One month ago I had a successful cardioversion having been in persistent AF since Easter and am feeling much better for the first time in months. Ive also had MRI and CT scans of heart and various heart investigations which showed I had myocarditis probably caused by catching Covid and still suffering from long Covid. Ive read that the Covid vaccine can cause myocarditis and AF as a reaction so am unwilling to take another dose. Please advise.
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Hi Midnight2022
Thank you for posting here. Unfortunately, your question is quite an important medical one and should probably be answered by someone with the medical qualifications to do so.
I hope there is someone on this forum who may have had myocarditis like you who may be able to tell you the medical advice they were given, but as you may have seen here posts about covid and whether to have the jab or not can lead to some unpleasant arguing.
How about calling one of the AF nurses on the forum. I don't have their telephone number, but I'm sure someone else here could provide it.
Jean
What an awful dilemma for you. I would get as much advice as you can from someone who is qualified medically with your existing health problems. I would take your time on this one, as not something to be rushed into lightly and so get as many opinions as you can before you make a decision. I wish you well.
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Not a medic, all I can say in your shoes I would not undertake any risk strategies. I would also research dealing with Long Covid and prophylactic measures, you might wish to start here covid19criticalcare.com/tre...
Hello Midnight2022, I can only comment from my own experience and I'm not a medical practitioner but my cardiologist in London confirmed, after extensive tests, that my AFib and myocarditis was caused and triggered by the Covid vaccine back in May 2021. Prior to that I was fit and healthy, BMI of 20.5, swimmer, non-smoker, non-drinker with a healthy diet and no health issues at all. His advice going forward was not to take the Covid boosters which is what I've done. I've had two bouts of Covid in the last two years, both very mild with symptoms for 3 days, so I've been lucky not to have ongoing side effects, nor a triggering of an AFib episode or indeed long-Covid as you have. But I think it's a case by case consideration - that conundrum of the lesser of two evils in your case given how you're still suffering from the effects of Covid. Specialist medical advice on this feels absolutely vital. Good luck.
I wager your cardiologist wouldn’t put that conclusion in writing. Talk is cheap.
Probably can’t put it in writing because the powers that be would have him disbarred from practicing medicine. It’s disgusting.
Thank you for sharing your experience. It helps build a picture.
People are v different in their response to the vax. I had my 6th on Tuesday (Pfizer) and don’t even have a sore arm and in fact have never reacted to any previous although some do get a nasty response. I got Covid mildly twice in the last year so probably the vax helped. It’s a difficult one so advice definitely needed from your cardio
You seen to have made your mind up. We can't give medical advice. Ask a pharmacist or doctor. I shall be having the booster and a flu jab. I have not had Covid. I have not had influenza for about forty years.
If I had made my mind up I wouldn't be on here seeking all your thoughts!!
If you already have long Covid you need to talk to a medic. Has your GP contacted you? Mine has and I've made an appointment for both covid and flu.
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Good luck!
Every vaccine produced is playing catch-up… thanks to those who repeatedly get jabbed .. the virus “learns” how to survive .. and mutates accordingly… ever wondered why Dr David Tyrell from the Harvard common cold research unit spent 40 years trying to create a successful vaccine against the common cold?He realised after 4 decades.. it’s impossible because each vaccine makes any coronavirus “swerve” and mutate…
You are never going to beat it .. but vaccines may beat you…wish I was wrong…. try researching Gert Vanden Bosch.. he explains this principle very well.
Palpman• in reply to
Gert vanden Bosch aka Doomsday Prophet. 
My son had myocarditis just before the pandemic and neither having the vaccines (he has had all of them going as also immuno suppressed) or catching Covid affected him. He doesn't have Af so I think you would be better placed to ask advice from your consultant or cardio nurses. I know someone who has the new strain of Covid at the moment and it is far worse than the strain we all caught back in April so would want to avoid that if I could - this of course can also cause Af - so it is a hard decision to make. We are back to wearing FFP2 or FFP3 masks when shopping and in crowds.
I have Covid as we speak and it is different from Omicron albeit I don’t think it’s worse persay. The difference for me is it’s more of a stomach flu versus a cold. I do have a cough but not a particularly stuffed nose. Just describing my experience.
The chances of getting myocarditis from the vaccine are vanishing small compared to getting it from actual Covid. The World Service More or Less programme had a whole podcast about this. However, your case is not typical so I should ask your cardiologist and /or GP. X
• in reply toJajarunner
Really?Good advice comes from those who on the front line.
Before 2020 it was I in 1,000,000 in America
Very rare … since 2022 that number has changed for the worse..research Dr Peter McCullough one of the best Cardiologists on this planet… if you still think it is rare after listening to any of his talks I would be amazed.
