and sudden drop in running performance. I'd done the London Winter Run in February, meeting up with many good folk from here, and getting a great new PB, to suddenly struggling massively, having no energy, and every run being a horrid, breathless affair. Not brilliant at first but was progressively getting worse and worse, to the point where I had to abandon a run home from work midway through as I had absolutely no energy at all, prompting the few weeks off.
Coming back to it, you'd think the rest would have helped, but no, energy levels still the same, runs still atrocious. I had to miss the Leeds HM, though I did somehow manage to get through the Sheffield HM, with the help of a good friend who I was running with, giddying me along. Now, as a few of you may recall, I had an anaphylactic episode in February, while running, and ended up in hospital. The cause of which was never found, despite a visit to the allergy clinic a few weeks ago. But what was interesting was the blood tests I had both times, showed I was anaemic.
The week before last I had a phone call with my doctor to discuss it, and was told to go in for another blood test, which I duly did a week ago on Monday. So, fast forward to the Friday just gone, and my 1750 appointment (which actually turned into an 1820 appointment, but ne'er mind) with my doctor. He looked at my blood test results on the computer and thoughtfully announced "hmmmmmm, you're anaemic...". Now, my blood count should be 15-16 (whatever that is) or there abouts. It's 10, and is lower than it was on my last blood test, the one in February. So there's a definite problem somewhere along the lines. I've been referred to a specialist to see what the cause could be and if there's an underlying issue, and I've been prescribed iron tablets, and have been told it'll be around a month or so before I see an improvement. Also advised on what foods to eat to help increase my iron intake.
My red blood cells, apparently, are smaller and paler than they should be and that my oxygen intake and management won't be as good. And how. Now, in everyday life I don't really notice. Out of breath sometimes when walking and lifting stuff, but other than that it doesn't affect me. Apart from being really tired a lot of the time. Running though? Dear goodness. Where to start? As I say, my times have dramatically been affected. Breathing is very difficult to properly manage. Lots of gasping; bright red beetroot face too. Tight chest, and whether it's related or not, I'm not sure, but really tight and achy calves.
Horrible is not the word. So I stop running, right, at least until the medication kicks-in?
Do I hell. Rested already, it didn't work. So I keep on running, as grotesquely unpleasant as it is at times. Most of the time. All of the time.
After my few weeks off, I did a run on the Monday, then Wednesday, then Friday, then decided to do the Mersey Tunnel 10K on the Sunday, the 7th June, which I'd signed-up for before Christmas and didn't want to miss. So, there I am in Liverpool on the 7th June, first week back after almost a month off. Red hot sunny day. Wondering what the hell I'm playing at doing this when I'm not in the shape for it. (Didn't realise then just how bad the anaemia was as I'd not been officially diagnosed) So glad I did it though as the race was a total blast and has become one of my favourites: starting in Liverpool, going straight into the Kingsway Wallasey Tunnel, with a downward incline, then about a mile or so of uphill to get out, and then, after a few turns and twists, around 5K straight down to the amazing and beautiful finish in New Brighton. Such a great race and such a great day: I highly recommend it. I did it, I got through. And ran under the Mersey!
A week later and I decided to do the Hull 10K too. It's part of the Jane Tomlinson series of races, which I'm signed up to as part of the biggie, the Ultimate Season Ticket, which encompass the: Hull 10K, Pennine-Lancashire (Burnley, this Sunday) 10K, Leeds 10K, York 10K and the Yorkshire Marathon. Also doing the same is Tomas, another fine member here. I was out at Hull fairly late on Saturday night, due to being busy here in Sheffield earlier in the day, so I sent Tomas a message when I got to my hotel saying hello and that we should try to arrange meeting up the next day, race day. It'd be great to run together, even.
Race day had that usual chaotic but fun vibe to it and sadly I never was able to arrange to meet up with Tomas before the race. Now, if you've ever done a Fairly Large Race (FLR) you'll know how mad the start can be: thousands of people milling about. The chances of bumping into someone you only vaguely are aware of what they look like, are fairly slim. So, imagine my utter astonishment, if you will, when who do I spy in the massively busy start pen in Hull that Sunday morning? There he was, the man himself, Tomas! Completely by chance! Handshakes and chatting away, we ran the race together and had a blast. The Hull 10K is an interesting one: tight and narrow with plenty of twists and turns, and good fun, and it was a pleasure to run with Tomas, a fellow C25Ker.
