Every disease needs to feed, including cancer. There are over 200 types of cancers and 90% of them are caused by diet, lifestyle and environment. 8=10 % are genetic........
So, in this post, I am going to talk a little about DIET/FOODS...........Cancer feeds on Glucose. (SUGAR) ,,,,,,,,
Prostate cancer is also glutamine driven. Glutamine is an amino acid That is used as building blocks for proteins.
Cut out ALL SUGARS (READ LABELS) not just table sugar but what is found in many foods,
STOP EATING GLUTAMINE SUCH AS FOUND IN RED MEAT AND CHICKEN
EAT FISH..........become a pescatarian. or better yet become a vegan...........eat plants
You will be glad you did as you will start healing.
free range eggs are great as is hummus and avocados. Vegans don't eat eggs but i love them so I do.
If I am not boring you, here is a day of what I eat as a pescatarian/vegetarian.
Breakfast: 'plain oatmeal with organic blueberries, I buy them frozen as I can't afford the fresh ones. or 2 Hb eggs
snack: half an avocado, a hand full of nuts and a glass of water.
Lunch: a very large green salad and some fresh squeezed carrot juice. Never store bought.
Snack: a tomato, baked potato and some cashews
Dinner: another salad and some salmon
any snack: olives, nuts, avocado, tomatoes and some wild fish. and any fresh squeezed juice, not store bought as it has too much sugar. any vegetable or granny smith apple.
Keep Believing because you will heal.
In another post I will talk about the nutrients that heal 🌹🦚
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I hear such comments often from patients who have only taken a cursory dive into the literature. Let me start by agreeing that nutrition probably has some effect. Unfortunately, we don't have a lot of Level 1 evidence (just the MEAL RCT) and the Level 2 evidence is inconclusive. There are lots of Level 3 data and they are all over the place.
Where patients often get lost is in not understanding that cancers are different. Our concern here is with prostate cancer, so that is what I will focus on.
"There are over 200 types of cancers and 90% of them are caused by diet, lifestyle and environment. 8-10 % are genetic........"
The heritable component of PCa is estimated to be 20%, but that does not mean that its cause is not genetic. In fact, it is always ultimately genomic. There have been over 200 genes that have been implicated in PCa, some with combined effect, some genes are turned on or off epigentically, some due to environmental, diet, and lifestyle factors. The genomic breakdown (error correction is not as good) that happens naturally as we age explains why many cancers, especially prostate cancer, increase in incidence as we age.
"Cancer feeds on Glucose. (SUGAR) ,,,,,,,,Cut out ALL SUGARS (READ LABELS) not just table sugar but what is found in many foods,"
Prostate cancer does not, at least not until later stages. That is why Choline and acetate PET scans can detect prostate cancer, whereas FDG (glucose) PET scans do not. Furthermore, even when PCa begins to feed on glucose (becoming visible on an FDG PET scan), there is no evidence that restricting glucose has any benefit for PCa (there is undoubtedly benefit in diabetic men). Cancers are voracious feeders and will switch to any nutrient for their energy source.
"STOP EATING GLUTAMINE SUCH AS FOUND IN RED MEAT AND CHICKEN...free range eggs are great "
The evidence on red meat and chicken is equivocal, as are eggs. If there is an effect, it is probably not because of glutamine. Glutamine is the most abundant amino acid in blood. Major sources of glutamine in the diet are the ones you tell patients to stop (red meat and chicken) as well as the ones you advocate (eggs, fish, beans, dairy, beans, beets, cabbage, spinach, carrots, parsley, and vegetable juices). There is no way of eating a nutritious diet without glutamine. Until there is better evidence, meat proteins occasionally is probably fine.
1. That you for correcting that in such a clear manner. I wanted to, but I really didn't have it in me. Because its not bad advice.... but the implied causation isn't so simple.
2. If you think about it, every disease is ultimately genetic. The only difference between us and a lion is genetic, and actually not all much difference in the greater scheme of things.
Yes, maybe shitty genes. but you may also want to ask yourself was it environmental ?as they all lived close to each other? ate the same foods etc. only you would know
Hello Tall Allen , I suppose you are more than 6 feet tall ! But what a perfection in all your comments . Always a pleasure to read them ( from France ) With my best wishes
I would appreciate if you could document with clinical trials information and show that your radical proposals about diet will prolong the life of people with metastatic prostate cancer.
I will agree that all of us could probably stand to clean up our diets to improve our general health and thus help us in our fight with cancer. What I find amusing, and I do have a twisted sense of humor, is your example of what to eat daily. We are men, most of us could eat everything on your suggested diet at a single setting and still be hungry. I appreciate any positive advice and I don't mean to be condescending, but this doesn't seem to be practical.