Poochmom• in reply to
Love Dr McCollough. I have followed his protocol since day 1. Very good doctor. And has common sense not government speak.
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I am of the same opinion… the ones to listen are the ones who about the people.. not the vaccine.
Batigol• in reply to
so how much has it increased? when dealing with millions and stating 1 in that number the percentage is very small. Increases in those sort figures will still end up being a tintiny percentage.
I just did some research people who have had covid are 7x more likely to have myocarditis Than the group who had the vaccine that was from the NCBI website.
While it can never be proven, the onset of my AF coincides, with four doses of the mRNA vaccine, Moderna. I will never take another shot. Although I am 75, I am/was a strong, athletic woman.
• in reply toLiliH
Sending my sincerest thoughts…
There is a protocol that will help reduce the severity of your symptoms .. if you would like me to provide links please PM me.
I think you know what to do… asking people who are no wiser than a first year student in medicine .. if it’s a good idea to take a vaccine associated with myocarditis is abit redundant.
The data shows that 1 in 10,000 are now experiencing heart related issues since the vaccines started… before 2020 the incident of myocarditis was 1 in 1,000,000.
Information easily gleaned from Dr Peter McCullough a very prominent cardiologist in Texas (Courageous Discourse … Substack.com) who has been shouting from the rooftops for over a year.)He just spoke in Europe and laid out the truth.
If you go to your own Doctor they will be unable to speak freely.So it’s up to you to find out.
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Do you not wonder why it is that Dr Peter McCullough is one of the few doctors who can apparently see "the truth"?
I suppose you know that he is now Chief Scientific Officer of a company that sells supplements to support natural immunity!
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One point..once you take this vaccine your natural immunity is down regulated… because it is overwhelmed .. thereby unable to deal with natural pathogens too.Papers now on pubmed show this to be true.
The “truth” comes from the ever increasing fallout… no one knew at first because measures were put in place to ignore red flags…now the elephant is too big..He is a cardiologist and is not afraid to speak out nor is Aseem Malhotra (UK) you see these are doctors who supported the vaccine but over the course of time .. the data is showing a certain level of harm is being caused… the data supporting this is unquestionable..most Doctors are afraid to speak out because they will lose their licences… they have tried to take Dr McCullough but they can’t because he has data to support everything he says… then the medical insurance companies are reporting record levels of injuries.. research Ed Dowd… wonder why so many people are off sick? … it’s not Covid .. it is the product deemed safe and effective.. so why are more and more people not taking the latest boosters?
The wellness clinic is using nattokinase known to reduce spike protein damage… the body normally deals with the corona spikes which enter the body through ONE organ.. the lungs .. but somehow a scientist thought let’s put a small part of the spike to enter the body via an injection that overwhelms the whole body at the same time.. the body does not recognise it or how to deal with it because it’s got past the natural defence systems.. it’s a total disaster and anyone who thinks it isn’t .. has swallowed the lie.
Poochmom• in reply to
Thank you!
• in reply to
Anyone interested in Dr Peter Mccullough’s devastating presentation to
European council for health… its here…
Auriculaire• in reply to
Maybe that is because he like Pierre Kory and Paul Marik have had outstanding medical careers destroyed by the medical establishment ( mafia) because they dared to speak out against the consensus. I am sure they would prefer to be continuing in their roles as leading and respected cardiologist and ICU specialists - careers which they loved and were highly successful in. But that has been removed from them. What do you expect them to do - go on the dole?
Poochmom• in reply to
He is now, but he was not when this started. He spoke the same then as he does now. His company is trying to help people avoid the pitfalls of this Covid debacle.
Auriculaire• in reply to
There was a very interesting study done in Israel by one of the big medical insurance companies there on ambulance call outs for cardiovascular problems like heart attack and stroke which compared those during the prevaccine covid waves and the period during and following the vaccine roll out. Guess which one had more? There have been studies done since myocarditis was first noticed in young men in various countries which have shown that for young men and women there is more risk of myocarditis after the vaccine than with covid. This might not be the case for older age groups but I suspect vaccine caused myocarditis is under diagnosed in them and gets lost among more general ill health . You can't really ignore it in previously healthy teenage boys especially if they collapse on the sports field. The effort to dismiss it as " mild" and of no further consequence is also falling foul of reality with at least one study showing continuing damage to the hearts of young men several months after diagnosis.
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Yes Israel was the first country to use Pfizer only…as long as they agreed to share the unfolding data with Pfizer and no one else… Non disclosure agreement for one purpose … hide any adverse data from other countries…the cemeteries in Israel have many more mounds of earth “containing “young men and women and now the people are speaking up… enough is enough…
Big red flag for me .. the military in all countries mandated the vaccine except one… China..they knew when they “sent” the genome of the so called virus by email to USA … it had four crisper insertions .. which the cdc denied … but it is beyond doubt.. this virus is not zoonotic.. but created in a test tube…the only army still fighting fit is in the same place as Wuhan…. But hey ho… it’s all tosh when you speak to the sheep.