Highlights of this race include: one man asking event staff to "throw him a bottle of water" - he was in the middle of the road. Yeah, great idea, pal. And a table and chairs, outside a house, with champagne and glasses on it: luxury for some spectators! Despite the rain and breeze, there was a really good turnout of spectators, which was brilliant. Oh, and overtaking the 60 minute pacer was pretty cool too, in the last bit of the race, and pretty motivating!
Red-facedly gasped my way through the race, but I enjoyed it. The 10K in Burnley next, on Sunday. Won't be particularly pretty for me, but it should be fun.
Other runs have included an 8.32 mile run on Saturday morning. I enjoyed it but it was very, very hard work. Breathing a complete mess. Energy levels absolutely all over the place. And it wiped me out completely - I spent the rest of the weekend in bed. Did a 3.54 mile recovery run this morning and bloody hell fire, that was even worse! Nooooo energy. At all. Not even a little teensy bit. Breathing a disaster and was a good while after. Tight chest too, but it was another run done. There's no predicting how a run will go at the minute as they vary vastly and can change suddenly whilst on the run itself.
So, if ever you experience a sudden drop in performance and lack of energy that won't right itself, get a blood test done. Last thing I ever thought it would be was a medical condition. I put it down to overtraining or suddenly becoming rubbish for whatever reason. After all, what do you do, go to the doctor and say: "doctor, my times have got worse and running has become tougher! Help!" ?! Yes, as it turns out. All the signs were there, I just missed them. A great deal of my time off wasn't so much injury, but lack of motivation, and also fear, fear of how bad the first run back would be. I had no idea it was anaemia and that it was so bad and in many ways, finding out has been a relief, as it can -and will - be fixed. I'm finally back into it now and even though most runs are hell at the minute, I always feel better afterwards, eventually, and don't intend stopping now!
So, dear folk, thanks for reading all that. I've been busy, and really tired lately, and very frustrated too, for obvious reasons, so haven't been about much, but decided I needed to come back on here and share all this with you, and keep you updated on my Anaemic Running Woes. (ARW) I look forward to catching up with you all and to meeting those of you I've not met yet. Nice to see so many new folk about.
So, happy running to everyone. Always.
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Do you take B12? Apparently that plays a roll in all this red blood cell stuff. It might help! Perhaps a course of B12 injections just to see what happens. How you respond to them may even give the doctors some insight into the type and cause of the anaemia becasue apparently there are MANT types.
I'm one of those people with all the symptoms of anaemia and perfectly fine blood counts and lab results, so I just sort of picked up some knowledge about it along the way.
I think you are super brave for running anyway — but don't push yourself too hard!
Hey there. 😊 I do have some B12 supplements, but my recent blood test also included a check on B vitamin levels and all seems fine with that. It could be absolutely anything; I have all the tests to 'look forward to' I suppose! That must be frustrating, having all the symptoms but normal blood test results!
Thank you; it does feel that way sometimes, being brave, but I think there's a degree of stupidity in there somewhere too! I'm being careful not to push too hard and overdo it or anything. Now is not the time for PBs or anything; I'm just trying to tick over and keep some fitness and activity going. ☺
Miles! How lovely to see/read you back on the forum. I am sorry you are going through a difficult time and hope there's nothing serious underlying, and you find out the cause soon. Strangely enough I was replying to a post on anaemia earlier today. It is much more common in women than men (because of periods and other issues associated with owning a uterus - there I said it, just because I refuse to use that dreadful euphemism "women's problems").
I was moderately anaemic the whole time I was doing the C25K programme and for a few months after graduating. Because I had no yardstick to compare it to I naturally just thought I was a bit crap at running - seemed to be getting slower, couldn't get my breath, saw flashing lights running up hills, felt like there was no power in my limbs, etc. Rather like running at altitude. I wasn't aware of it affecting my non-running life so it only came up during a blood test for something else. Much like you, my blood count was 9-something when it should have been 13/14.
