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Wasn’t sure whether to start new post as this is a follow on from my post about chronic pain & using finger prick tests?

I have been diagnosed with Hashimoto’s & UA. I only have left side of thyroid which is very inflamed (thyroid inferno) & been referred from ENT to Endocrinology.

My first 2 months of 50mcg Levo have reduced my TSH & it looks like it’s improved T4 but I still don’t feel well. My Medichecks advanced test shows normal for everything other than antibodies although I’m low in range for iron, B12 & D. I think my T4 & T3 is too low?

My GP isn’t going to help me. I hoped the amazing people on here would comment on my recent results, as regards how hard I push for more Levo (or T3 medication) - I’m also considering LDN but don’t want to change too much at once.

Thank you 🙏

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You are going to be asked the actual results and ranges of the vits/ minerals before folks will comment… Currently your ‘Frees’ are still low…

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Oatsforlife in reply toJudithdalston

I added in after 🤞hope it worked

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was test early morning, ideally just before 9am, only drink water between waking and test and last dose levothyroxine 24 hours before test

assuming yes

You very obviously need next dose increase in Levo

Free T4 (fT4) 13.8 pmol/L (12 - 22)

Ft4 only  18.0% through range

Free T3 (fT3) 4.2 pmol/L (3.1 - 6.8)

Ft3 much better at 29.7%

Ft4 (Levo) is only 18% through range

When on adequate dose most people will have Ft4 at least 60-70% through range

See GP and push for next increase to 75mcg

Ask for “trial “ increase if necessary

Which brand of levothyroxine are you taking

Please add actual results and ranges for vitamin D, folate, ferritin and B12

Exactly what vitamin supplements were you taking before test

Low vitamin levels tend to lower TSH

Essential to improve to GOOD levels

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Oatsforlife in reply toSlowDragon

Hope this works, really having trouble inserting a photo! 🤞

Test results
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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply toOatsforlife

No not working

Can you just type results for

Vitamin D and Ferritin

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Oatsforlife in reply toSlowDragon

I checked the Medicheck guidance & they say to stop multivitamins & supplements a day before but B12 12days before. As my multivitamins include B12, I stopped my B12 spray and multivitamins 12days ahead. It’s complicated, I'm not sure how to deal with preparing for the test now. Do you think they made a mistake and it should be B7 (biotin) that's stopped 12 days before (7days normally).

Ferritin 52 (30-332)

Vitamin B12 84.4. (>37.5)

Vit D 66 (50-250)

Also, preparing for the conversation with my GP, is there any evidence I can show for most people needing to be 60-70% in the test range for T3/T4?

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply toOatsforlife

Multivitamins never recommended on here

Best to take vitamin D daily and daily vitamin B complex

GP will often only prescribe to bring vitamin D levels to 50nmol.

Some areas will prescribe to bring levels to 75nmol or even 80nmol

leedsformulary.nhs.uk/docs/...

GP should advise on self supplementing if over 50nmol, but under 75nmol (but they rarely do)

mm.wirral.nhs.uk/document_u...

But, improving to around 80nmol or 100nmol by self supplementing may be better

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/218...

vitamindsociety.org/pdf/Vit...

Once you Improve level, very likely you will need on going maintenance dose to keep it there.

Test twice yearly when supplementing

Can test via NHS private testing service

vitamindtest.org.uk

Vitamin D mouth spray by Better You is very effective as it avoids poor gut function.

There’s a version made that also contains vitamin K2 Mk7.

One spray = 1000iu

amazon.co.uk/BetterYou-Dlux...

It’s trial and error what dose we need, with thyroid issues we frequently need higher dose than average

NHS Guidelines on dose vitamin D required

panmerseyapc.nhs.uk/media/2...

Web links about taking important cofactors - magnesium and Vit K2-MK7

Magnesium best taken in the afternoon or evening, but must be four hours away from levothyroxine

betterbones.com/bone-nutrit...

medicalnewstoday.com/articl...

livescience.com/61866-magne...

sciencedaily.com/releases/2...

Vitamin K2 mk7

betterbones.com/bone-nutrit...

healthline.com/nutrition/vi...

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply toOatsforlife

supplementing a good quality daily vitamin B complex, one with folate in (not folic acid)

This can help keep all B vitamins in balance and will maintain B12 levels too

B vitamins best taken after breakfast

Igennus B complex popular option. Nice small tablets. Most people only find they need one per day. But a few people find it’s not high enough dose and may need 2 per day and/or may need separate methyl folate couple times a week

Post discussing different B complex

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Thorne Basic B recommended vitamin B complex that contains folate, but they are large capsules. (You can tip powder out if can’t swallow capsule) Thorne can be difficult to find at reasonable price, should be around £20-£25. iherb.com often have in stock. Or try ebay

IMPORTANT......If you are taking vitamin B complex, or any supplements containing biotin, remember to stop these 3-5 days before ALL BLOOD TESTS , as biotin can falsely affect test results

endocrinenews.endocrine.org...