No matter what I did with my diet, I still got cancer, changed my diet, it still progressed... Lol, thought I was eating healthy for sure. Then learned about Oxalates with the development of kidney stones, balancing that with Glucose and diabetes development post PCa diagnosis... Hahaha, diet! I'm at the point to let go and not care because it's ridiculous...
But for those who deep dive on Prostate Cancer specifically are aware, of some of the benefits or detriments, of certain dietary consumption. It's all good!
And for the matter, although sugar isn't associated with PCa except in late stages, it certainly contributes to inflammation. And inflammation is associated with a lot of cancer, whether that consists of causation as well, is something to consider.
I agree with the hunger thing though, seems I'm ever hungry, maybe it's the PCa subconsciously requiring me to feed it lipids (steak) as I've cut down red meat to once in a while, instead of often! Lol... But my steak isn't your steak. My broccoli isn't yours either... Is what's so hard to nail down dietary association/causation! And we all know lab rats need not apply!
You're not condescending. I understand. Eating a big salad is huge. On a large diner plate that is overflowing. maybe 15 different vegies and greens with a side of nuts and apiece of fruit. I also eat every 3 hours. 🦚🦚🍏🍏🥦🥦
Very interesting! I was diagnosed with diabetes 2 in March 2020, but then diagnosed with Prostate Cancer in June 2022, I live on my own but trying to form my own diet, with both, I am getting very 'regular' at present, one diet not liking the other🙄 recently found an old favourite of mine sardines seems to be friendly? Red meat and chicken from diabetes 2 seems to be a no, no as far as the prostate, pity very much of a carnivore when younger, worked in a hatchery when I left school, never lost the taste🐓 although we have a touch of avian flu with the birds this year over here? I am going in for the radiotherapy and chemo treatment as my cancer has spread, pretty boring eating to see into 2023🤔
At this particular time I need all the help I can with my 'diet', I am living on a hit or miss lifestyle, many of my medical conditions are conflicting with others, what is good for one is not necessarily good for myself, I have to find a happy medium diet on a tightwire! Even my doctors, specialists are scratching their heads at my unforeseen reactions of medications and diets, going through a delicate part of my life at present!🤞
Just my thoughts. Maybe go on a plant-based regimen. meaning don't eat any processed foods. If it had roots eat it. It really helps people feel great. try if for a month and see how much better you are.🍏🥦
Stay the course, this is a one day at a time thing, and most of all enjoy life no matter comes your way, even music will set you free !! Have an awesome day...
I have been given a slap on the wrist for having a too high sugar and cholesterol count, diabetes 2, been upped my metformin dosage, before I go in for my prostate cancer treatment, my cancer has spread, next week, I am altering my diet, reading up on it, presently this 'mixture' is not liked by my "urine level" which has gone haywire, my only exercise to reach 1st storey bathroom! At this moment crunchy fresh carrots, rather nice! Hopefully teething problems, definitely much less sugar content than previously! Maybe an awesome day tomorrow🤞
Try to think positive, you are going to lower your glucose with the metformin and also how and what you eat.....maybe say a mantra to yourself every day?. " my body is healing in the right time"....
I'm not some guru but I do believe that BELIEF SHIFTS BIOLOGY.
Also drinking carrot juice is very helpful
it keeps your body hydrated and the sugar in carrots is fine.......
Keep in mind Pas and drs have to go by the numbers not by your lifestyle.
I think your example of a daily diet would be excellent and healthful for just about anyone, with cancer or not. And it certainly might help slow the progression of some cancers, for some people. But there is little evidence that such a diet alone would stop or reverse the progression of metastatic PC. It may be a tool, but not the whole contents of the toolbox that we need.
The problem is, once PC metastasizes to the bone, the bone environment will feed the cancer everything it needs, as "food," to help it survive and grow. The fatty acids (and some amino acids) it requires are synthesized de novo from essential amino acids that our body cannot survive without. Even if you stop feeding the beast, it will keep feeding on you!
The point is if one wants to die very "healthy" of PC.
We have a terminal disease, nobody has proven diet improves mCRPC survival.
I think we should continue the same diet as before the cancer and try to prolong life enough to die with PC and not from PC. PC is not a merciful killer.