I took iron tabs and after just four weeks the difference they made to running was quite astonishing - like I had new legs and new lungs. Five minutes off my 5k time, just like that. So not long to wait, the tablets absolutely do work, but have patience - try not to push yourself until your haemoglobin levels are back up.
Luckily for me I had a straightforward underlying cause that could be treated fairly simply and I am absolutely fine and healthy now - hope it is the same for you. So that's my tuppence worth - take care, please try not to run TOO hard for now, and keep us updated.
Firstly, the phrase "owning a uterus" made me chuckle quite a bit! 😂 I had read that it affects women much more than men (anaemia, I was referring to, not uterus ownership!) but I can identify with so much of what you've just written. Running is such a struggle at the minute that I'm today, after reading the replies here, considering resting for a week or two and letting the medication work and my levels to stabilise and settle. Last run, on Monday, I was quite light headed after and breathing was difficult, and it was 'only' (!) a 3.5 miler.
Thanks, Turbo, I'll keep you all informed and will stick around. ☺👍
Oh and Turbo, I meant to say: hills at the minute are a nightmare. Time was I enjoyed them, now it's like running into a brick wall, just no energy at all to get up the things!
Yes, I know what you mean. That was the first thing I noticed once I got my blood count up to normal - that I could gobble up (small) hills that had previously defeated me, without feeling like someone was squeezing my ribs.
Incidentally, reading other answers below, I was reminded of you and your liking for frozen peas last weekend when they featured a frozen pea ice cream recipe (no dairy, with lime and mint) on Saturday Kitchen. You just chuck everything in a blender. It's a Swedish traditional midsummer thing apparently - it sounds really refreshing.
The hills are the worst part, I'm finding, they totally take it out of me at the minute. I can get up them, just, but feel wrecked after as it's just so tiring.
That frozen pea ice cream sounds amazing and would be a great, and tasty, way to take iron in! I'll go online and look for the recipe for that, thanks for the heads-up!
Nice to hear from you again Miles -- and sorry to hear that you have not been well. But I also think that your were/are a serial "over achiever"?? Confucious said : "What does a man do with 1/10th of second saved in 100 meter dash???
Hi Bazza. ☺ You're right, good sir, as is your Confucious quote is correct. I've learnt to take things easier now, or rather, been forced to learn, and think about things a bit more. Hope you're well, Baz. ☺
Miles_Yonder how very very lovely to have you back here on the forum, things just haven't been the same since you migrated to Connect
Despite your ARW, you're still a cracking runner with the medallage to prove it. It's astonishing that you managed to discover Tomas at the start of your race, almost as astonishing as some of the times you've been achieving despite your BADs (Bloomin' Anaemia Difficulties)
Really really hope you get sorted out soon. My friend's mum had terrible anaemia years ago and was give 24 iron injections in her bottom over the course of a month. After a month, and nursing a very sore bum, there was absolutely no change to her iron levels. "Oh, " said the doctor, "perhaps you needed to take folic acid too."
So, keep troughing the spinach, kale, spring greens, broccoli, asparagus and anything else dark green that's full of folate and hopefully your meds will sort you out really soon.
Take care Sweetie, good to hear from you again xxx
Thank you, GM. I've decided to unmigrate myself and get back on here.
You're not kidding; I couldn't believe it. The odds weren't great due to the sheer number of people at the race and it was packed when Tomas and me found each other, but amazingly it happened!
I have an addiction to frozen peas; I just eat them out the bag, stood by the freezer. I read just yesterday that they're packed with iron too, which is probably why I've been craving them. Had plenty of kale with my meal tonight too. Hopefully I'll start to feel better soon, just a matter of being patient and hoping the medication kicks-in soon.
That sounds horrid; I could do without all those injections, wouldn't do my running any good!
Hiya how lovely to see your name pop up on here again with a VLP! I am so sorry that you have been feeling so under par and really hope you get to the bottom of it all asap and back to running with full health.