Auriculaire• in reply to
Yeah but it didn't turn out that well ( the agreement) because a few whistle-blowers thought that people had a right to know what the government and Pfizer were trying to keep under wraps.
I really think the internet and social media in particular has not helped us over what to do about covid vaccination. This is surely because the disease has proven to affect insufficient people badly enough for a general consensus to form rationally. And thank goodness that it so, especially that it generally affects the young lightly. It would have been hell otherwise. We were spared that much.
Instead, the lack of severe cases has allowed the conspiracy theorists to have a field day. I can’t forget that these are the very same people who are often also against the MMR vaccine, jet vapour trails (“contrails”) and western liberal governments in general. And much more.
Myocarditis from the vaccine has occurred in a tiny number of young men, mainly, across the world. It seems to be self limiting most often and, let’s hope, of little consequence overall. Of course, for some it has been a disaster.
Serious side effects are a feature of taking medical treatments: a very few will suffer badly but the vast majority will benefit (and, in the case of the Covid vaccine, the NHS critical care facilities have avoided once again being overwhelmed).
On balance, I think we should take the vaccine since it produces a high level of useful antibodies that will help us avoid severe Covid, ARDS and serious immune system and major organ problems. There is evidence however that - if already vaccinated or having suffered the disease - we likely already have those important antibodies and even without a booster are protected sufficiently against severe disease. The evidence I can find on that isn’t all that clear sadly.
But, your case is special and different. I would try to have a good talk with your GP for advice. Bad luck that you have suffered.
Steve
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A tiny number of men? Even if it was one in 100,000 (it is) a population of 350 million..(USA) means 3,500 people now have myocarditis ..(do you feel lucky?)that’s just one country.. add the rest of the planet.. it’s not a small number… is that acceptable?
Most of these reports were dismissed in order to keep the vaccine rollout full steam ahead… but really .. to now try and ignore the actual numbers of injury and death still occurring .. is beyond idiocy.
Ppiman• in reply to
I believe that it certainly wouldn’t be if the number afflicted badly by Covid hadn’t overwhelmed the world’s critical care facilities.
It wouldn’t be if the numbers afflicted were still the same as initially when it wasn’t a recognised side effect in a particular young male population.
It wouldn’t be if millions upon millions of people had had no important side effects from the vaccine.
What I’ve come to accept is that the unfortunate aspects, indeed sometimes the mistakes, of medicine, are a balance that can only be weighed by those who are best informed and, sometimes, sadly, over time. It’s my view that we have to be studious and sceptical but in the end, to trust in science and our genuine medical experts.
Steve
But there was no need for young people to get the vaccine in the first place as most were hardly affected by an infection. But even after it was known that the vaccines were not preventing transmission the lie of "do it to protect society" was still perpetrated to encourage vaccine takeup among younger age groups and in some countries all people over 12 had to have it in order to participate fully in society. That was the case here. Young adults had to get it to keep their jobs. What has happened with covid is that the young have been sacrificed for the old not just in the matter of getting unneeded jabs but with lockdowns and school closures.
I doubt France is a unique exception but the actual government figures for bed occupancy in ICU and critical care due to all kinds of diseases show that even during the height of the pandemic pre vax these facilities were nowhere near overwhelmed by covid patients. That is what the figures show - not the media reports which did their utmost to paint the opposite picture. The UK situation was possibly different but I remember the media especially the BBC seemed to go out of their way to find young people who had died of covid and present this as something that could happen to anybody when in fact the cold stark figures show that it was extremely rare. This sort if reporting is now known as fear porn and pops up every autumn now with tales of woe over the latest variant.
This really has to stop. Someone came on this site looking for ADVICE but in the end all that has ended up is the usual COVID bickering backwards and forwards (and yes I was guilty of this). It's just like the Brexit argument. It certainly isn't bringing out the best in us. It's time to draw a line under this and accept that no matter what statistics are presented either way most of us have our views which in all likelihood won't be swayed. This forum was a huge support to me when I first showed signs of afib, before proper diagnosis and was very afraid. Arguing amongst ourselves isn't helping those seeking help and assurance.. in fact the contrary.
You do not own this forum and it is not for you to tell others what they can and cannot post. None of my posts were addressed to the person who started the thread but to Jomico , PPI man and Blue Hamster. Nobody forces anybody to read my responses. There are people who post here whose responses I never read because they are invariably incoherent . I just scroll past. Anybody can just scroll past my posts when they see my name. What you are trying to do is impose censorship.
