Magnesium

[groesclose]

I note that magnesium is suggested as a supplement that is helpful for atrial fiberation. There seems to be different forms of magnesium available. Can anyone suggest which one to try?

[Goldfish_]

Ten posts about this in the box on the top right of this page. Mag citrate, chelate, taurate, oxide, hydroxide etc.

Different absorption, prices and side effects

[groesclose]

Thanks, Goldfish. Minefield!

[traveler65 in reply to groesclose]

groesclose magnesium hydroxide is the same as Milk of Magnesia, --not good. Citrate is also not the best.

[rothwell]

Beccause of my af I have done a !of of research on magnesium and bought a book on the subject. Apparently the best way to absorb it is to take ionic magnesium. I get Good State ionic magnesium fom Amazon and take half a capful in a glass of water daily. I also have half a banana daily for potassium.

[Rellim296 in reply to rothwell]

Thanks for this, rothwell but I'm puzzled by the banana! Why only half?

Is there some reason not to eat a whole one?

Do you share a banana with someone else or save the second half for the next day?

Or do you eat half for the potassium content and then scoff the other half because you like bananas?

[rothwell in reply to Rellim296]

Ha ha ..half a banana because I'm overweight ...just fold the skin over it and eat next day! Also take VitB12 ...spray under the tongue. I take Omeprazole and this depletes mag. pot. and b12 which I think causes the AF as I don't have any other 'triggers'. Rarely have any symptoms and check my pulse rate many times a day with my Fitbit watch.

[Rellim296 in reply to rothwell]

Right!

[BobD Volunteer in reply to Rellim296]

cheered me up there Rellim.

[Oldcarol in reply to Rellim296]

Funny!!lol

[Elaine1951]

I have mag taurate 20 mg a day

[achillesfib in reply to Elaine1951]

I like the Taurate, but 20 mg? Thats not much. I take 300-600 mg per day depending on how Im feeling. I find it helps with headaches also.

[RetaMay]

I use Dr Carolyn Deans n get it shipped to Australia. No AF for 18 months. Might not be magnesium to thank but I'm sticking with it.

[achillesfib in reply to RetaMay]

Ive read her site, interesting. Good for you.

[Pollywaffle10 in reply to RetaMay]

Hi, I am also in Oz...since starting Mag Taurate I'm also free of AF for four months....keeping fingers crossed. I get mine from iherb. KEeping up with lots of water too!

[RetaMay in reply to Pollywaffle10]

Just had a look on iherb Pollywaffle and they have a couple. Can I ask which one you order. I also rub the tum with magnesium oil after my shower. There’s is out of stock but very cheap. Thanks

[Pollywaffle10 in reply to RetaMay]

CArdiovascular Research x180

125mg A$25.36 which should be about £14.00

[RetaMay in reply to Pollywaffle10]

Thanks. I’ll give it a go b

[achillesfib in reply to RetaMay]

Remag has been found to contain 33% less magnesium than the label lists. For such a high priced product, you would think as cheap as mag is they could at least cover the dosage. Im done buying from those crooks.

[Stephanietee]

Dr Sanjay Gupta, him of the wonderful you tube videos recommends magnesium taurate. You can get it from his web site but he admits to getting commission.. I got my first lotfrom Amazon but it is expensive. Comes from the USA. Need to research a bit more to get it cheaper.

Stephanietee

[Rellim296 in reply to Stephanietee]

Anyone one buys from is going to be making something out of it. Better maybe to fill the pockets of someone well respected than from anyone with an extremely dubious medical reputation.

[Pollywaffle10 in reply to Stephanietee]

Look at iherb...it's cheaper than Amazon

[Hidden]

I would say magnesium taurate, as I believe the taurine is beneficial. I take a compound with those two in and lots of other stuff e.g. Potassium which was recommended by my Naturopath, if you are interested it is called Nutri MegaMag Muscleze. Felt much better 2 years ago when I started it and as no AF have continued taking it but decreasing the amount slowly.

[rothwell in reply to Hidden]

Interested iin this product...which suppler do you use and bow often do you order it . Also what does your Naturopath say about b!old thinners? I don't take these but use supplements instead.

[Hidden in reply to rothwell]

Hi Rothwell, I use the Natural Dispensary, Stroud, UK. I discuss blood thinners with my cardiologist, at 63yo & male I have a CHADS score of 0 and my cardio is happy for me not to take any. I am not complacent though and take Krill oil daily, olive oil on various foods and try to drink more water (tip easier to do if you make it warm with just a splash of orange squash), as well as 1milex2 prepay brisk walks for better circulation purposes. If I may, I would be interested to know what supplements you take instead of BTs.

[rothwell in reply to Hidden]

Thank you. I am 69 and female with a chads score of 2 therefore a candidate for blood thinners. Took Rivaroxoban for 6 weeks ...blood in urine.....looked it up on internet ....scary side effects and court cases in US. Currently take Nattovena (nattokinase) fish oil,vitamin E and cinnamon in warm almond milk each night. It's a risk I take but new anticoagulants have no antidote and can cause internal bleeds. Have had AF for 3 years.