That's great that you met Tomas and ran together-it's great to meet with other forumers, I have such fond memories of the LWR. ❄️
We know you are made of strong stuff but take things steady, it sounds like you are still enjoying a good run, and oh how much better they will be once you're sorted.
Big hugs to you for a speedy recovery and stay posting, we've missed you! x 😊
Yes, me too; the LWR was such a great day and it really was brilliant to meet so many C25Kers. That's such a great thing about this forum, meeting so many cool people.
Thanks again; hopefully the medication will start to work soon and until then I'll take it steady and won't overdo it. And, of course, I'll keep you all updated and will keep posting. It's really good to be back; missed everyone here! x
Wow!!You have done some running while away😊Sorry to hear about your ARW but sounds that you are well on the way to getting it sorted.It must have been a huge relief to know!!!! I have missed your novels lol! So please drop in now and again!
Hey up Pot! How ever are you? I intend sticking around now I'm back; hopefully ,y experience will be an early warning alarm for anyone else experiencing similar running difficulties! Yes, it really is. I thought perhaps I was overtraining or was somehow just getting worse at running but it's a relief to know it's a medical issue, and one which can be fixed, at that.
Nice to meet you, Miles Yonder You're not alone, apparently - I read another post about anaemia yesterday. I remember reading that running can affect red blood cell count because the repeated ground impact damages them. It sounds like you're a real running addict to me - you talk about 10K runs and HM's like I talk about a 5k jog. Another person who proves that C25K can spark off revolutions in people's lives Maybe you should run shorter distances until your docs have sorted out where the anaemia comes from? Frustrating, but better than ending up out cold on the pavement and testing out the emergency services, huh... Take care, mfam.
Hello there, mfam, nice to meet you too. Ah, it seems that there's a few of us anaemiacs about the place then!
You are right; as efficient as the emergency services are, I don't really want to end up testing them out by overdoing things and collapsing mid-run! I do love running and it has changed my life and proved horribly frustrating when I've not been able to do it. And fear not, you too will running 10Ks and saying things like "only did a 10K today" as C25K is great at that, getting you hooked on running, and everyone here is great at motivating us on to a new goal. I see you've already graduated; keep the good work up!
Interesting too about the red blood cells and why us runners seem to be particularly susceptible to anaemia. All that thwacking our bodies get on the ground seems to upset a lot of things within our bodies, but we keep on with it for the love of running. And as you may already have found, it really does get so addictive! Happy running.
Miles hello again so lovely to see you back here but what a tale of woe! You really have got this running thing bad haven't you? But what fabulous sounding runs they are! And how lovely that you've met up with Tomas too.
Do take care of yourself and do what the nice doctors tell you (although I'm sure they probably would have a fit if they knew you were doing all that running!).
Great photo collection and if it makes you feel better, my face goes much much redder than yours!
Hey up, Irish. Thank you, it's so nice to be back again.
Yes, yes I have. Went through a demotivating phase when I was unsure what was going on, but now I know I'm determined not to let it get the better of me. My doctor didn't actually say I couldn't run, although I didn't ask if I could run or not. Not because I didn't want to ask; I had so many questions I was firing at him that I just forgot to ask that one in particular, but he knows I run and didn't say that I couldn't.......!
I did a run late last week and my face was so very red that I started to wonder if an ambulance were needed! The heat doesn't help, of course!
BP! Thank you kindly for the VSR! Thank you; I hope you are well and that you are still enjoying your running! The coolest of cool runnings to you! xxx
Miles, it's good to hear from you even though it's partly a tale of anaemia woes. You've certainly been ticking off the races and clearly pushing yourself despite feeling pants. We've heard of a few instances on the forum recently of anaemia - I do hope you can soon get it put right and feel more like your old self.
We've missed your VLPs on the forum - let us know how things go old friend.
Thank you very much; I shall stick around and will keep everyone informed of how things go. I didn't want to miss the races I'd signed-up for so decided to do them and take them steady, not that I had a choice in the matter as I can't really do particularly fast at the moment.
Looks like there will be a C25K Club Anaemia coming on!
