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Secret to running faster without getting tired (And it's not what you may think!)

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So this will not be a surprise to many long standing Bridge members , however it could be usefull as a reminder but also to the newer members of this forum .

Remember the 'Conversational pace' from C25K ! (Thank you IannodaTruffe )

Well, it's still the tried and tested way (amongst other things) of increasing your pace .

Check out this fairly recent video from the one and only James dunne.

youtu.be/VBWGAFInyjQ?list=P...

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SueAppleRun profile image
SueAppleRunGraduate1060minGraduate

Interesting, something to work on once i can run easy pace for 30 minutes again

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Instructor57Graduate10 in reply toSueAppleRun

And I'm sure you will get there 😁👍

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SueAppleRunGraduate1060minGraduate in reply toInstructor57

I’m determined to, it’s only really the pills that are making me so lethargic and I’ve begun to reduce those until i reach a place where i’m awake enough to do what i want with minimal pain 😀see, always planning me 😂

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Instructor57Graduate10 in reply toSueAppleRun

Fingers crossed you find that Ballance soon 🤞

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Jools2020Graduate10

That’s pretty much what I was doing - apart from lengthening my stride. I’ve always been a bit nervous about doing that, worried about injury I suppose.

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Instructor57Graduate10 in reply toJools2020

Yes, same ! (At one point anyway)Although probably not for long enough .

And yes, if anything I probably run with a shorter stride length for same reasons as you

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nowsterGraduate10

The lady running at 3:45 in the video needs different shoes. She's kicking back to the sides a little and her knees are almost knocking.

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Instructor57Graduate10 in reply tonowster

Certainly kicking back to the sides !

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nowsterGraduate10 in reply toInstructor57

That (but a lot more exaggerated) is how I used to run as a kid, with flat feet.

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OldflossAdministratorGraduate10

Interesting... Thank you.I love the long, slow easy paced run ... ( or did when I was doing them )! But I loved it too when we did the speed challenges on the Marathon and HM forum too, they were so useful for getting it going.

Currently, not even a Workhorse, as mentioned in the clip, ( 3.25) but more an old shire horse... but, come the day!

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Instructor57Graduate10 in reply toOldfloss

Yes, I used to also enjoy the slow longer ones but it's been a while for me also.I used to always follow this pattern of runs but got out of the habit since recent issues !

But as you say , come the day !

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OldflossAdministratorGraduate10 in reply toInstructor57

We will get there indeed.... I cannot wait to get back to my lovely Sunday, see where I get to, runs, but I expect the weather will be a lot, lot warmer by then 😉

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RoxdogGraduate10

Good reminder! James Dunne rules!

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Instructor57Graduate10 in reply toRoxdog

Yes, he's a great resource 👍

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Sandraj39Graduate10

James Dunne is great - thanks for this.🙂

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Instructor57Graduate10 in reply toSandraj39

Yes, he is always my first port of call if I want to know anything !

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Kevin41Graduate10

Thank you for sharing that. Cadence always seems to be a key but I’ve never seen such a simple explanation on how to increase/improve it.

It is noticeable that the faster runners on my Strava feed all have better cadence than me. I’m not particularly interested in being fast as I find slower ‘conversational’ pace runs much more enjoyable but it wouldn’t be too difficult to incorporate some of the video recommendations into my week so may just give it a try!

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Instructor57Graduate10 in reply toKevin41

Glad you found it useful!He is a great resource on most aspects of running , always my first port of call 👍

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GetfitordietryingGraduate10

Thanks for this. A very helpful explanation with good advice👍

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Instructor57Graduate10 in reply toGetfitordietrying

Glad it's helpful, James dunne is a great resource!

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tmbtrainGraduate10

Ah nice to see some skipping recommended there! I'm planning to incorporate some into every week.

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Instructor57Graduate10 in reply totmbtrain

Yes, I got a rope a couple of years ago but was always cautious of the fact it is another high impact excercises, so I picked my time to use it carefully.