Yes, indeed! And after wallowing in the weeds of all that supposed beneficial data, we come to a clearing of bright sunshine and a table set abound with all foods and drinks. Enjoy!!! Do what makes us smile, because being happy is what it's all about! Eat like a rabbit, or a mountain lion, doesn't matter... If it contributes to a peaceful state, then the task is accomplished.
We know that nobody knows... Nobody! And everything we do is a guess, a validated hypothesis, but still no cure! We stretch things out, and hopefully exceed the expiration label on the illness, but no one gets out alive, regardless of our efforts.
yes, it’s essential. However, your body can create glucose by gluconeogenesis. There’s no need to eat any glucose. You can eat just meat and salt and water and survive just fine.
Thd diet is healthy but as I get older salads are not friendly, the oatmeal is good as is the fruit , as far as red meat only once a week, the chicken, turkey and fish sets better. I do eat 1 egg a day for breakfast. I have to have sugar in my coffee and in the oatmeal, study suggest brown sugar is the healthist. Moderation is the key, I have had no alcohol due to chemo but thinking of trying non alcoholic wine occasionally.
Too bad diet for each type of cancer can't be the same... sure would make treatments easier. And then they change.. now as mCRPC another change.. Fun ain't it.... Plus "new" drugs, studies, etc. change things all the time... Treatments now and order of treatments have change much in the last 5 1/2 yrs that I have been here. Life Is Good, even with a little confusion tossed into the mix/.
Kind of the if you have a hammer every problem is a nail. If you are a nutritionist every problem is a diet problem.
So looks like a college educated nutritionist flouting without a second thought we are feeding our cancer and not giving any respect to college educated PHD'S who have degrees in biochemistry, genetics, and importantly cancer.
I'm not sure I understand fully what you are trying to tell me. But I still believe you need to do what is right for you. I just post what I know. and try to help as much as i can. change is hard I get that. My life is hard too.🍏🌹
A healthy diet is generally enough, provided one knows what that means.
To break it down that specifically is controversial even among experts, and unnecessary. For most of us, to simply eat less is probably a better primary directive. Nutrition matters. Exercise matters much more.
I respect that view, and conceptually yes. However, the reason I think exercise is far more important is that as Benkaymel says above, it requires far greater discipline to exercise than to eat healthily, especially in those older and even more so those of us on ADT drugs, where the fatigue can easily overtake us.
The four horsemen of metabolic syndrome (high BP, high blood sugar, belly fat and cardiovascular disease) are (in the affluent developed world countries where Pca is most prevalent ) more the result of sedentary living and overeating in general. Again I would claim that for us, eating too much rather than the actual diet is the biggest threat food-wise. When combined with the lack of exercise it's lethal. Studies show that less than 15% of those diagnosed with cancer over the age of 60 exercise regularly.
you are so wise and correct👍. You are right about blood sugar and pressure and cardiovascular disease...... exercise is key. and what foods you put in your body also goes with that. do I make any sense?🍏🍏🍏
Thank you, London. You are so wise and I'm so glad you are on here. 'So many in here want to criticize my natural healing but i don't get offended, because
HURTING PEOPLE HURT PEOPLE
and many are hurting in here. I just wish I had a magic want that would cure everyone
“…men who consumed the most eggs after prostate cancer diagnosis (~5.5 eggs per week) had a twofold increased risk of prostate cancer recurrence compared with men who consumed the least eggs (<0.5 eggs per week)”
egg-beaters and skinless chicken- haven’t missed the “ over easy” in the last four years! Already getting some eggs in the baked goods…
Studies seem to indicate free range organic eggs don’t have the high levels of choline-something about the cages. Only in USA, other countries are mostly free-range. I watch the labels- like Hellmans Mayo “cage free eggs”
My wife's mother went on a strict carrot juice, vegetarian diet after breast cancer diagnosis. It keep her alive for another year.
My diet is probably better than yours (and has always been good). Combine that with minimum one hour HARD exercise per day and I cant get my PSA below 8 after chemo and castrate.
Maybe more apples required?
I do eat 3 strawberries per day and one banana. Should I cut down on the fruit? (insert sarcasm here)
You know what? The hard exercise you do is fantastic try not to worry about the psa.......let your oncologist do that.
For fruit, I think you are doing well, .bananas and grapefruit cut cancer cell growth about 40% cranberries anti cancer growth is 60 %
all berries are the most portent anti-cancer fruit.....but they are so full of pesticides you need to buy them organic. i buy then when they are on sale and wash and freeze them.you cn buy frozen organic freeeze drid cranberry powder online. and put tha tion your smoothies.....🌹🦋
For fruit, I think you are doing well, .bananas and grapefruit cut cancer cell growth about 40% cranberries anti cancer growth is 60 %
Hello? With those kind of numbers who would ever need science and medicine to treat cancer. I better tell my doctor stop my chemo cause fruit will kill just as much cancer.