Ha ha!!!! laughing my head off at Baz's Confucious quote. Tee hee.
I was just thinking about kale and all those lovely dark green veggies! My garden is crammed with em. I live on them! Running food for sure. Steaming is the way forward Miles, or a quick stir fry with something spicy. Dark green leafy veg is cheap too!
Iron is in all sorts of lovely foods so no worries Miles. Dark choc being just one treat so it's not all about sensible greens. Those choc mousses I make are heaven for iron content. It's in the tofu too!
I hope that the treatment kicks in real quick and that you'll soon be back to health. You might find that you're much better than you were before. That would make you totally awesome. I can see those PB's being smashed!
Been eating plenty of the kale, both steamed and fried, which I particularly like. Eating frozen peas too, which I have a particular love of. This frozen pea ice cream that Turbo mentioned above sounds delicious!
I have been getting through the dark chocolate as well; been on about 50g-ish a day of the Green & Black's 85% stuff. I'm eating all the right things, and taking my medication, so hopefully will start to feel better very soon. Those mousses of yours do sound very nice though!
Thanks, MissW, I bloody hope so; can't wait to start feeling reasonable again. Had more than enough of feeling utterly rubbish on my runs!
What a gorgeous and heart felt blog...I am so with you on the 'finding running hard lately' ( FRHL) front, but I don't have a medical condition, just mental burnout I think... You are doing so much but I can resonate with that as we just have to keep on running!!! The pics of you and Tomas are gorgeous...and I LOVE your map of the World tattoo....... Most importantly take care and look after yourself.... I was really anemic after I lost 2 litres of blood after an emergency caesarean ( my boy) and it took AGES to feel OK ( HB was 8). However I ate loads of steaks and took loads of supplements etc and when I felt better it made me realise how bad I was.... I really feel for you and admire your tenacity to keep on going.... hang in there
Sorry to hear you're going through a rough patch with running too; happens to everyone at some point, I think. Have you tried taking a little break and coming back to it? Doesn't have to be long, just a few days, if that. Has worked for me in the past.
Thank you! I keep wanting to add to that tattoo, to make it a travel/geography sleeve. I really like that pic too, it was great bumping into Tomas like that, and quite unexpected too!
Oh that sounds horrible. I feel pretty bleugh at 10, so you must have been in a bit of a state at 8. That's what I'm doing though, lots of steaks and other iron-rich things which hopefully will start to make a difference soon. If it wasn't for the running I doubt I'd have even known about the anaemia and would have put the occasional breathlessness down to being unfit, but the running really, really highlights it, as it's currently so bloody difficult to do at the minute!
I don't want to rest though and lose momentum so I'm trying to steadily continue at present.
Try not to feel fed up with running yourself either; got any races coming up to inspire and motivate you?
So sorry to hear about your health problems Miles_Yonder. I hope they will soon be sorted and you will be back in full flight. As someone who suffered from post-partum anaemia, I hope your doc told you about a) taking the tablets a couple of hours after food, with orange juice (but not grapefruit, for some reason) or another citrus juice to help absorb the iron. Even a squeeze of lemon juice in water is better than nothing. b) avoiding tea/coffee and dairy for 30-45 mins after taking iron, as they prevent iron absorption, c) watching consumption of whole grains/cereals and beans when taking iron, because they also inhibit iron absorption. I only found all this out after I was prescribed a course of iron which made no difference (much to the GP's amazement), ended up in hospital and then had a nurse read me the riot act about not following the above rules. Good luck and get well soon.
Lovely to read your post. So Sorry your having iron troubles I totally know how that feels. I started not long after graduation and it felt like someone just pulled the plug 10 min into my run. The cause is easier to find in women I hope they get to the bottom of it soon for you. Remember to look after yourself and if you body says NO don't push it too hard you need your immune system up and firing to deal with your runs. Probably teaching a grandmother to suck eggs here but remember vitamin C with your iron tablets (I always had orange juice). And no eggs and tea within a couple of hours of them. Good luck and as always happy running.