[BobD Volunteer in reply to rothwell]

There is no natural supplement which acts properly as an anticoagulant. This is not about thinning the blood it is about preventing clots from forming. Please don't play roulette with stroke risk. AF related stroke risk is not a joke or theory it is real and now. Please get this sorted out with your medical team.

[rothwell in reply to BobD]

I don't have a 'medical team'...have not seen a heart doctor since January 2014! Same thing for my friend who does take a blood thinner.Dont know where you live to have such a team but we live in the north of England... Does anyone care? I think not! Also I have so much info on lone paroxysmal afib I could probably write a thesis! But thank you for your reply.

[PeterWh in reply to rothwell]

Well you can go to your GP and get Warfarin.

[BobD Volunteer in reply to rothwell]

Oh I live nearly as far away from you as is possible in UK down in North Devon. I use the term medical team as few surgeries have dedicated doctors for each patient and it is buggin's choice. One really does need to be pro-active these days but there is no excuse for indolence on the part of doctors. It will cost the NHS far more if you have that stroke one fine day.

[PeterWh in reply to rothwell]

In addition to warfarin there are four or five other NOACs.

[Bagrat in reply to rothwell]

I liver in North Yorkshire. My GP practice is my team. Anticoagulation checked and monitored there. Partners are helpful and listen. Of course you also are part of the team and there should be mutual respect. I bang on about individual concepts of health which I believe are so important when you live alongside a long-standing anomaly like AF . My concept of health includes anticoagulants but NOT statins. Any info we gather informs our perception BUT there is research showing how we are biased towards info that supports our beliefs!!! Humans and their minds are fascinating.

Be well Wendy b

[emsling in reply to BobD]

Hi Bob. I have started taking half of a magnesium with B12 from Amazon because the whole one is 370 mg and the recommended doses I read is 320 daily. But I read also that magnesium lowers BP too and do take perindopril daily . My GP is around 130/75 now. I do have a very irregular GB but also a slow one around 45 never higher than 55. I don't feel any symptoms but is it advisable for me to take magnesium at all?. Thank you for your advise . This forum and the nice people have educated me well. Thanks to all.

[emsling in reply to emsling]

Sorry predictive text again mean BP and not GP

[PeterWh in reply to emsling]

You can always edit your original post!!!

[BobD Volunteer in reply to emsling]

I have always said that any supplement should be discussed with your medical team (GP etc ) . I don't give advice about such matters , Sorry.

[Gracey23 in reply to emsling]

I eat a couple of handfuls of almonds everyday which are loaded with magnesiu. I believe in supplementation but also a diet filled with vitamins and minerals. If you don't cut the inflammation in your gut you won't absorb the supplements. It's a win win to eat healthy and take supplements to insure optimal health, Gracey

[Hidden in reply to rothwell]

I should have added my Naturopath said the Magnesium should be taken with CoQ10 - I believe the former relaxes the latter strengthens the heart. I have taken both for 2 years and have found with Red Cell blood tests for Mg and another blood test for CoQ10 that decreasing the dose results in quite a rapid drop in levels in my case.

Stomach sensitive to Mg, I use the Ancient Minerals spray-on Mg to supplement a lower dose by mouth.

[traveler65 in reply to rothwell]

@rothwell why not use warfarin? the trick is to get a blood test for genetic polymorphisms of the P450 CYP detox system of the liver. Most prescription drugs are detoxed out of your body through these pathways. If the pathways through which warfarin is detoxed are underfunctioning (showed by the test)--then the starting dose has to be lower (ex. 1.5 mg and work up to 2.5 per day or a tad more instead of stqarting at 5 and WORKING UP TO 10). THEN THERE WILL BE NO PROBLEM WITH BLEEDING. AND THERE SHOULD BE A COUMADIN LAB WITH A NURSE SPECIALIZING IN TESTING YoUR inr WITH A FINGER PRICK NOT AN ARM BLOOD DRAW. THEY START AT ONCE A WEEK, THEN EVERY 2 WEEKS, THEN ONCE STYABILIZED, ONCE A MONTH. aLSO RESEARCH (FOODSCIENCE.COM AND THE SCIENCE OFEATING.COM) WHICH FOODS, SUPPLEWMENTS, HERBS AND SPICES CAN THIN OR THICKEN THE BLOOD SO YOU DO NOT ACCIDENTLY MESS UP THE WARFARIN. (NOT SHOUTIN, JUST BAD TYPIST) By the way most of the afib meds detox through the liver but sotalol, whuich I take , detoxes through the kidneys and is therfore not afffected by polymorphisms of the detox in the liver. This is why my doctor gave it to me, as I have multiple underfunctioning pathways in the liver detox P450 system (p.s.--doctors are supposed to know about this) Also, how a food or supplement can mess up your warfarin or other blod thinner. I wqas using stingin nettles as an antihistamine for allergy and it threw my inr way down so I had to stop it. Cayenne pepper is a massiver blood thinner and can probably be used in large amounts for a blood clot, or so the scinetists say. When I use spices and I am on a blood thinner, I do not use garlic poweder, turneric, ginger, and cayenne or hot peppers on the same day because they all thin the blood and would make warfarin overacrt. they would thin the blood too much even if you were not on wqarfarin. So researching the foods and things wojuld be very helpful.

