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Cholesterol and myxoedema - from 1950

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We keep hearing of doctors who deny that cholesterol levels are linked to hypothyroidism. The comments on forum often say something like “they used to use cholesterol as an indicator of thyroid levels”. However, rarely has this actually been complemented by a link, a quote, of an actual example.

I found this case report, one of nine in the paper, when I was looking for something else. It was published in the British Medical Journal in 1950.

In addition to the specific cholesterol issue, some may find interest in what was happening around the time thyroxine started to become available.

ORAL THYROXINE IN TREATMENT OF

MYXOEDEMA

BY

F. DUDLEY HART, M.D., F.R.C.P.

Assistant Physician, Westminster Hospital; Lecturer in

Applied Pharmacology, Westminster Medical School

AND

N. F. MACLAGAN, D.Sc., M.D., M.R.C.P.

Professor of Chemical Pathology in University of London

at Westminster Medical School; Chemical Pathologist to

Westminster Hospital

Case 2 (See Fig. 2)

A married woman aged 63 was diagnosed as a case of myxoedema in 1936, and treated with dried thyroid extract.

1946, after ten years' treatment, she ceased to attend. After eighteen months there was a gradual return of symptoms.

On examination typical myxoedema was noted. Her blood pressure was 170/100. Renal function was 64% of normal.

The initial B.M.R. was -21%, and serum cholesterol 437 mg. per 100 ml.

Treatment.-

DL-thyroxine 1 mg. daily was given. Within a week she began to feel better and lost weight. In a fortnight her voice had almost returned to normal. Serum cholesterol dropped to 205 mg., and urea clearance rose to 81% of normal.

Improvement was in every way satisfactory. Thyroxine was increased to 1.4 mg. a day. Her only disability was that the hair continued to fall out. Her energy was still slightly sub-

normal. Thyroxine was increased to 1.8 mg. a day. One month later she stated that she had stopped "falling about” and was now entirely steady on her feet, although her gait had always been unsteady since the onset of myxoedema. Her hair was now falling out much less. Treatment was changed to DL-sodium thyroxine 1 mg. a day, then reduced to 0.6 mg. after two months. Two months later treatment was changed to L-sodium thyroxine (0.3 mg. a day).

Comment.-

Improvement was entirely satisfactory when on 1 mg. of DL-thyroxine sodium. Her B.M.R. rose to +22% and serum cholesterol dropped to 206 mg. On the reduced dosage she continues to be well. She appears to be at her best when the cholesterol reading is slightly raised and the B.M.R. is within the normal range. The only time the cholesterol figure has been within normal limits was when other symptoms suggested that dosage was excessive. She has been on L-thyroxine sodium for four months. Her present dose is 0.2 mg. a day. The observation period was one year five months.

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Explanatory notes:

B.M.R. - Basal Metabolic Rate

DL-thyroxine-sodium - a mixture of L-thyroxine (which we widely call levothyroxine) and D-thyroxine which is no longer used. D-thyroxine is not the form found in our bodies. It required much higher doses and was eventually recognised as causing heart issues. Which is why we now only see L-thyroxine. It also partly explains the doses quoted appearing much higher than we see today. It is also possible that the less exacting purity of the product, and issues about how it was delivered, also affected requirements.

I thought this might be a useful snippet for passing on to anyone who claims there is no connection. Thought they might make an asinine suggestion such as that there used to be a connection then but there isn't now.

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Tina_Maria

Very interesting find helvella! 👍

Fascinating as well that they did give a big starting dose and settled on around 100mcg thyroxine in the end, considering that the mixture was 50/50 of D and L-thyroxine.

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helvella in reply toTina_Maria

I think she ended up on 200 micrograms of L-thyroxine. (Not DL-) Having been on 1000, 1400, 1800, 1000 then 600 of micrograms of DL-.

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Tina_Maria in reply tohelvella

Oh yes, didn't read that right. 🫣 Brain fog moment... 😂

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helvella in reply toTina_Maria

Ever so easily done! :-) Especially with the typography of 75 years ago.

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Tina_Maria in reply tohelvella

My brain definitely feels like 75 today.... 😂😂😂

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jgelliss in reply tohelvella

What??? It's so hard to believe that someone was dosed on such high T4 dosage. Wow!!!!.

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helvella in reply tojgelliss

First, 600 of DL-thyroxine is probably equivalent to significantly less than 300 micrograms of L-thyroxine.

Second, I wouldn't have much faith that the tablets were even as potent as claimed. Our ability to measure these things has improved absolutely enormously over the years since. They were still using test tubes and chemistry lab equipment. Not fancy liquid chromatography-tandem mass spectrometry and ultra-sensitive antibody tests!