In week before blood test, when you stop vitamin B complex, you might want to consider taking a separate folate supplement (eg Jarrow methyl folate 400mcg)

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply toOatsforlife

I would just concentrate on

A) you have had some improvements

B) some symptoms remain….list them

Have printed out guidelines and be ready to quote them

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply toOatsforlife

work on improving ferritin too

Look at increasing iron rich foods in diet

Eating iron rich foods like liver or liver pate once a week. Red meat daily, pumpkin seeds and dark chocolate, plus daily orange juice or other vitamin C rich drink can help improve iron absorption

List of iron rich foods

dailyiron.net

Links about iron and ferritin

irondisorders.org/too-littl...

davidg170.sg-host.com/wp-co...

Great in-depth article on low ferritin

oatext.com/iron-deficiency-...

drhedberg.com/ferritin-hypo...

This is interesting because I have noticed that many patients with Hashimoto’s disease and hypothyroidism, start to feel worse when their ferritin drops below 80 and usually there is hair loss when it drops below 50.

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Oatsforlife in reply toSlowDragon

Thank you, so much, for all of that. I'll review the details today. Ferrous fumerate really affects my gut so it'll be helpful to see what other options there are - recently bought ferrous sulphate.

One of my issues is already being a pescatarian & trying to remove gluten and cow dairy from my diet. I've introduced lots of other things (nuts, lentils, beans) and don't have an issue with high % dark chocolate 👍😂

Have a great weekend - so grateful for your insight & kindness!

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply toOatsforlife

Never supplement iron without doing full iron panel test for anaemia first and retest 3-4 times a year if self supplementing.

It’s possible to have low ferritin but high iron

Test early morning, only water to drink between waking and test. Avoid high iron rich dinner night before test

If taking any iron supplements stop 3-5 days before testing

Medichecks iron panel test

medichecks.com/products/iro...

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Posts discussing Three Arrows as very effective supplement

Great replies from @FallingInReverse

re ferritin and Three arrows

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu......

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Great reply by @fallinginreverse

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

restartmed.com/hypothyroidi...

Post discussing just how long it can take to raise low ferritin

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Iron and thyroid link

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Good iron but low ferritin

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

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Shellfish and Mussels are excellent source of iron

healthline.com/nutrition/he...

Iron deficiency without anaemia

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Ferritin over 100 to alleviate symptoms

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Great research article discussing similar…..ferritin over 100 often necessary

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

Low Iron implicated in hypothyroidism

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

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Oatsforlife in reply toSlowDragon

Thank you 🌹

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if necessary accept 50mcg and 75mcg on alternate days (62.5mcg average per day) while you work on improving low vitamin levels

Guidelines of dose Levo by weight

approx how much do you weigh in kilo

Even if we frequently start on only 50mcg, most people need to increase levothyroxine dose slowly upwards in 25mcg steps (retesting 6-8 weeks after each increase) until eventually on, or somewhere near full replacement dose (typically 1.6mcg levothyroxine per kilo of your weight per day)

cks.nice.org.uk/topics/hypo...

bnf.nice.org.uk/drugs/levot...

nhs.uk/medicines/levothyrox...

Adults usually start with a dose between 50 micrograms and 100 micrograms taken once a day. This may be increased gradually over a few weeks to between 100 micrograms and 200 micrograms taken once a day.

Some people need a bit less than guidelines, some a bit more

Comprehensive list of references for needing LOW TSH on levothyroxine

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu....

onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi...

If symptoms of hypothyroidism persist despite normalisation of TSH, the dose of levothyroxine can be titrated further to place the TSH in the lower part of the reference range or even slightly below (i.e., TSH: 0.1–2.0 mU/L), but avoiding TSH < 0.1 mU/L. Use of alternate day dosing of different levothyroxine strengths may be needed to achieve this (e.g., 100 mcg for 4 days; 125 mcg for 3 days weekly).

sciencedirect.com/science/a...

The optimal daily dose in overt hypothyroidism is 1·5–1·8 μg per kg of bodyweight, rounded to the nearest 25 μg.

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Oatsforlife in reply toSlowDragon

Thank you, so much!

Yes - fasted to take the test before 9 & before my morning Levo.

Unfortunately it’s extremely unlikely that my GP will support an increase as they said on Monday (before I had the Medicheck result) that my condition was ‘well controlled’ based on TSH that was slightly higher with their test 2 weeks ago. That conversation was about my migraines & neck pain.

I called today to ask when my next GP test would be & told them that my T4/T3 was low in range & they’re asking a GP to call me back. At the moment, ENT seem to be trying to help me more, by referring me to Endocrinologist directly?

Incidentally, they haven’t responded to me asking them to check whether it’s appropriate to prescribe propranolol for migraines yet either.

I’m probably around 70-75kg. I take 50mcg Hillcross Accord. I stopped taking multivitamins 12days before the test - I’ll post the vitamin & iron separately. 🙏

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