Magnesium

[Samazeuilh2]

I’ve regularly been given magnesium in the form of a powder dissolved in water here in the Basildon Cardiothoracic Centre. When I asked one of the nurses why, she said “it’s good for AF”. I know that many people here take a magnesium supplement here for that reason but I thought it would be useful to get a bit more information from a cardiologist to see if there is an optimal formulation, quantity etc.

[BobD Volunteer]

Dr Sanjay Gupta of York Cardiology advises Mg Taurate.

[Walras in reply to BobD]

Do you know what dose is usually thought best for A-Fib? Thanks

[BobD Volunteer in reply to Walras]

No idea but too much gives loose bowels.

[Singwell in reply to Walras]

Check out the YouTube resource Bob suggests. High potency twice a day.

[Electricblue1 in reply to BobD]

does magnesium spray on the skin work just as well.

[BobD Volunteer in reply to Electricblue1]

Some people think so. Never tried it, been taking Mg for years and no idea if it works or not! If you think it will it may well do.

[philologus in reply to Electricblue1]

That's what I use and it works. There's one for sensitive skin too.

If you know anyone who suffers from cramp it works really well for that too.

In both cases just spray it onto a large muscle and gently rub it in.

[Camelia23 in reply to BobD]

I bought some magnesium from Holland and Barrett a couple of months ago after a year of Viridian mag citrate. The H&B was buy one get one free. I've just looked at label and it says contains mag oxide which I notice isn't listed in any post in this discussion. Is it rubbish or just not recommended?

[BobD Volunteer in reply to Camelia23]

Mine are H and B 375mg. I think they do two types, citrate and oxide and citrate is better supposedly. As a cynical old git I think it is all in the mind anyway and if you think it will work it probably will. I just buy what I see first and has the best offer. lol 😁

[Camelia23 in reply to BobD]

Thanks BobD

[JOY2THEWORLD49]

Hi

I have had AF with stroke and Thyroid cancer in the same week 2019.

I am aware of each AF person needing a good level of Potassium.

Surely Potassium naturally found in food is better. E.G banana.

Also Potassium overdose is common on supplements.

cheri. JOY. 73. (NZ)

[CDreamer in reply to JOY2THEWORLD49]

The post is about Magnesium.

You are correct in that taking a Potassium supplement could cause overdose and should never be undertaken unless under medical supervision - many people will have Magnesium deficiency because of modern agricultural practices and intensive farming so consequently would benefit from supplementation. As Bob says, the worst that could happen is you would be attached to a toilet if you overdose.

Cows suffer from Magnesium deficiency and often die if not recognised early enough.

[JOY2THEWORLD49 in reply to CDreamer]

Hi

There is 37mg Magnesium in a banana and lots of Potassium.

So what are you going on about.

I also eat nuts, avocado, dark choclate and organic cocoa etc

20mins in sun early morning most days and natual calcium foods. B12 via Solgar gold top supplement. I keep this at 400-500 takind 2-3 days of 1 nugget under tongue.

cheers JOY 73. (NZ)

[CDreamer in reply to JOY2THEWORLD49]

The thread is about Magnesium. Your post talked about Potassium? That’s ‘what I was going on about’.

[Ducky2003 in reply to JOY2THEWORLD49]

The original post is about magnesium not potassium, which is why CDreamer responded to you.

[Threecats in reply to CDreamer]

I must say that I had been taking magnesium, in various forms, for many months to try and combat the regular runs of ectopics I was getting but to no avail. It was only when I started including a daily potassium supplement, in addition to the magnesium, that finally knocked my ectopics on the head. I was surprised, as I thought my diet was quite high in potassium - a daily banana, lots of veggies and some fruit, handful of nuts and seeds daily etc.

I agree that too much potassium is dangerous, hence supplements are limited to less than 100mg of elemental potassium. In addition, those with kidney problems, or who are on certain meds need to avoid supplemental potassium. Unfortunately for me, my GP isn’t remotely interested in nutrition/supplements as a way to health, so it’s self-experimentation or nothing!

[Sheepbreeder in reply to CDreamer]

Are you a qualified Vet or just repeating what you've read somewhere. Generalisations can be very misleading. The soils on my farm are especially high in Mg and can be low in Ph so I have to add Gypsum as well as lime to correct and ensure that my high welfare livestock thrive. Meanwhile I use Mg Taurate to moderate my AF - quite successfully.

[CDreamer in reply to Sheepbreeder]

I am not a vet but we had a very knowledgable farmer on the forum about 8 years ago who first introduced me to the subject as their land was Magnesium deficient.

