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Green tea ( ECGC ) recommend by some oncology specialists

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Alaoun, the article you link to doesn’t have an author listed nor does it name the oncologists you reference who support matcha powder.

My understanding of the science on green tea is that in order to get any real therapeutic benefit for Cll, one would have to ingest toxic amounts of ECGC.

The article reads more like an advertisement than anything else. I am always interested in natural remedies that might help, but the articles that support the remedies are often unsigned so there is no way to check the credentials of the author. On those where an author signs, it usually turns out the author has questionable credentials and or has some financial interest in the product being touted.

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The CLL doctor who ran the trial at the Mayo, cautions the use of OTC green tea, since it is far from pure and may contain banned pesticides and heavy metals... the quantity of EGCG varies widely as well, so dosing is very hard to achieve.

~chris 🇨🇦

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cujoe in reply toCllcanada

Agree with Chris' comments above. Here is Mayo's ASCO release of the results of the trial:

Green Tea Extract Appears to Keep Cancer in Check in Majority of CLL Patients

newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/...

Mayo used a pharmaceutical grade EGCG formulation made especially for the trial. There have recently been reports of liver damage from green tea supplements. This man's story is the one that got the most press.

Can Green Tea Extracts Cause Liver Damage?

theheartysoul.com/green-tea...

I was diagnosed just before the Mayo trial started and found out about the potential of green tea (EGCG) for treating/slowing down CLL progression. (via the now-defunct CLLtopics website) I have been taking various quantities of EGCG in supplements from various "reputable" supplement companies for most of the last 11 years. I also drink at least two cups of green tea daily and labs have shown normal liver function throughout that time.

What works/ed for me, might not for you - but it pretty safe to say that several cups of green tea is not going to hurt and might even help a bit.

Drink Up & Be Well - cujoe

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cajunjeff in reply tocujoe

Cujoe, I agree a few cups of green tea a day is not bad for you and might even have some benefit.

I was responding to a post that suggested oncologists (unnamed) were recommending green tea which then linked to an anonymous article that called green tea the "nectar of the gods".

The "article" appears not to be an article at all, but rather an advertisement for matcha powder that claims, among other things, that its a cancer fighter, is a "weight shedding machine", helps you meditate, cleanses the blood, controls diabetes and reduces anxiety.

That's a bit different than saying a couple cups of green tea might be good for you. My concern with such articles, that litter cancer forums, is that they target a very vulnerable population who might, at best, spend money on a largely unproven product, and, at worst, see this product as an alternative to science based treatments.

If its really the nectar of the gods it should make me taller, more virile and better looking too. :)

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cujoe in reply tocajunjeff

Sorry . . . MY BAD, as I should have read the link before posting!!! Unfortunately, all forms of green tea are heavily marketed for weight loss. In fact, that was the reason the guy who is suing Vitacost was taking it. Who knows how much he was taking - and for how long; i.e., if you need to lose a lot of weight, well let's try taking a lot of this "weight loss" supplement - that should work, shouldn't it?

But, hey, cajunman, if you do run across a legit "nectar of the gods", please pass it along to the rest of us. In the meantime . . . Be Well - cujoe

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cajunjeff in reply tocujoe

Cujoe, no worries. I have been trying girl scout thin mints to lose weight. It hasn't been working. Any idea how many thin mints I need to eat? :) It feels almost like they are making me thick instead of thin.

in reply tocajunjeff

I wonder if any other Girl Scout cookies could help me lose weight? I'm sure I could live on 6 to 8 boxes of Girl Scout cookies a day!

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SuzeJc

Does anyone know if the Mayo Clinic are going to do a phase three clinical trial? Has anyones specialist advised that they take green tea supplements?

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AussieNeilPartnerAdministrator in reply toSuzeJc

The manufacturer of polyphenon-E withdrew it from use in CLL and concentrated on other applications, such as genital warts: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pol... The Mayo Clinic study funding also came from members of CLL Topics. We also have a range of non-chemo treatments that weren't available when the phase I and II trials were conducted.

Neil

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SuzeJc in reply toAussieNeil

Thanks Neil

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