THOSE ON OR TO BE ON RADIATION TREATMENT--DO NOT EAT GRAPEFRUIT DURING RADIATION.
I remind my wife regularly that her health and mine are quite different in some ways. For PCa I agree with the posts about its opportunism and especially that bone mets can consume bone and essential compounds. Lrv44221 your signature box says you are female. There is nothing at all wrong although IMO a tad overwrought about your dietary thinking. It sounds like you eat healthy. But many who eat utterly healthy nevertheless get fatal diseases. And men with PCa have trial-proof that some foods exacerbate PCa. You didn't say anything about exercise which IMO is of equal or greater importance with PCa palliation. Thanks for posting. Check out nutritionfacts.org by a vegan doctor for verifiable science-based data for nutrition vs health for many diseases of either gender.
Boy, posts like this drive me crazy. Hard enough figuring out the REAL science. I'm not sure if this is useful in anyway. Get rid of Glutamine??? It's a major constituent of most if not all proteins. Diet and mindset I'm sure have a place, but don't soapbox it. My two cents
All good points discussed here. I think moderation is key when choosing a health diet with less sugars. I’m going to quote my sister who is a type 1 diabetic. “I don’t want to have on my tombstone saying that here lies Laura who died of diabetes and couldn’t have one piece of cake”! Enjoy life and stay strong!
Whatever floats your boat. Let’s get on the placebo train everyone and find healing with the magical elixir of life.
This forum is full of magical placebo elixir’s.
A substance that has positive effects as a result of a patient's perception that it is beneficial rather than as a result of a causative ingredient.
In other words Genie in the bottle both in food, supplements and let’s not forget dead weight lifting.
Yes folks you too can have the elixir of life if you just follow these simple life changes.
Yes be the first to bring joy and satisfaction with substances and life style effectiveness of a medicinal food, supplement and oxygenated air into your life
Let’s appease or reassure one another with our own well proven elixir of life.
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Appreciate the sharing of personal experiences, always!
Laughing at the thread police trying to project what is or isn't acceptable to post. You noted no associated support in the form of scientific validation? Ok, so for you, disregard and move on, thank you. Who made the censor committee?
For me, I think a healthy diet attributes to a healthy life regardless of the affliction affecting the patient. My MO has told me a few times, that I'm the healthiest patient he will see that day. I laugh and remind him "aside" from the cancer of course! Lol...
Don't take yourself all too seriously, because honestly, NOBODY KNOWS what causes CANCER! Genomics, Diet, Environment, and so so much more... But nobody can definitively declare with absolute validation that "this" or "that" causes cancer. Because if we knew that, then we would have a more transparent road to a "cure"...
For me, I appreciate and value all data and information! What I do with it, how I interpret it, etc., is all my own. Again, I appreciate as much from those willing to share their thoughts, ideas, experiences, as I do those who steadfastly dig and sift through scientific data, all trying to benefit others.
But I don't see benefit from some here who try to determine what information should be shared or what is acceptable to others. I will continually reject any form of filtering or some who are trying to shout down/discourage participating here. Or establish participation only by acceptance! Who decides!? Should there be a committee that reviews thread posts prior to publication? Crazy right...
Eat what you want... And eat what makes you smile, eat whatever it is for whatever reason you believe. Share your experiences so that others may benefit, shout out about your good days, and bad!
I enjoy the 'other perspectives' that are shown here. I don't agree with all, but then not all here agree with me either. Beating on each other won't help any of us. Love your brother as yourself and if you don't love yourself change what you can.
for me I would rather my husband Pc would die than have this. 🌹
I was thinking the same.. what if a person that chose to integrate naturopathic medics into their cancer plan found something and showed proof of whatever, shrinking tumors, cancer growth stabilized… how would they be treated on this site?
Hi Miomarito — and with respect — “proof” simply can’t be established with very small sample sizes. We have to deal with things like dosage vs efficacy vs side effects for a general population, confidence levels established via repeatability and over long periods of time, the heterogeneity of the disease, and etc etc.
Loki I understand this and agree, however when we get going with our words in a mean and condescending way bothers me. I am guilty of this but try very hard to choose my words as if the person were facing me. As for cancer, lots of research but no cures, I understand why we may seek some kind of integrative oncology.
You and I are in agreement. I think your approach to social media is good advice, but too easily forgotten.
