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Access to Vaxes

bennevisplace
bennevisplace

Despite the fact that a safe and effective Covid19 vaccine is at best several months away, governments across the world have been committing serious money to securing future stocks. Each country will decide who will be offered a successful vaccine first, but 80 or more countries have signed up to Covax, a scheme which aims to make vaccine available to all countries and which is led by Gavi and the Gates Foundation. Several of the pharma companies involved have said they will distribute their vaccine at cost.

The Covax protocol says that no one country can vaccinate more than 20 pct of its population at the expense of other countries in need.

The WHO blueprint for vaccination priority within a given country is 1. Health and care workers, 2. Over 65s and at risk people, 3. Others.

bbc.com/news/health-54027269

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Well I for one do not want the vaccine anyway!

bennevisplace
bennevisplace in reply to Tton46

It is recognised that many CLL patients' immune systems may not respond to vaccination. Let's hope that vaccination of the masses will protect us all, by drastically reducing infection rates. That would give some chance of stopping this pandemic.

Justasheet1
Justasheet1 in reply to Tton46

Why?

Tton46
Tton46 in reply to Justasheet1

Because if I get covid, at my age I’ll be okay, maybe I’ve already had it... I’ve been exposed several times by family and friends and so far always tested negative, my husband had it my daughter had it and my mother in-law had it all while in my house, and the lady with cancer didn’t get it! And their symptoms were not as bad as the flu... I do not wear a mask except for dr visits and I’m all about hugs and handshakes! If I do get covid I’ll quarantine, do not want to spread it but I’ll just say no to the vaccine! I’m not going to live life in fear, because that’s what the Goverment wants! I will never be a sheep! Well maybe a black sheep 😂

Tton46
Tton46 in reply to Tton46

And I mean no disrespect to you! Do what you think is best!

Justasheet1
Justasheet1 in reply to Tton46

Ok then. I wish you well and hope that your luck continues.

I don't intend to take one. Especially one that's been rushed into use!!! Who knows how it will affect people with CLL/SLL and other cancers, diseases, etc. until many thousands of people have been tested.

Justasheet1
Justasheet1 in reply to bluenet

Well we know that it won’t give us cancer. I’ll be a guinnea pig.

bluenet
bluenet in reply to Justasheet1

Maybe not, but one trial I've read about has been stopped because some were becoming paralyzed. Generally it takes a year, maybe more? to test a new drug or vaccine.

lankisterguy
lankisterguyVolunteer in reply to bluenet

bbc.com/news/uk-54132066

Trials of a Covid-19 vaccine being developed by AstraZeneca and Oxford University will resume after being paused due to a reported side effect in a patient in the UK.

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On Tuesday, AstraZeneca said the studies were being paused while it investigated whether the adverse reaction was linked with the vaccine.

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But on Saturday, the university said it had been deemed safe to continue.

Health Secretary Matt Hancock welcomed the news that the trials would resume.

"This pause shows we will always put safety first. We will back our scientists to deliver an effective vaccine as soon as safely possible," he added.

The university said in a statement that it was "expected" that "some participants will become unwell" in large trials such as this one.

It added that the studies could now resume following the recommendations of an independent safety review committee and the UK regulator, the Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency.

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Len

bluenet
bluenet in reply to lankisterguy

Glad to hear trials are underway and safety is a main concern. I don't want anything rushed to market.

Justasheet1
Justasheet1 in reply to bluenet

bluenet,

1 adverse reaction to date from the vaccine and approaching 200,000 deaths from the virus.

I’ll risk taking the vaccine and your entitled to make your own decision.

But please post where you read these things so others can make up their own minds as well.

Jeff

bluenet
bluenet in reply to Justasheet1

Yes, we all must do what we feel is right for ourselves, and yes, the next time I read something I'll remember to save it so I can post where I read it. No problem.

Justasheet1
Justasheet1 in reply to bluenet

bluenet,

I wasn’t trying to lecture you and I apologize.

Jeff

bluenet
bluenet in reply to Justasheet1

I didn't take it that way. But, you're right. If someone says something they should have a link to the article or the name of the agency who stated it.

Tton46
Tton46 in reply to bluenet

That is right! We must do what we feel is right for us! Everyone is different!

Tton46
Tton46 in reply to Justasheet1

But the deaths are almost non existent now!

bluenet
bluenet in reply to Tton46

I just read this. This is in the USA........each state gets a certain amount of money per COVID case.beckershospitalreview.com/f...

Tton46
Tton46 in reply to bluenet

Yes and that’s one reason why if you test positive, then retest too soon and it’s still positive that counts as two cases and so on...

bluenet
bluenet in reply to Tton46

I wish everything about COVID was more honest. It's really discouraging.

lankisterguy
lankisterguyVolunteer in reply to Tton46

I'm sorry but the statement "But the deaths are almost non existent now! " is innacurate, there were 4,245 deaths yesterday world wide and approaching 1 million total, with the average for the last month well over 4,000 per day and showing no signs of decline.

For the USA we are averaging about 750 deaths per day, approaching 200,000 total and it has been stable for the last month with no signs of decline.

google.com/search?q=deaths+...

The USA has about 4.25 % of the world population and 20% of the COVID cases and nearly 19% of the recent deaths. worldometers.info/world-pop....

If you have a different source for your statement, please post a link to it.

Len

Tton46
Tton46 in reply to lankisterguy

Yes I will do that google is so liberal! The OSR Is OVER 99% though...

Justasheet1
Justasheet1 in reply to Tton46

If only that was true. There’s a saying that goes, “you don’t know what you don’t know and what you don’t know can kill you.”

Stay safe and healthy and believe what you want.

I do suggest that you review Dr Koffman’s post: When CLL meets Covid-19

healthunlocked.com/api/redi...

Jeff

A reminder that developing a vaccine is just the first hurdle. As highlighted here https//ft.com/content/a832d5d7-4a7... it's a monumental task to produce, distribute and administer vaccine in the quantities needed. The WHO estimates it will take at least until mid 2023 before 75 pct of the world is vaccinated, such that the pandemic is halted, and 4-5 years to eliminate the virus - that's if all goes well and we don't see the emergence of resistant strains.

National interests, which have already figured in the race to be first to complete trials of a safe and effective vaccine, threaten to subvert any notion of equal access for all countries. China is extending loans to "partners" ordering Chinese vaccines, which are expected to pass clinical trials this November/ December. Korea has pre-ordered 40 million shots plus another 20 million through the Covax scheme. India, home to the world's biggest vaccine manufacturer, has pledged to give top priority to 60 pct of its own population. The US government pumped 1.2 BN USD into Astrazeneca's vaccine project in return for securing almost one third of the initial 1bn production run. Wheeling and dealing before healing.

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