[Ren912 in reply to rothwell]

Pradaxa, a new blood thinner does have antidote. They are working on antidotes for the others and should soon have them available.

[rothwell in reply to Ren912]

Thank you but if you look up on the internet you will see that there are major concerns because the drug company stated that, unlike Warfarin,Pradaxa did not need to be monitored. This is not true as it has caused haemorrages and in some cases fatalities becaiuse inr levels were not monitored Similarly there are question marks over veracity of Rivaroxoban trials. It's a minefield... Looks !like good old Warfarin remains top of the safety list if you want to take a blood thinner.

[Bagrat in reply to rothwell]

I was not aware that testing INR would reveal the efficacy of Pradaxa which I believe works on a different part of the clotting mechanism. Reducing the propensity for clotting ( not thinning the blood!) is a very complex cascade with numerous ways of intervening.

[achillesfib in reply to rothwell]

Well with thinners there are risks on several points. Too much is more dangerous than too little I think, but attaining the proper INR level is critical mass for some. Yes, there are antidotes now, however if you are in a car accident, break your hip, cut yourself badly etc, you have 30 minutes to get that in you and of course accidents are never on an ideal time.

[Dotcom27 in reply to rothwell]

Sorry but you need to know i have been taking Pradax now for 1 yr and it certainly does have and antidote... it didn't in the beginning..

[reedman]

I buy Solgar magnesium citrate (also well absorbed) from ebay, £13.00 for 120 tablets. I take one tablet a day with water, since I think I must get some mag from my diet so don't need the full dose of 2 tablets.

[traveler65]

@groesclose 1)Magnesium L- Threonate ( ex. source naturals brand Magtein)- in the morning as it is energizing, crossing the blood brain barrier

2)magnesium glycinate (ex. Pure encapsulations brand)

3)Magnesium Taurate (ex. Cardiovascular Research brand.

all 3 are available from Swanson and iherb , american companies which ship globally.

[Finvola]

Hi groesclose - I tried citrate and taurate but both gave me diarrhea. Mg spray was fine - didn't much like using it though. I now *force* myself to eat a chunk of 85% dark chocolate each day and also eat bananas and drink coconut water for potassium.

[Loquitir]

I take 600mg Q10 Co-enzyme and 400mg of Magnesium Malate twice daily amongst others to prevent migraines. The Malate is more gentle on your tummy.

[Salty0987]

My dr recommended Mag400. You can get it at Amazon.

[Spiritji]

There is a powder from Natural Vitality called Natural calm plus calcium a premium balanced magnesium calcium drink. If you order online from some place like Vitacost it is half the price than it would be in our health food store. Not sure how it works overseas as far as ordering products.... this must be the english group as everyone seems to get ablations frequently which is not the case here in California at least for me.. This product seems very highly regarded

[Spiritji]

Ps to earlier reply .... it says on the container contains calcium gluconate a proprietary blend of citric acid and magnesium carbonate which in combination with water creates ionic magnesium ----Aacorbic acid potassium citrate vitamin D and boron citrate

[netpi]

I did some research and found magnesium bisglycinate to be the best absorbed and allegedly superior form of mag- I get it in Canada but I am sure there are many brands available - this is some research I found while researching albionminerals.com/human-nu...

[EileenMary]

I have PAF and my magnesium level has been low on two occasions and I was admitted to A&E for a magnesium infusion. This helps for a while and then it drops again so my GP has referred me to an endocrinologist. I will be seeing them in December. In the meantime my GP has prescribed MAGNESIUM GLYCEROPHOSPHATE 97.2 mg. Has anyone else heard or is on this for magnesium supplements.

[Fearnie]

I have PAF. I am taking Warfarin and Aspirin. (as well as Bisoprolol, Dronedarone, Atorvastatin, Omeprazole). Is it okay to be taking supplements as well??

[Coco51]

I have a sensitive stomach so am wary of more tablets. Magnesium can cause diarrhea I am told. I am using Magnesium Oil ( made by Better You) rubbed into the skin. Apparently it is well absorbed this way and my magnesium levels are OK. Epsom salt baths work too.

[randelle]

Magnesium Glycinate

[randelle]

magnesium glycinate

[achillesfib]

I was told by a friend that Mag Glycinate works well, however if we lack D3, which most inside folks do, Mag is hard to absorb and hence the laxative effect.