It always impressed me just how farmers need to have a good grounding in science be able to work the land. Since I have read quite a lot about it from a Dr who both farms and studies nutrition. I was also married to a Horticulturist and involved in that business so I learned a little about soil testing but we were on peat.

Mg deficiency is a common nutritional disorder in plants that inhibits plant growth and development and eventually affects the yield and quality [2,16,17]. Mg scarcity is becoming an important concern in an intensive cropping system in which the soils are only fertilized with N, P, and K. It is also a critical issue in highly weathered soils, where it is subjected to potential leaching and interaction with aluminum (Al)

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

Where is your farm?

[SeanJax]

The adequate dosage is the one which does not give you loose bowels. It is empirical you have to find your own dosage since each person is different. The is no such thing as magnesium toxicity since excess will purge/filter by the kidneys right away provided your kidneys work well. The first drip we give to patient in ER to treat high heart rate in AF or other atrium arrythmia is magnesium along with the cardiazem drip. It is a classical protocol used everywhere. They did such a good job giving it to you at the hospital especially after your surgery.

[Tomred in reply to SeanJax]

hi seanjax ,could you please elaborate on the magnesium ,ie type and dosage etc thanking you.

[SeanJax in reply to Tomred]

glycinate or taurate would be fine. One capsule minimum of the bottle you bought at night when stomach is empty and another capsule during the day. Take it at night for vagal afibers and to help with your sleep since it relaxes your muscles and avoid the cramps too. Critical point here is a lot of people in the forum are taking calcium and vit D3. There is a competition between calcium and magnesium at the bowel level for its absorption so take calcium and magnesium apart two hours . For ectopics I notice magnesium helps tremendously and if you add potassium under the form of foods such as bananas or coconut water it suppresses almost ectopics altogether. Hope it helps. Make sure your kidneys function properly before taking any supplements evidently.

[Tomred in reply to SeanJax]

thank you

[Afibflipper in reply to SeanJax]

Just found this article which states there are 4 types of magnesium each has different benefits -thought you may be interested

??will high dose Mg Taurate have any positive/negative altering effects on Flecainide & Eliquis I wonder

clinical-reviews.com/uk/sup...

[fairgo45]

I take magnesium Glycinate 1 capsule 350 mg a day or should i say night as it helps me sleep as well and ive never had it affect the bowels

[Tarikor]

Magnesium is also required to absorb and use vitamin D3. Which is why many people who are D3 deficient do not benefit from supplementation when they are also Mg deficient. I only found out about this recently so started supplementing with Mg Chloride and Mg Citrate at the same time I take my D3 supplements.

[Tomred in reply to Tarikor]

also vitamin k2 in the mix

[Tarikor in reply to Tomred]

you are correct, I take a combined dose of D3 with vitamin K2, variant MK7 (which is the best variant of the K2 family of vitamins). I should have mentioned this as well, cheers mate.

[Countrydweller2]

That's amazing! Our doctors admit they know nothing about natural remedies. I was two years afib free when I was taking magnesium citrate, plus it cured insomnia and constipation. Unfortunately it stopped working then so I obviously had too much in my system then. When I suggested magnesium to my sister for insomnia it gave her palpations so obviously care is needed.

[Mermaid1919]

Hi, I take 200mgs of Magnesium Citrate daily and its calmed my ectopic beats down greatly.... I started off with 400mgs but that was great if I wanted to be stuck on the toilet for a while..!! I buy mine from a family owned health store as online they are full of bulking agents etc.... It makes interesting reading of the benefits of Magnesium and A/Fib.

[secondtry]

I am spending less on supplements and more on buying local organic food. In the UK and I am sure elsewhere there are a small number of farms selling direct to the Public that have exceptional credentials eg tablehurstandplawhatch.co.uk/ .

I treat supplements just like medicine in that you proceed with care and trial and error to find what suits you. In the early days of AF I had to increase Flecainide and supplements, now I find I am decreasing supplements and would dearly like to do the same for the Flec but too soon I think.

[Samazeuilh2 in reply to secondtry]

You are likely doing the right thing. I asked one of the docyors at the Cardiothoracic Centre, and they advised getting magnesium from food rather than supplements.

[a1anx]

I take approx 300gms of magnesium citrate daily. It has reduced my AF symptoms considerably.

[Octaviascout]

I was investigating Magnesium .. however I’m on verapamil which is a CCB. Not recommenced taking Magnesium as well ?

[Gladstone001]

As I have previously reported, I take 500mg Magnesium Glycinate (Taurate has got too expensive!) and 200mg CoQ10 Ubiquinol together with Vits D and B12. On the whole, my experimenting suggests that this combo helps eliminate ectopics and low level AF/AT.