We all deal with our cancer in different ways — some of us look for hope in diet/meditation (I’ve done that), alternative therapies (yep, me again)…some of us get ornery and snarky (I do that all the time)…some of us rely on exercise and evidence-driven peer-reviewed studies (that’s who I’ve become).
People do what they do. I try to not let it get to me. My MO does worry about my cortisol levels 😎
with all due respect, I feel like you’re sort of blaming the victim. I think that is a very dangerous road to go down and I am sad that you made this post.
To everyone that read and replied to what I wrote in STOP FEEDING THE BEAST, I thank you.
for me, as a qualified, degreed and certified nutritionist, I just post what I learned in grad school. I'm only trying to help. Please do what you want, and I am sorry If I offended anyone.
We should all share any information we have but not be afraid of peer review! I can tell your input is from the heart and without guile.
One question, however? Are you a licensed Dietitian, as is my wife and have you practiced, as such, especially in a medical setting? I have not read through all of the posts and you may have further clarified this, so forgive me if I missed it?
Thank you John I do care, and it is from my heart. I am a licensed Nutritionist and used to practice before covid. Now this is what i choose to do........👍
lrv your post was great, here we are at the end of the day, learning from each other. I have learned so much about glutamine, and you started it. The link from Sloan Kettering was awesome, you have to read it! I am goi g into my office now to get out my blocking pathway chart and maybe make a few changes.
Hello - Kind of you to post! - I and others I imagine are presently on Male hormone reduction therapy as I am led to believe that my prostate cancer is currently feeding on male testosterone in turn this has reduced my PSA - prostate-specific antigen from 60 + when diagnosed to < 0.03 currently, however as people indicate that my type of prostate cancer may find alternative energy sources or even create the internal machinery to create its own! - Diet has a great impact on wellness as does exercise and smoking and drug use and I have heard STIs can create cancers - I imagine this is why we are getting rid of lead in petrol and trying to reduce toxins in general - In the Uk our government has introduced a sugar tax and traffic light system to see how much sugar in each product and or serving - so yes sugar especially refined needs to be controlled by users and or governments as do all dangerous products - trans fats and asbestos etc oh and plastic which wildlife seem to be digesting now ! - Without wanting to be sarcastic - would this world be nice if we humans were not turning it into a toilet and making ourself morbidly obese and cooking our planet by increasing the planets temperature? - I hope we can find real cures for cancer whilst we are indulging in gluttony! - somebody told me in the first world war there were very few overweight people! - maybe this could be checked for accuracy and the rate of cancer checked although - medicine was not as advanced then so did we have the same incidence back then? - but undiscovered? I personally think that genes will have a lot to do with it and ethnicity too - but evrything feeds in to - Please scientists and researchers lets have some cures soon before us with Cancer cant argue because we will be gone -Kindest Raoul
Yes I agree. I just post what ti have learned through my life, experience and education. I am thinking like you, that some day maybe we will know for sure🍏💖
After being Impotent for 18 years (zero sex), and incontinent due to my prostate cancer, eating what I enjoy is about the only thing that is left in my life! I exercise daily, I'm not a pound overweight, and my PCa has been sleeping for almost 5 years due to the estradiol gel (tE2) that I apply. That being said, if given the choice between depriving myself of things that I love to eat in order to 'survive' a couple of extra years, or eating what I enjoy and 'kicking the bucket' a bit earlier, I think I will have to choose the latter! Perhaps I will think differently when I'm on my death bed?
Ronnie, so true....we try our best but to fear everything we eat is no way to live. I love love love to eat, and most of the time I am aware of healthy eating and exercise, it makes me feel good physically and mentally, but, I will definitely eat Duck Donuts (maple bacon my fave) when in N.C. or have an ice-cream cone with my grand babies with lots of sprinkles and my son in laws deer stew when he makes it. I forget which one of us said, in moderation is best for me....the key is what Lrv said, what is best for you. Oh I picked up on Smurtaws post when he mentioned Sauerkaraut...right on Smarty!
Couldn’t agree more. There are those who would do anything to potentially squeeze out a few more months of life…and those for whom quality OF life is the operative issue…. I find it hard to stand in judgement of either point of view as one who refused ADT prior to Radiotherapy as a quality or life issue and potentially missed out on a cure rather than being now one who is facing an uncertain future….. easier to make unsound judgements when the other shoe has not yet dropped….. Maybe I’ll feel the same way about diet some years down the road when I lay dying and wishing I’d eaten better.
QoL is very important. I just wish everyone would learn by educating themselves from people who speak from the heart💕and experience and then so what they choose.
