Right, I thought about removing it from the list but it might help someone, in moderation, a few pits a day. Everyone should use this list to their own necessity and preference.
I said curcumin supplements can mask PSA, but she is just talking about turmeric as a food, not a supplement. If it helps her feel more in control by including those foods in his diet, why would I take that away unless there is something harmful? I think our bodies can deal pretty well with most foods -taking what it needs, and excreting the rest.
This list is broadly the same as mine, and there is a mountain of research to support this (too numerous to cite here). The problem is with nutrition it is extremely difficult to build a clinical trial with what people eat - and dont eat - you need to control the whole diet - and for several years. So we dont have conclusive phase 3 trials. But there is a wealth of evidence from invitro and animal studies that there is benefit in the foods on this list. There is also evidence that many of them do not survive the digestion system to be very active at the cell level. There are also indications that a combination of molecules can be more important that concentration of an individual molecule - I think the best example is tumeric and pepper together.
So those of us who focus on nutrition as a helping hand in our cancer fight include these foodstuffs in a regular diet - cant do any harm - and who knows - they might help.
The problem I see with this is we have an unsubstaniated claim made "Foods that kill prostate cancer cells" with no supporting evidence. People make similar claims on this forum all the time and don't feel it's necessary to have any clinical trial data to support them.
It looks to me like the rest of us are just supposed to accept all these lists of various diet and supplements that people come up with based on belief and speculation more than anything else.
When you make a claim that certain foods kill cancer cells, you are really saying you can treat prostate cancer with these foods and that is a dangerous suggestion that doesn't belong on this forum.
Firstly, not being a scientist or doctor, (architect, retired), I tend to blur the difference between c;linical trials and scientific research and studies. Secondly, I believe everyone has the ability and right to control the foods that they put into their body. Thirdly, I do believe in the principle of cause and effect, so I tend to think that eating certain foods may help to control cancer growth. Also I tend to think that studies with mice could be useful to humans. So with those thoughts I would leave this list on this board.
"Also I tend to think that studies with mice could be useful to humans. " LOL!!! Everything works in mice. That's why mouse studies are only used to rule things out, but never to rule things in. That said, so what if you are thinking that dietary changes are helping you, even if there is no evidence? I think the psychological benefit is important.
Along with mice studies we also see "kills prostate cancer cells in a petri dish" presented as evidence.
I'm willing to bet that WD-40 in the right amount would kill prostate cancer (and probably any other cancer) in a petri dish. But I don't suggest we start using it (although it is a heck of lot cheaper than what I'm taking).
It's a common mistake among people who don't understand levels of evidence. But I've found that many who post "research" on this forum prefer not to understand that - never let facts get in the way of a strongly held opinion! I honestly don't think any of the foods listed (aside from apricot pits) is harmful. I doubt they help at all, either. (Odd that the OP didn't mention cruciferous vegetables, which may be the only thing that may actually make a difference.) But if it gives someone a psychological boost to be doing something at all and it doesn't replace a standard therapy, I don't see much harm. Now supplements are another matter entirely - they are drugs, and carry the same safety, interaction and efficacy concerns that all drugs do.
I agree that it's important that guys feel they have some control over something in their life after this terrible diagnosis and doing things like trying to eat healthy foods is a good way exercise some control and helps feel better about the situation.
I do think it's a bit of a slippery slope though when it comes to something that's a good thing to do then turns into "these foods kill prostate cancer cells". I've seen a real willingness on this forum to ignore science in order to make a point about something. As you say, if facts get in the way of their argument, facts become unimportant.
I googled wd40 kills prostate cancer and guess what? A component in WD-40 called p44/WDR77 actually increases growth rate of lung tumors. I guess. It's hard to understand some of these pubmed sites but I can get the gist.
"that p44/WDR77 expression causes the non-sensitivity of proliferating cells to TGFβ signaling, thereby contributing to cellular proliferation during lung tumorigenesis."
Greg57 - no - its not unsubstantiated - as I said - there is loads of scientific documentation that XXX when introduced to human prostata cancer cells in a petri dish kills them. But its in the details of how to get this benefit in the human body that is difficult. Dont let anybody tell you that this is a magical cure for cancer - but in the world of probabilities - it may help!!
You said: "but in the world of probabilities - it may help!!" No problem with statements like that, I just think people need to keep their claims reasonable like you did in your response.
Just Googled each of them over the years. For example, "Walnuts kill prostate cancer cells" etc. See what comes up. Also book reading brings some enlightenment.
It's called confirmation bias. You are clearly ignoring higher level contrary evidence. But the evidence I'm talking about is all on supplements, not foods. I think foods do little harm.
These items have always been present in my diet for healthy eating....yet I have Gleason 9 stage 4 PCa. So....my anecdote info vs your anecdote info. Neither is worth much.
Since you asked me I googled it and found that it may help to prevent prostate cancer by reducing free radicals, thereby lessening oxidative stress. The question I have is whether it helps reduce metastasis of prostate cancer cells, and this article does not mention it:
This other article seems to suggest that whey protein may reduce PSA levels. I would take this to mean that it has some effect in reducing the numbers of prostate cancer cells in the body, similar to lycopenes. Could it mask progression? Maybe, I don't know. If you have had your prostate removed, and your PSA level rises, then it could be a way to slow the growth.
One thing I did was to study the growth rate of cancer cells and tumor size. Just as a mathematical matter. It seems like the main problem with trying to control tumor growth with food is that time is of the essence. If you take something once a day, it is not going to do much to control cancer cell growth. If you continuously flood your body with cancer killing substances, at every meal and then some, then you are talking about control.
Be careful what you accept as evidence from just googling. Check the evidence by searching for a peer reviewed scientific paper using pubmed or google scholar.
First nobody has to use the list for anything. Second, I googled them with "x____x kills prostate cancer cells, so there is online evidence that they do . Most or all of them except paprika say they do. I found an article years ago by a doctor in Indonesia who swore by paprika as prostate cancer cure. I could not find it today.
Many of my Greek Friends also eat two or three Bitter Almonds a day to treat or ward off cancer with a similar ingredient to the Apricot Pits, They are also dangerous if you eat too many. I started several years ago, and have grown quite a bit of hair on my previously bald head.
I like all of the above. I Choked down bitter melon often during imrt. Yuk. Campbell soup although a stable while growing up as kids. It’s not the best now.
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