Adcal needs D3

[fraid]

Thanks to all re above. I finally got to speak to Rx chemist, agreed should have D3 too, after all this time being on just calcium, so changed my meds. Seems you lot know more than dox!🤗

[Kaarina]

Unfortunately this is very true and sadly not only for osteoporosis. Thank goodness for forums and links that others provide to help us make decision for ourselves or at least to look after ourselves as best we can. It can be very testing at times.

[Fruitandnutcase in reply to Kaarina]

We know we need to take D3 and yet I can’t understand why we continue to see articles newspapers telling us we don’t need to be taking D3. I find that really bizarre.

I take 2000 ug of D3 ug in capsule form - I started when I had Graves disease then was told to take it when I developed osteoporosis. If I didn’t take it my levels would be rock bottom.

I test my levels regularly throughout the year. I use Medichecks but if I’m not testing anything else at the same time I use City Assays vitamindtest.org.uk/

[Kaarina in reply to Fruitandnutcase]

The newspapers are always saying one particular thing is the best thing to take since sliced bread to benefit ones health and the following week it is not at all. The list is endless! It is a big joke in our family! 😀

[HeronNS]

You should also consider taking a Vitamin K2 (not K1) supplement as this is an important vitamin for actually getting calcium into the bones.

[fraid]

Crikey, it’s taken me weeks to get to talk to surgery, don’t like to bother them atm as things manic. Can I buy it otc?🤔

[HeronNS in reply to fraid]

I don't see why not. It's just an ordinary vitamin, not a manufactured drug. It's hard to get in our modern diet because of the way we now raise and feed our animals, so they can;t make it for us. We can get it through grassfed animals, including free range poultry, but grainfed animals, it's a different story. A few months after I started taking it I discovered my hitherto very sensitive teeth had become much less so.

This is a fairly decent intro.

healthline.com/nutrition/vi...

[fraid in reply to HeronNS]

Thanks,seems jury’s out on that one. I don’t want to add things I don’t need so shall research a bit more. Always felt that taking supplements when not needed can cause more problems.🤔

[Kaarina in reply to fraid]

Many of us on here take K2 including me. I order it on line.

[Crystalbowl]

Hello fraid. I have been prescribed AdcalD3 by a GP for osteoporosis so it is a combination of calcium and d3. I don’t take vitamin K as I am on an anticoagulant in connection with my heart (AF and HF)and I think I have seen on here that you shouldn’t take vit K in that case. Hopefully someone will enlighten me.

[HeronNS in reply to Crystalbowl]

If you are on a warfarin type anticoagulant then it would be best if you try to find a good food source of Vitamin K2. Apparently there is some in fermented foods, and our body can convert some of our K1 (founnd in leafy greesn for example) to k2 (but usually not enough for our needs). However as far as I know there are new anticoagulants which are not affected by Vitamin K. Also there is a significant difference between Vitamin K1 and Vitamin K2. The first does have a main job of influencing the blood. The second, Vitamin K2, is much more interested in influencing bone health through proper storage of calcium into the skeleton. I've not been able to find really good research into this question, so please err on the side of caution unless a doctor gives you the go ahead. There may be research out there, but not being medically-trained it may not be something I can easily find.

There is an excellent book. Vitamin K2 and the Calcium Paradox, by Kate Rheaume-Bleue, but I can't remember if she specifically addresses the question of blood coagulation and Vitamin K2.

I know ordinary amounts of K1 found in food are generally considered safe for people on anti-coagulants, provided there are no unusual changes in the amount they consume, so I suppose that means if you're used to eating a leafy green salad, you'd get some K1 from that, some of which your gut may covert to K2, and you would also be getting small amounts of K2 from fermented foods, Plus small amounts of K2 from some cheeses (like Brie). The major food source of K2 is the Japanese fermented soy called natto, which is the source of the supplements we can get as its content is so high. It's the Japanese who noted the marked difference in bone health in people who ate natto regularly and those who did not, and discovered the benefits of Vitamin K2 in warding off developing osteoporosis.

[Crystalbowl in reply to HeronNS]

Thank you, Heron NS, for your comprehensive reply. Diet alone seems to be a very complex issue these days and when combined with various medications, even more confusing.

[Musicl in reply to Crystalbowl]

I am on Clopidogrel and my cardiologist says it's fine to take vitamin K2 MK7. I think it's the blood thinners like Warfarin that are problematic.

[Mavary]

I was put on a big dose of vitamin D when it was found in my blood test that my vitamin D had dropped a lot. I was put on 3,200 is it iu,s and have now been put on 800 permanently at the moment.

[Met00 in reply to Mavary]

Yes, that would be 3200iu, which is a fairly high dose, but not unduly so. Did your doctor check your blood level again before reducing your dose to 800? That seems a big drop if you were deficient beforehand. Were you taking a D supplement when your blood level was shown to be very low?

[Mavary in reply to Met00]

I don’t think he checked it. I just had to take them for so long then cut down. I’d never taken it before. I just had my Denosumab and calcium tablets. I seem to be on 800 iu permanently.

[Met00 in reply to Mavary]

It's normal (and almost always necessary) to be prescribed Vitamin D with a diagnosis of osteoporosis. However, 800iu isn't enough for everyone, but unfortunately doctors rarely recognise this. In the UK the "normal" blood range is 50-150nmol/litre, but many experts say it should be at least 75 and some say 100 or more. In the US you're considered deficient if your level is less than 75nmol/litre (30ng/ml)! I take 2000iu daily to keep my blood level over 100nmol/litre, but some people need that much to keep it at 75.

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I've been put on cal-D3 I also take vitamin k2 and magnesium glycinate 4

[Tlflom]

The docs in the USA have always (20yrs anyway) recommended D3. Plus othe minerals like zinc and magnesium. However, I recently became aware that the UK has recognized strontium ranelate where the USA has not. Interesting, for sure. We can only get strontium citrate.