Thank you for your advice. I read through Tall Allen's response and also read this article from Memorial Sloan Kettering mskcc.org/news/beyond-sugar...
It basically says that glutamine does feed cancer cells, most commonly brain cancer and leukemia. However, it goes onto to say that cancer cells need more than the body can supply and these cells find alternate ways to supplement their glutamine supply, using glutamine synthetase, made from other starting materials. Their is work being done to study whether drugs that target the cancer-specific protein transporters that are used to import glutamine.
There is also work at Duke being done in this area corporate.dukehealth.org/ne... These are interesting approaches to treatment that may bear fruit at some point. In the meanwhile, the Sloan Kettering article suggests a low-glycemic diet may be a good idea and something almost everyone can do.
I just read your bio and i see by some things you have severe anxiety. who wouldn't?
Perhaps if you want, you could look at some books online before you purchase to see if there are any food/meal ideas. I like beating cancer with nutrition and chris warks recipe books but for me they are to complicated so i just wing it........
I think it is very important, as is stated to reduce sugar intake as much as possible, as well as cholesterol. Blueberries, eggs, and carbohydrates are problematic. Besides the rel to cancer growth, glucose regulation is a problem for pat. on ADT who run the risk of diabetes, excessive fat tissue, and bone problems. And the cardiovascular risks increase.
I got so much from Alans response, it was clear enough for me to get through without looking up every word....I then when on to your link, so good, seeing sloan kettering seems to do many studies regarding alternate therapy same with Hopkins. Maybe it is impossible to gather the money on a treatment that could very well work, but pays the medical community nothing, as these studies that take years need lots of donations. I am Looking now for my blocking pathway chart on my day off from work regarding glutamine.
when I was diagnosed with stage 4 prostate cancer in 2016 I talked with the dietary specialist in the chemo ward. The short version was simple. Don’t loss weight , eat everything and anything because the cancer will make its own sugar out of anything I eat. I love ice cream and pie. 😆😆😆
I’m confused about the_ don’t lose weight if ,as so many,you had put on several pounds due to ADT. No thoughts on her part about the dangers of metabolic syndrome?
I lost about 40 pounds prior to chemo, 5ft 9 inch, 66 years old and trim at 165. Chemo made eating near impossible for me, nothing tasted good , the nutrient nurse wanted to get me to gain weight any way I could. My oncologist did as well. Yes ADT has finally put more pounds on me than I like but the doctor is happy with me and I’m still alive after 6 years . Just saying
Hello Larry. I think your weight is just perfect. Of course, you have to do what you think. Chemo is so yucky for many people. perhaps doing or eating something🍏🦋😀 that you enjoy might help you feel better.👍🌹
Being stage 4 you and I are wasting away. I eat healthy, nutritious, and generous servings when the appetite is there. It gives my body and all systems strength and avoids other issues. It soothes the soul as well. Umami in ones life is important.
I wont let others diet edicts cause me to feel inferior or as though I am self inflicting damage on myself. Eating is important. Over thinking it can lead to mental health or of course physical health issues.
The PHD's and above with multiple degrees in biochemistry, genetics, and cancer have this figured out better than nutritionists IMHO.
yes I watched a cousin die a miserable death, eating nothing, and suffering weight lose down till the body couldn’t fight anymore. I guess it’s my life I’m trying to extend but I’m going to enjoy the little stuff as long as I can. Never give in warrior 🙏🙏🙏
You too larry. Lets hang out here awhile longer since we can.
Im re-doing chemo and luckily eating ok (I have my wife to thank for that). Then desert which I sure as hell deserve is best food for that crappy chemo mouth is vanilla bean ice cream with some nuts and chocolate syrup.
Lrv44221 wrote --- " ... QoL is very important ... "
Just off a cruise and my DoC (Desert of Choice) for a great QoL (Quality of Life) was vanilla bean ice cream with gobs of shavings of Parmigiano-Reggiano to which I had to add the vanilla ice cream with chocolate fudge sauce that my wife could not finish.