When I occasionally get bad AF, I take extra magnesium and also use rehydration sachets (mix of ectrolytes/salts) - I find this is more effective than a PiP (Pill in Pocket ; Sotalol in my case).

[Auriculaire in reply to Gladstone001]

I take taurine alongside magnesium biglycinate. It works out cheaper and you have more control over the ratio. Since increasing the magnesium from 300 to 400mg a day and doubling the taurine I am going longer between afib episodes and ectopics have reduced.

[Ppiman]

I'd like her to show any worthwhile evidence for her claim. I have searched Google Scholar for some. Anyway, some swear by it, but it failed to help me and two friends at all.

All forms of magnesium have been shown to be pretty much equally well absorbed and all sufficiently well to increase blood levels - and any excess is excreted (hence the laxative effect with larger doses).

Steve

[Mak861]

I’ve had a successful (so far) ablation but still suffered from bad ectopics. Added in potassium to the magnesium I was already on and my ectopics have completely gone. I take a tsp full of Remag magnesium liquid in water every day and a single tablet of Solgar 100mg Potassium (a third of the recommended dose). Works for me!

[philologus]

20 mins in sun on a morning is very beneficial, especially if you do it barefoot. It sets your body clock for the day. That means that your body starts doing what it was designed to do at the right time each day, eg more energy when you are working, then it also knows when to shut down so that you can sleep better. - unless you sit in front of a TV or computer until bedtime.

[JOY2THEWORLD49 in reply to philologus]

Hi boberch

If you read I AM IN NZ and in the Far North where sunshine is abundant.

Research for Vit D shows 20mins in early morning in sun is sufficient of Vit D. We are so lucky.

Vit D remains in the blood for those dismal days.

Stop making assumptions. I am 4 x jabbed with COVID anti...... I am texted by my hospital to go and have another!

Why because in 2019 I suffered a stroke with AF - Ischaemic - Embollic and 4 days scan of carotid arteries showed a shadow on my thyroid. Then a biopsky showed a papillary tumour confirmation.

My test for Vit D is great, calcium great, B12 I have a deficiency so take Solgar B12 under tongue.

My meds are after throidectomy with 12 right lymph nodes removed

125 - 150mcg Synthroid 5-6am morning

120mg Diltiazem CCB Calcium Channel Blocker 7-8am

110mg PRADAXA (anticoagulant) 9-10am

1.25 Bisoprolol BB Beta Blocker 8pm

110mg Pradaxa 10pm

For Rapid Rythmnic Control and BP.

Colofac as necessary (constipation)

Flixonase as necessary (cyst shows in sinus on CT scan)

Polygel (4 times day Dry Eye no tears on blotter test)

Let this be a lesson Boberch not to make assumptions ever.

I remain limited in exertion but stop to refuel. Eat healthily, never smoked and for 30 years not drunk alcohol.

I am 73 in Nz as I state on the bottom of my posts.

cheri. JOY. 73. (NZ)

ex nurse, legal secretary and rehab volunteer worker

[philologus]

Early light ( not necessarily direct sunlight) contains more blue and it's that that triggers the body clock as it enters the eyes.

[philologus in reply to philologus]

It's an interesting thing to study.

Red light - including near infra-red - is predominant later in the day and this causes melatonin to be released. Wood and coal fires emit red light and so did the old type of light bulbs. Green light eases pain, blue kills bacteria, red penetrates deeper and helps to activate cells to produce ATP.

[philologus in reply to philologus]

Vitamin D is actually a hormone rather than a vitamin; it is required to absorb calcium from the gut into the bloodstream. Vitamin D is mostly produced in the skin in response to sunlight and is also absorbed from food eaten (about 10% of vitamin D is absorbed this way) as part of a healthy balanced diet. The liver and kidneys convert vitamin D (produced in the skin and taken up in the diet), into the active hormone, which is called calcitriol. Active vitamin D helps to increase the amount of calcium the gut can absorb from eaten food into the bloodstream and also prevents calcium loss from the kidneys. Vitamin D modifies the activity of bone cells and is important for the formation of new bone in children and adults.

[Shcldavies]

Magnesium supplements will help if you have low cell count magnesium, potassium supplements help if you have low cell count potassium. If you don’t they will not help. Blood count may not indicate cell count. Good chance you have a magnesium shortage, most do and very few know their cell count. The key thing with magnesium supplements is that we are all different in how we absorb it and trying different types may help find what is best for you. Magnesium oxide is best left out of it. Taking PPIs and alcohol limit the absorption of magnesium.

[Buffafly]

That obviously raised a lot of interest but what I’d like to know is what is the hospital giving you? They should be able to specify.