Although it now been quite a while since I have used it 😐

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tmbtrainGraduate10 in reply toInstructor57

Yeah thats a good point actually. Wonder if theres any info on that aspect? I might have a look into that.

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Instructor57Graduate10 in reply totmbtrain

Although this article dosent metion jumping rope ÀND Running, it gives a few pointers about reducing impact and overtraining.

elevaterope.com/joint-pain-...

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tmbtrainGraduate10 in reply toInstructor57

Thanks for that. I've so far just read that skipping is high impact but also that its lower impact than running. That its good for helping with running and for cross training but nowhere on how to incorporate it safely into running training! There was one article that stated it uses a different gait to running so possibly impacting differently? Would really like to know if running then skipping on alternate days is a bad thing to do. I also thought this about cycling/hiking/swimming on running rest days. Thinking that they all use the same back and forward motion to do, so how can they be resting 🤔 Maybe I'm just overthinking this 😂

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Instructor57Graduate10 in reply totmbtrain

Yes, you are right there is nothing I have found either about skipping on run rest days.However you mention cycling , swimming and walking and all of those are low impact .

Yes you may still have the forward/backward movement of the legs but you are not subjecting yourself to the same impact through the joints as you woul when your foot lands from a running stride

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tmbtrainGraduate10 in reply toInstructor57

Yeah I can see they would give less stress on the joints so a good thing, but if the micro tears in the muscles are supposed to be being healed on rest days, it doesnt follow? For instance if running every day was going to cause a mid-calf injury strain, I'm now wondering how using the calf when cycling doesnt contribute to the strain etc. Same muscle but used slightly differently I guess? I really dont know 😆

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Instructor57Graduate10 in reply totmbtrain

I think the term 'Rest day' can be misleading!

A 'Non Running day' would be a far more accurate term as it is equally important that we don't spend the day (or two) between runs doing nothing .

This article may help !

active.com/running/articles...

We also need to distinguish here the difference between a 'New runner' and an experienced longer term runner that has developed to the point that they can safely sustain consecutive days of training

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tmbtrainGraduate10 in reply toInstructor57

Thats a really good article thanks! I think I can conclude from that a 10min skipping workout on a non-run day would count as a light workout day. Much shorter duration even if high intensity. I guess I can only try and monitor the effects! I've got Covid just now so this is all theoretical for now ha ha

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Instructor57Graduate10 in reply totmbtrain

Yes, I remember reading your post 5 days ago !Take care and come back gently !

tmbtrain profile image
tmbtrainGraduate10 in reply toInstructor57

Thanks I am wondering how it will go when i get back out there. For now I have plenty time to hang out on running forums 😄

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GailXrunning

Thanks for sharing this. That videocast was really helpful and very clearly presented. I liked the big-view, 3-part breakdown and the role of each aspect. I learned from every part, and especially about the second factor JD explains, the role of neuro-muscular ‘memory’… and the third part about the small extra lift of knees and heels. If only I could go out and try out all these tips!! Seeing his model runners heading through beautiful forests and up trails made me even more itchy! I’ll just have to close my eyes and practise some visualisations.☺️🏃‍♀️I’ve found a lot of good advice from JD’s site before - specific strengthening exercises, eg.

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YesletsgoAdministratorGraduate10

Thanks Instructor57 that was food for thought. When I worked out how to get my heart rate showing on my Garmin while I was running I slowed right down, but the other day I had one of those 'I can run like a gazelle' days and surprised myself with how much quicker I could go without dying (the fact it was 7 minute intervals probably helped too ;) ) Maybe I was inadvertently doing the aerobic training?Now I just need to work out how to do the other training without realising 😂

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Post-Op-Jogger

Good Morning Instructor57! This is a fantastic bit of advice! I think you should pin it!

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Instructor57Graduate10 in reply toPost-Op-Jogger

Good idea , it's now pinned 👍

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