Good morning all, I wonder if anybody has heard of a natural anti inflammatory vitamin called Glucosamine Condroyum? Being on blood thinning tablets (Rivaoxaban) means I can’t take ibuprofen, this natural vitamin was recommended to me for muscle and joint pains, hope someone can help.
Regards, Stuart
Dear footyfeind
Yes I have heard of it and have used it in the past when it was recommended by a friend, unfortunately it did nothing for me, but has done wonders for my little dog!
It is natural but highly processed, it is very important that you talk to your Dr/pharmacist about taking it with your other meds. If they pass it for you to try then I don’t see any problems trying it as it seems to work for a lot of people.
Take care and please keep us informed.
Thank you, will do
It's widely advertised for arthritis. It is not a vitamin though. Turmeric is excellent and you can add other inflammation fighting elements into your diets with fruits and vegetables.
Thanks for your help
Hello Stuart,
I asked my GP about Glucosamine years ago. He was absolutely against it for diabetics (I am a lifelong Type I). However, the jury is still out on this.
There have been reports of interactions between Glucosamine Condroyum and Warfarin a drug not dissimilar to Rivaoxaban that you take. I would strongly recommend you talk to you GP/cardiologist before taking. This advice applies to anybody on regular.medication.
BTW it is not a vitamin. I think this is poetic licence by the manufacturers and others.
Cheers, Michael...
Thanks for your help Michael
Another alternative, although not natural, that was recommended to me is Volterol, if you consider it then consult your GP/pharmacist to make sure it is suitable for you.
Voltarol contains dicloflenac which is an NSAID, and these should be avoided if you have any from of gastro problems. I found this out the hard way by taking a course of Ibuprofen tabs some years ago, and ended up with stomach bleeds and a very low haemoglobin count (which took some time to recover).
Hence why I stated “consult your GP/pharmacist to make sure it is suitable for you”.
And rightly so given the damage NSAIDs can cause to your insides if they don't suit you.
I was told by a medic that in gel form, for a short period, it would be fine FOR ME
I was told that the cream may be OK by a Dr as he knew I was allergic to the tablets, but I had a reaction to that too. I think some people are more sensitive to it than others.
Thanks for your help
I can't take anti inflammatories because of my s tomach. I get peptic ulcers just from aspirin but I do use an anti inflammatory gel, either voltarol or feldene with no ill effects on my stomach.
Thank you
Thanks for your help
Voltarol is just one of the brand names for diclofenac sodium which, as LowerField says, is a non-steroidal anti-inflammatory (as is Ibuprofen) which GPs do not like prescribing because there is an increased risk of thrombosis and gastric problems. Having said that, I've been on diclofenac sodium for about 40 years and believe it has kept my osteo arthritis under control, with no side effects at all. I've also taken Glucosamine for at least 15 years with no problems although I have Type 2 Diabetes as well. As others have said, you need a chat with your GP or your Pharmacist.
Not sure if that reply was meant for me?
Just to clarify what I said:
"if you consider it then consult your GP/pharmacist to make sure it is suitable for you."
"I was told by a medic that in gel form, for a short period, it would be fine FOR ME"
Thank you, very helpful!
Based on experience and not medical training, I think the product you've heard about is called 'glucosamine and chondroitin'. Healthspan market this as 'Chrondromax'. It's reckoned to be beneficial for some people with arthritis/joint issues when taken regularly in high dose i.e. approx 1200mg/400mg daily respectively. The chondroitin element is something that is thought helpful to strengthen the coating on our bones to keep them smooth and ease movement of joints. Some of this supplement is made from bovine sources and/or shellfish.The thing I discovered (I used to take this supplement daily) is that once on blood thinners (mine is apixaban), the advice is not to take this supplement at all. I was warned off high dose Omega 3 as well. Both are excellent for joints, both can increase the effect of blood thinners.
Here's some info from Saga about chondroitin: saga.co.uk/magazine/health-... there's a reference to glucosamine and other supplements at the bottom of that page as well.
I was advised to switch to high quality (bones in) tinned whole sardines/mackerel twice a week for the omega 3 and add milled chia seeds to soups/stews. Unfortunately, the only way to obtain some chondroitin naturally from food sources is to eat food containing gristle and connective tissue from animals. It also seems that taking vitamin C helps our bodies create these essential substances, though our ability to manufacture them reduces as we age.
Finally, you haven't mentioned this supplement, but Turmeric is often regarded as the 'go to' natural remedy for its anti-inflammatory properties. Turmeric absolutely should not be taken while on blood thinners. My pharmacist was somewhat strident about that!
Basically, any remedy that has anti-inflammatory properties might increase the effect of blood thinners, even something as seemingly harmless as lavender oil. As others recommend, check with your pharmacist/specialist/GP to find a safe pathway for you.
I'm on blood thinners, ticagrelor, as well as aspirin, my cardiologist is ok with me being on turmeric, it's easier in capsule form otherwise dosage will change. I include it on my medication list. But of course, everyone is different, depending on your heart condition, it might not be suitable. Take care. Moni
Thanks for your perspective Moni. As you say, everyone is different and each should certainly take the advice of a medical specialist/pharmacist in preference to anything I might post. My offerings are always based solely on personal experience and medical advice I've received pertaining to my own history and situation; I have no medical training whatsoever.
Thank you
I would also search opinions of wide range of drs online. Also useful to find other forums where more natural approaches have been tried and look at experience from users. In most regards whatever you are taking the dose is crucial - so eg low dose aspirin plus a natural alternative may well be ok.