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jgelliss in reply tohelvella

Helvella thank you so much for Clarifying it. Much appreciated.

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FarmerDJ

For most of my life I'd always had good cholesterol levels and normal BP. Until my hyper and hypothyroid issues began. There had to be a link. Amazing you found it!

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Clementik

I had very bad cholesterol same time when my GP find out that I'm hypothyroid as my TSH finally raise above range then I started levothyroxine 50mcg later 62,5 then 75mcg and few weeks after being on 100mcg my GP wanted to test Vitamin D after therapy but she mentioned she will also check my lipids I got scared as i been eating very bad since last choleterol test even been eating worst than before I would say but I was so surprised that my cholesterol improved by a lot and is must be due to levothyroxine treatment, nothing else, I was very surprised when i see that as i was expecting very bad result, when i said that to endo she also said is because of levo treatment

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Stills

interesting and a great share thank you. I’m still undiagnosed, hampered by having a chronic AI disease of rheumatoid nature that gets the blame for all symptoms at the same time as being dismissed. A cancer warning also has delayed progress while ‘scopes’ were performed.

My new symptoms began Feb 22 after 3 family deaths in 6 weeks, first blood test the Dr said very high cholesterol….. but the cancer warning was made a priority.

Current blood test flag cholesterol and I’m having a telephone call with dr tomorrow. I’ve learned here about thyroid but have been ignored and no proper testing done. I’m hoping this cholesterol warning will make them reconsider thyroid issues.

I’m female 63, non smoker, veggie, 8 stone 8 (now) exercise when well enough and don’t eat badly hence I’m convinced my high cholesterol is caused by thyroid issues. I may have to quote your paper to them.

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arTistapple

An aside from this post. Recently got heart surgery. Statins forced on me etc etc. Cardiac nurse asked “How long have you been taking statins.” Days was my reply. “That’s curious because your previous cholesterol result was 8.9.” Yes I agreed. “Well now it’s 5.7”. Crikey I was caught out. Two weeks on T3 had not only showed me how much help I needed heart wise but had reduced my cholesterol by that rather large amount during that time!

Now just need to convince my NHS endo to prescribe T3 and with a bit of luck I will be good to go!

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Katherine1234

I had high cholesterol when I was undermedicated on Levothyroxine. As soon as I was medicated right my cholesterol went down to normal.

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jgelliss in reply toKatherine1234

Very Inresting and very Useful. This proves that testing FT4 and FT3 is So Very Important. We would be able to Rid lots of Ailments. But that wouldn't sit well with Medical profession nor Big Pharma.

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Katherine1234 in reply tojgelliss

We are on the same page. Pharma deliberately ignores the obvious unless it can make money for them.

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TeaFree

It is interesting to use Perplexity.ai or similar apps to illuminate queries like this (not to provide medical recommendations, of course):

"is it true that prior to the availability of blood-testing for hypothyroidism elevated cholesterol was routinely taken as an indicator of a low thyroid condition?"

ANSWER: Yes, prior to the availability of blood tests for hypothyroidism, elevated cholesterol levels were often used as an indicator of a potential low thyroid condition. Hypothyroidism is associated with increased cholesterol levels, particularly LDL cholesterol, due to the role of thyroid hormones in regulating lipid metabolism. Low thyroid hormone levels impair the liver's ability to process and eliminate cholesterol, leading to its accumulation in the bloodstream.

Before modern thyroid function tests became widely available in the 1960s, physicians relied on clinical symptoms and associated markers like high cholesterol to suspect hypothyroidism. This connection between hypothyroidism and hyperlipidemia has been well-documented and remains relevant today, as treating hypothyroidism often leads to a reduction in cholesterol levels. However, definitive diagnosis now relies on blood tests measuring TSH and free T4 levels.

The actual answer provides some very interesting links which I have not provided here.

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Mlinde

Even my well uninformed GP recognised the link between hypothyroidism and high cholesterol. What kind of doctor denies this link?

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jgelliss in reply toMlinde

I'm Wondering Myself. But it's very simple. It's called MONEY.

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Musicmonkey

I was diagnosed hypothyroid in 2008 after a routine health check at work showed high cholesterol. Goodness knows why it doesn't count as an additional marker anymore. It does add to the overall picture of what may be going on...Why would you ignore signs and symptoms?

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jgelliss in reply toMusicmonkey

It's called Show Me The MONEY.

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Transalp

I take T4 and T3 and am well dosed with FT4 around 60% of range and FT3 around 90% of range and with good tested RMR. I still have high cholesterol.

I’m sure that correcting thyroid levels can help with a whole range of issues, but it is not always a panacea.

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