Tamoxifen & alternate supplements

[Famz15]

Hi all,

I’m recently finding it extremely difficult to fall asleep at night. I’ve tried baths, essential oils to calm me, meditation etc no matter how tired I am I just don’t fall asleep and it’s so frustrating. As I lay there my mind just wanders too and it stresses me out and makes me sad.

I recently bought Valerian and Ashwagandha in liquid form.

I’m on tamoxifen and zoladex, premenopausal oestrogen positive breast cancer. Was wondering if it will interfere with my drugs? Has anyone taken it?

I don’t want to get any medication from the gp.

Please help! X

[Nfunna]

Hi. Do you know If I can have pomegranate while on this medication?

[Famz15 in reply to Nfunna]

I’m not sure about pomegranate but I have heard to avoid pink grapefruit. Please do check out the research on this.

[julie_]

Tamoxifen interrupts your sleep cycle. If you don't already, you should take it when you first wake. I don't have a problem taking medications on an empty stomach.

[Famz15 in reply to julie_]

Thank you Julie I will try this. I have been having them at night!

[lucydina42]

Try CBD oil. It may help and it won't interfere with meds.

[Caroline118 in reply to lucydina42]

My friend suggested CBD oil but for er+ cancer you have to research the correct balance of contents in it as it can feed the cancer.

[Famz15 in reply to Caroline118]

I didn’t find anything regarding this, do you have any links you can share for this please?

[Caroline118 in reply to Famz15]

I am on Jane McClellands Facebook page How to starve cancer and although there is no scientific evidence, there is a lot of anecdotal. Here is one extract from the page:

“THC can cause progression of some estrogen driven cancer cells lines as it indirectly promotes hormone production. Er+Pr+her2- is one such cancer cell line.

No one knows for sure what ratio of CBD:THC is required and it may very well vary between individuals. It’s commonly advised that 3:1 CBD dominant oil is best but being that CBD has been show in vitro to kill these cancer cells and anecdotal evidence supports that.

I’ve seen reports that 25:1 CBD dominant oil has shown the greatest results. It makes sense that if CBD doesn’t the heavy lifting with this cell line, and THC can promote production of hormones that drive the cancer, that just a small amount of THC for the synergistic effects on the endocannabinoid system are required.

I recommend starting with a 25:1 CBD over THC is the way to go and if no positive movement on numbers and scans after about 3 months, begin increasing THC content.”

This is a quote from the page and not my advice!!!!

I recommend joining the fb group as it shares knowledge about off label drugs and all cancers are discussed by the patients, with advice shared and supported. And also buying her book!

Also look into Nurse Kristin (fb name) as she has more knowledge on this.

Best wishes x

[Famz15 in reply to lucydina42]

I have been taking this since post mastectomy. Still having sleepless nights.

[Bagrat]

Trust me to be different. Since starting tamoxifen Nov 1st I've been sleeping better. Maybe a bit tired from radiotherapy though haven't noticed it in the day. Even supplements can be powerful, they obviously do something because they work so I wouldn't shy away from asking GP for help. A short course of tablets could break the cycle of insomnia. Having said that I wouldn't go down that route either unless desperate.

Best person to ask is your pharmacist.

[Famz15 in reply to Bagrat]

Thank you, I have been taking ashwagandha valerian and magnesium. Still no luck.

[Winnie13]

I’ve been taking magnesium to resolve my sleep issues and now sleep like a baby! Need at least 300mg! Xx good luck

[Famz15 in reply to Winnie13]

Thank you!!