Oh I hope in moderation my friend, they are not always right, when it comes to nutrition. In fact I see they know very little....that is too bad for all of us, as it can all be part of a good cancer plan of attack. Don't take my remark as an insult, it is so not meant that way or to make you feel guilty. I love my cake and ice-cream too!!
all I know I have terminal Stage 4 cancer. The norm for my cancer and Mets is a 50/50 chance of 5 years. I’m almost done with year 6 so I’m happy with my Doctor and the hospitals advise. Cancer is a monster that I hate with my every breath and I refuse to give in. But I’m not going to change my eating habits in hopes I might get one more day. My wife is a great cook and we eat fresh veg, whole milk , lots of chicken and pork. Very little beef. We have a bee hive and I have honey every day. And at least a gallon of water every day. Lots more but that’s just the ones that come to mind. We try to stay away from GMO foods and canned products , I’m not mad or critical of anyone that try’s anything to stay alive. God please help all of us as we fight this awful monster 🙏🙏🙏
Larry, I am so with you! I wish you luck with your battle as we are all in this group for a reason, fighting the same disease together. I will listen to anyones story and read up on advise, none of it bad to me, as I know it comes from the heart. I believe there is something to blocking those pathways. Our glutamine conversation prompted me to look at my chart today. I will post that half of my chart, in case anyone is interested. If not its ok too. Just for the ones that believe in blocking some of those pathways.
I agree it a horrible monster. For me, I believe no one can predict just how long one should live with any disease..... I love Honey and i think it is great you have hives. Do what is best for you and your wife..........I do however believe the sugar and glutamine i posted about a few days ago.......... had some significance. Just my thoughts🌹🍏
Intermittent Fasting is a huge topic and contemporary method to provide some health benefits. Very interesting element... Part of my journey has had multiple consults with the Alternative Medicine Oncologist to discuss diet during various stages of therapy. Kudos to you!
Hi, so eightish hours of the fast will be whilst sleeping and have dinner earlier or extend your Break Fast out a bit more each day until you get to 16 hrs.
Yes it does. It's been my routine for 8 years, so on auto pilot. I do tomato paste, veggie(usually cabbag, garlic, ginger, and curry broth during the Fast. I eat plant based with lean protein and a rainbow of colors of fruits/veggies
what kind of protein do you eat when you say lean. Do you also take protein powder in a smoothie. Dock what diet do you generally follow. I need to cook some different foods. Thank you, Randy!
Hi, proteins are salmon, tuna, chicken breast, ground turkey (in Black bean chili or whole wheat pasta and sauce), occasionally I'll slow cook a pork shoulder Hawaiian style with Hawaiian salt and Liquid smoke. I will have that with cabbage (Cruciferous veggie)and brown rice onolicioushawaii.com/kalua-...
I snack on Veggie chips from Trader Joe's and treat myself to a few Triple Ginger Snaps, also from Trader Joe's. I also have sauerkraut with a turkey hot dog. Kim chee on rice. Both are great probiotics masterclass.com/articles/sa...
"Meaghan suggests starting with one tablespoon of kraut or kimchi a day with food (i.e,. chopped up on a salad, as a condiment, mixed in with grains and beans, on a sandwich, etc.) and see how your body reacts" from this website: rachelsnourishingkitchen.co...
Hi, Yes I season my meals more and when I used to be down South, I would have others taste like gravy to check on salt level. I didn't wanna trust my own taste buds. Last chemo this Friday, PSA at 6.9 from 6 - 3 weeks ago. So, there will be time for taste to resume
Congrats on getting the most replies that I have seen here in quite some time! That's awesome!!Thanks for all the advice. But...I tend to agree with Tall Allen. I have been addicted to the high sugar drink, Dr Pepper for 10 years , but cut back very much though, after Diagnosis . Should not drink it at all. However, I am in remission for 8 years! Still eating some of the wrong foods, it's hard to diet, even with this beast of a disease!
I have prostate cancer for the second flare-up, gleason score 9-10. Trying Mediterranean. I use to eat lots of eggs, but read that the yolks and protein can cause the cancer to be aggressive, even just two per week. Not sure what site that article was on, or whether eggs affects all cancers.
The study with eggs, Choline, is interesting if you look it up. Those who are eggs all the time, didn't have the same negative effect as those who limited it to once or twice per week, weird right? This is total recall, I don't have the link any more. But sure it can be found. But like everything diet wise, I'm sure you'll find evidence for both arguments, ie, complete elimination. I do believe the biggest issue with dietary studies is the control side, as most of these studies rely upon those who participate, to fill out surgery's, and there's no controls over consumption, sources, etc. All leading to difficulty creating consistent and reliable information.
I will not touch an egg any more, unless I am with the family and out to breakfast for a fun breakfast...if I told you all what I had, and what I don't have now, you would not believe me. I eat no dairy or eggs any more. I sure can walk, exercise again and not in chronic pain. I take no drugs, not even an aspirin. I use to eat two hard boiled eggs every day, cottage cheese, yogurt , almond milk, lots of chicken...not any more. Little by little as I felt relief I started to cut out gluten the more pain I did not feel the more gluten I cut out. it worked for me, not telling you what to do, but I think eggs are prob easy thing to elimate. Don't beat me up boys, just saying what worked for me!