My reply wasn’t intended as a reply for you personally. It was for all of us. I clicked on reply at the end of your posting in error. If you scroll down you will see I posted it further down in general. I certainly cannot see that my reply is in any way censoring anyone. I was merely asking each of us to maybe respect each other’s differing points of view “invariably incoherent” or not. But there we are …..
I did see that you had posted the response further down. Calling for respect for other people's point of view with the aim of silencing dissenting opinions is advocating censorship imo.
Ah well … there was no hidden agenda in my posting but no point taking this any further. I leave the floor to you.
I’m sorry but anyone who “trusts in the science” at this point is ignorant or a sheep. I don’t believe anything “science” says anymore, especially if it comes from Big Pharma or the government.
• in reply toPpiman
Do not shoot the messenger…
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His speech is based on real facts… real truth…your choice .. your body.
Ppiman• in reply to
Shall we play ping pong? 
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This is my last post in this now debased thread.
Steve
Out of date stuff again. Several of the so called debunks have been contradicted by more recent studies - particularly thr length of time spike protein found in the body.
I would definitely speak to your cardio team if possible - they gave me some interesting insights when I was debating whether to have the initial vaccine. I've had none, had covid back in Dec '21 - recovered and not been ill since.
TracyAdminPartner
Please contact your own doctor for their medical advice. The members or of the Forum are able to share their opinion but unable to provide medical evidence.
When my surgeon asked me if I had any of the Covid shots, I said, “No.” He said, “Good girl.” I have had Covid three times. It does seem to aggravate my AFib; my pulse hit 150 for a while and then settled down. I felt like I had the flu for a few days.
• in reply to300SL
They “know” they just can’t say!
I have Covid now. It’s like the stomach flu this time. I had a MiniMaze last year for AFib so my heart hasn’t been affected that way but my heart rate has been higher than normal. I don’t know if part of that is dehydration or just from being sick. I’m on day 5 and getting better everyday.
I had one J and J vaccine in 2021. Won’t have anymore and won’t touch the mRNA with a ten foot pole.
If be aware for sure. My AFIB started shortly after my Covid injection and I’ve never had heart issues my entire life as well as no family history.
This really has to stop. Someone came on this site looking for ADVICE but in the end all that has ended up is the usual COVID bickering backwards and forwards (and yes I was guilty of this). It's just like the Brexit argument. It certainly isn't bringing out the best in us. It's time to draw a line under this and accept that no matter what statistics are presented either way most of us have our views which in all likelihood won't be swayed. This forum was a huge support to me when I first showed signs of afib, before proper diagnosis and was very afraid. Arguing amongst ourselves isn't helping those seeking help and assurance.. in fact the contrary.
The BBC is funded by British Tax payers. So that's one fact you have wrong already 😁
• in reply toJajarunner
Read and weep.. this is from the BBC itself..
bbc.co.uk/mediaaction/about...
Bill Gates is paying 20,000,000 dollars over five years ..
philanthropynewsdigest.org/....
sure licence payers fund too.. so why do privately run foundations deem it necessary to buy loyalty?
Batigol• in reply to
do you realise that this the charitable arm of the bbc that ensures news is supplied to people around the to inform them and help them. If you read on, guess you spend a lot of time on the Web, then you would have seen this and that they abide by the bbc impartial editorial guidelines.... then again that doesn't fit the narrative?
• in reply toBatigol
Actually I was replying to a post that tried to tell me the only funding the BBC get is through the licence fee.. that is untrue and you probably know this..
It isn’t the money they receive or where it comes from…it’s what they say or to whom… and what they do not say..the narrative has always been pro-vaccine even though some of their own have succumbed.. my only wish was open and transparent dialogue .. .. unbiased reporting… but it is easy to see the BBC only have one opinion.. . This has caused people to be unaware of the problems occurring.. that is unacceptable .. and if you think that’s fine.. then god speed .. I didn’t take one vaccine because I realised things were not what they seem.. sadly three members of my family are dead because they believed the ONS and the BBC… and if you wonder why I am even trying to open ears and eyes.. it’s because I lost family members… thankyou.
I can't prove that I got myocarditis from my 2nd Pfizer, but I was not tested for it. I wish I had been. What I do know is that after my first ablation I was AF-free until I had my Pfizers (only because of essential international travel for my husband and me). After my second shot I was short of breath for a month. My cardiologist gave me a deferral for any more. Then a few months later I had a massive AF attack. I have since had a second ablation. None of my many doctors involved in my heart care dispute the connection to the vaccines anymore.
My adverse effects weren't only heart related, many of my other pre-existing conditions were triggered as well and are now worse.
We do well to remember that shots aren't the only Covid care available. Our study group developed our own protocols. Most, if not all of us, got sick during Delta and Omicron but we all recovered. Many did not have any shots and none of us have had Covid again since. None of us plan to have any more shots.
Best wishes.
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