Miles, it is sooo good to hear from you again, it's been ages ! Well, it has certainly been one hell of a rollercoaster ride for you the last six months or so , and that is a understatement
I am so sorry to hear that you've not been well, but its good to hear that you're getting to the bottom of it and you can be fixed
More races and more medals !!! You really must be running out of space to hang them all now . I remember your graduation post and here you are now , with more medals and runs under your belt than you can shake a stick at
I really must meet up with you and Tomas in Leeds , it would be great to see you both.
How lucky was that , that you both met up ?
Take care , please look after yourself , I agree with Princess , the docs would have a fit if they knew how much you were running . You always were a bit of a rebel though ha ha
Hey Miles, nice to see you're posting again! Great pics and blings, and sorry to hear about you feeling poorly.
Love your races/run reports as usual, and that was a fantastic way to meet Tomas! Not sure I'd like to run under a river without my diving gear
I welcome you in the AA (Anemics Anon) !I'm sure you'd rather be not part of it... Hope you'll find out which kind asap, as it's quite astonishing how quicly one recovers with the correct diagnosis and cure ( and make sure your GP checks how you're doing with B12 - could it be that your anaphylactic episode triggered an autoimmune response?) -
Welcome back! It's been an age. Sorry to hear about the anemia - it is very much a pain; been there in the past. You will soon feel the impact (and I second the stuffing of dark green veggies - much more palatable than the tablets which had other dire effects on me -'nuff said!). Though having said that, with you overtaking the 60 min pacer on a 10k run, you aren't doing too badly in my book, even if it feels like struggling to you! (Still on my to do list...)
Miles, lovely to see a post on here from you again. Always love your race reports. Welcome to the Anaemia Club - which I only found out I was a member of last Wednesday with a blood count of 9. Hope your docs find out what the underlying cause is quickly but in the meantime the iron tabs are brilliant. I too soldiered on (though not with half marathons, 10k wiped me out!) and posted on here about it yesterday.
All the best, hope you are back getting new PBs soon
How nice to see you back on here, but I am sorry to read all about your troubles. It doesn't seem to be stopping you much though! Please take good care of yourself and get those iron tablets down, plus vitC and all the green leafy stuff you can stomach, and hopefully the medicos will work out what the problem is and sort it out pronto for you. Most impressed with your running, especially the tunnel - I have a horror of tunnels, so that one's not for me! All the best to you, AM x
Great to see you back on the forum Miles, and can I just echo what you said about Hull. What a surprise. What a GREAT surprise. Despite the messages I didn't really believe in it. It was a great race, made greater by running with you.
Sounds like your running will be tough for a few more weeks. I know there's no way you're going to take a month off (that would also ruin the chnance of meeting Poppy in Leeds), but do cut yourself a little bit more slack while you wait for the levels to come back up.
So nice to see you two lovely lads together there Tomas! Fancy that!
Ooh I am rather partial to your VLP's
Hello! Like you, I tend not to hang around here whilst I'm out of action, as I've just explained in another post, it makes my heart hurt with jealousy!
Great to read all about your recent runnings, though. But also alarming to hear about this anaemia business. That, on top of coming back from an injury break, must have been a struggle. So well done you for getting through that! I've never had anaemia but I imagine it to be similar to the feeling I get after I've given blood, which I did the other day. Kudos to you, sir.
I know you're not a drinker but a good couple of pints of Guinness would help your iron levels teehee!
You take care out there, and nice to see you back x
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Yeah, great idea, pal. And a table and chairs, outside a house, with champagne and glasses on it: luxury for some spectators! Despite the rain and breeze, there was a really good turnout of spectators, which was brilliant. Oh, and overtaking the 60 minute pacer was pretty cool too, in the last bit of the race, and pretty motivating!
Do you take B12? Apparently that plays a roll in all this red blood cell stuff. It might help! Perhaps a course of B12 injections just to see what happens. How you respond to them may even give the doctors some insight into the type and cause of the anaemia becasue apparently there are MANT types.
But, I'm sure I can adapt the recipe to make it me-friendly; thanks for the link! 
A pictorial review of 2013
Started C25K in April, did half marathon distance yesterday!!!!!
First race entered !! *excited* !!
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