Thank you
Thank you
I was recommended to take Glucosamine by my GP who was a Rheumatologist for my osteoarthritis but he said you need to take at least 1g of the active ingredient daily for at least a month to be able to see any difference. Worked for me. I take Apixaban and not had any problems but you do need to check. Unfortunately, in my experience, most doctors unless dual trained Nutritionists or Lifestyle Docotors know little about nutritional supplements and pharmacists nearly always just look it up and you can do that for yourself - I find this site very useful but the ‘official’ line is ‘ask your doctor or pharmacist’ so best to comply.
webmd.com/vitamins/ai/ingre...
It does mention interactions with Wafarin but not Rivaroxaban.
I take Glucosamine with Condroitin. 2x1000mg daily to get the 1000mg of Glucosamine Is that what you meant?
I also take Resveratrol which is a food supplement of distilled purple plants - beetroot, black grapes etc. It is a strong antioxidant and anti-inflammatory. Whilst I take Glucosamine every day, I only take the Reseveratrol when I have a flare. HOWEVER it is listed as interacting with Rivaroxaban unfortunately.
Rivaroxaban and Wafarin work in completely different ways - Wafarin is a Vit K antagonist whilst Rivaroxaban works on the clotting cascade at a much earlier stage on factor Xa.
Hope that helps.
Thank you everyone
Actually my GP is the same when I asked about supplements with medication, told me she doesn’t understand why the manufacturer s of supplements say to ask Doctors advice as they have no idea about supplements!!! Told me I could look it all up as she would do.. as for turmeric told me to put extra in my food.
Thank you that’s very helpful
PS - Tumeric as a food is OK with many anticoagulants but supplementation in a concentrated form can cause problems in some people. I enjoy a Tumeric Latte whenever I can and use it a lot in cooking. You would need to consume 6g of Tumeric to get the same amount of active ingredient that is in a supplement but less is sometimes more, IMHO. Hope that helps.
I took it for years certainly helps with arthritis pain
I have heard that supplements should be avoided if on apixaban, I enquired regarding turmeric but cardiologist was very adamant I shouldn’t. I have arthritis and take cocodamol for the pain but it doesn’t work as well as diclofenac used to before anti-coags. However even that has long term renal and cardiac risks. I’ve said it before our bodies are like symphonies, each system playing it’s part to make it all go beautifully….but one bum note snd the whole thing suffers! Take care❤️
I have used it for joint pain, and found it to be good. It was one of a few things natural things I was taking so it's hard to say what it was like on its own i have joint pain and nerve pain, but I did notice the difference when the bottle ran out. I'm allergic to the full range of anti anflamatories I'm not taking blood thinners. Turmeric is good for pain relief too and widely used especially in Indian cultures. I make my own capsules with a sprinkle of black pepper in, there are how to videos online, but you can buy them ready made. Cayenne pepper also good I make those too. My gp prescribes a cream periodically when I need it made out of cayenne pepper. Capsaicin I think it's called. It's an alternative to ibrufen cream, and volterol etc it doesn't contain anti inflammatory drugs.
Hi my doctor recommended this for my knee arthritis I took it many years and 18 years on I'm still walking ok apart from winter and if over do it, but my knee pain has been worst recently since I havnt had the tablets I have been unable to get them and must get some, the doctor said she has good feedback from her patience hope they work for you
Also I find swimming in warmish water helps and a lot go there just for there aches
After doing quite a lot of research, I decided to take Turmeric for joint pain and I have found it to be excellent. I always take it with my main meal as per the instructions given with the product. There has been no noticeable interaction with my medication, but I am only on minimal doses anyway. Overall I've felt the benefit when I do my hill walking.
I took glucosamine for many years, and chondroitin, and Omega 3.Not sure if it did much good, but I don't have much arthritis anyway (so maybe it did). I think that it is a long term therapy, so it's unlike an NSAID. I don't take any of them now, since I am on Rivaroxaban and better to be safe than sorry.
The local Rheumatologist though believes that long term use is beneficial. As has been pointed out, some of the ingredients are either fish or animal based, so may not be suitable for everyone.
Marilyn Glenville is a well renowned natural health practitioner of many years. Of course consult your GP, but many dissuade people from natural health treatments as they know nothing of them.
I use arnica gel for aches n pains. Aloe Vera gel for burns and skin issues.
Snap. Although I also occasionally use Ibuprofen gel, as my cardiac rehab team told it's ok to use it topically but not regularly.
The best anti inflammatory is reducing blood sugar and insulin in the blood ... fasting , cutting out bread white pasta and ric etc! Everyone wants a pill and lack strength to take control of there diet properly.....do it!
On joints tho organic Peptides Collagen is great but takes time to have effect
Good luck
Glucosamine with chondroitin; regularly used for inflammatory arthritis. Not used it myself but vet has prescribed it for my elderly dogs. Their movement was much improved which would suggest they had less pain. The dogs got much better results from a canine treatment called Yumove; in fact so good that my husband used t he human version 'I Move' for his knees. It has glucosamine and natural chondroitin from green lipped mussels and hyaluronic acid.
Glucosamine and chondroitin are not a vitamins, they are components of cartilage. They are recommended for preventing joint damage. They are not pain killers. Chondroitin is not recommended if you take blood thinners. Have a look at the following link. As usual, talk to your doctor before taking anything new :versusarthritis.org/about-a...
Thank you for the advice, it’s much appreciated
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