I really dislike when people post various statements/claims without providing ANY links to scientific literature to support these claims. Once again, Tall_Allen comes to the rescue to clarify bold and unsupported statements.
back up....it is not always possible to do studies on everything, studies are expensive, take a long time. There are many studies with repurposed drugs, drugs that have been around for a long time, but often ignored. I also read all of Alans posts as well, but always open to many treatments that have been in play for cancer for many years all over the world. Why have we not done better in the medical world when it comes to cancer...lots of people are suffering and dying.
its not a clinical trial but this population study bears out what you say about eating less sugar and other fast carbs. Glycemic index, glycemic load and cancer risk
J Hu et al. Ann Oncol. 2013 Jan.
Free article
Abstract
Background: Dietary glycemic index (GI) and glycemic load (GL) have been related to the risk of selected cancers, but the issue remains open.
Patients and methods: Mailed questionnaires were completed between 1994 and 1997 in eight Canadian provinces for incident, histologically confirmed cases of the stomach (n=1182), colon (n=1727), rectum (n=1447), liver (n=309), pancreas (n=628), lung (n=3341), breast (n=2362), ovary (n=442), prostate (n=1799), testis (n=686), kidney (n=1345), bladder (n=1029), brain (n=1009), non-Hodgkin's lymphomas (NHL, n=1666), leukemias (n=1069), multiple myelomas (n=343), and 5039 population controls. Dietary information on eating habits 2 years before participants' enrollment in the study was obtained using a validated food frequency questionnaire (FFQ). Odds ratios (ORs) and 95% confidence intervals (CI) were derived by unconditional logistic regression including recognized confounding factors.
Results: Dietary GI was positively associated with the risk of prostate cancer (OR, 1.26 for the highest versus the lowest quartile). A higher dietary GL significantly increased the risk of colorectal (OR, 1.28), rectal (OR, 1.44) and pancreatic (OR, 1.41) cancers. No other significant associations were found.
Conclusions: Our findings suggest that a diet high in GI and GL is associated with increased risk of selected cancers
Graham, very interesting, here is the side of my chart that deals with dietary glycemic changes for prostate cancer. I am not a doctor and the great illustration is my medical illustrator daughter.
Gl you have totally misunderstood these posts. These therapies are in conjunction with the more traditional therapies. No one is telling you to stop chemo radiation or ADT…. A good diet or fasting will not kill you if you choose to try it. If you totally think it’s BS , then not the path for you… nothing ventured nothing gained in reading about alternate therapies. I hope you find a good fit and always follow your heart.
Allright Allright. This poor lady will feel bad to ever post here again. Where I am on this is “It all works, but nothing works well”. Nothing is curative for Stage 4 Metastatic PCa yet. We all agree to extend life is key until that time where we can have a cure, or more likely a 20+ year Remission.
So what if some of this dietary change extends life (not cure) for a good percentage of us. We know that thru RCT’s that Cruciferous vegetables do in fact reduce tumoral size and have shown reduction in PSA. The power of the mind cannot be calculated. Could that 90% of your mind going unused somehow wake up the White Blood cells and Killer T cells to learn that PCa cells are actually the enemy and should be attacked 24/7?? Cannot prove otherwise, but most of us believe the mind is a powerful tool.
So no stone unturned. To each their own. If you like what was suggested, go with it. If not, do nothing of the sort. We all must all keep our minds open.
On a personal note, I went pure vegan for my first 12 months, coached by a knowledgeable 15 year Vegan. I could not get my PSA below 4 ( with Lupron/Zytiga-pred). So I added fish 3x/week. Boom I dropped down to 2, then after SABR to PSA .022. My only thinking is we are Omnivores. What works for me, doesn’t necessarily work for you. Mike
Randy I was a dental hygienist, Temple Dental School in Philadelphia Pa. I loved my marathons, I fed off of my distance running, just loved it! My husband was a world class bench presser on USA power lifting team. Maybe that’s why he can keep going through all this. Thanks for sharing Randy, it’s great that you can still hike and do a lot of the activities you love.
Wow, what a coincidence that we're both in the dental field and marathoning too. Yes, your hubby has to be strong-willed to overcome pain, as do marathoners
That's my theory is my body has been beat up with all the marathons that chemos and ADT are nothing.
Very nice chatting with you and give my best to your Husband
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