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Hello,

I was feeling terrible last year and the GP kept dismissing me. Then in desperation I pleaded for something to be done so I was sent for blood tests. A doctor telephoned and said my thyroid was hypo and to retest in 8 weeks. I did and they telephoned again and said my results were worse and due to a heart condition started me on 12.5mg of levothyroxine, increasing to 25mg.

They didn't contact me about retesting my levels once on levothyroxine. I only discovered from here that I should, so I sent a message asking for another blood test, nearly 3 months later, which was last week. To my shock from having learned a lot from you, my test results arrived today. They only tested TSH and there was a message to stay on 25mg levothyroxine and test again in 12 months. These were the results which are in range.

TSH 3.43 miu/L (range 0.35 - 4.94)

How do they know if they haven't tested the other things or is this ok? Throughout this they have never even seen me. I do feel better than I did as I felt terrible but I am still not the old me. Have I read too many of your posts and now worry this isn't right when I was expecting lots of results with T4 and T3 etc?

I would be grateful for your advice.

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SlowDragon profile image
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This is completely incorrect

Presumably you still have plenty of hypothyroid symptoms?

Symptoms of hypothyroidism

thyroiduk.org/signs-and-sym...

Make an appointment with GP or write email/letter requesting next increase in Levo to 50mcg daily

If GP won’t increase, request/politely insist on retesting thyroid including Ft4 and Ft3

Which brand of levothyroxine are you currently taking

Don’t change brand as you increase your dose

Initially you probably want to increase by only 12.5mcg to 37.5mcg ….cut a 25mcg in half to get 12.5mcg

ESSENTIAL to get vitamin D, folate , ferritin and B12 tested

Ask GP to test these and to test TPO and TG thyroid antibodies for autoimmune thyroid disease

Or test privately

ALWAYS test thyroid levels early morning, ideally just before 9am, only drink water between waking and test and last dose levothyroxine 24 hours before test

This gives highest TSH, lowest FT4 and most consistent results. (Patient to patient tip)

Private tests are available as NHS currently rarely tests Ft3 or all relevant vitamins

Testing options and includes money off codes for private testing

thyroiduk.org/testing/

Medichecks Thyroid plus BOTH TPO and TG antibodies and vitamins

medichecks.com/products/adv...

Blue Horizon Thyroid Premium Gold includes BOTH TPO and TG antibodies, cortisol and vitamins

bluehorizonbloodtests.co.uk...

Medichecks and BH also offer private blood draw at clinic near you, or private nurse to your own home…..for an extra fee

Only do private testing early Monday or Tuesday morning.

Tips on how to do DIY finger prick test

support.medichecks.com/hc/e...

If you normally take levothyroxine at bedtime/in night ...adjust timings as follows prior to blood test

If testing Monday morning, delay Saturday evening dose levothyroxine until Sunday morning. Delay Sunday evening dose levothyroxine until after blood test on Monday morning. Take Monday evening dose levothyroxine as per normal

Dhalialover profile image
Dhalialover in reply toSlowDragon

Thank you so much. I am pleased you agree this seems odd. I have all those symptoms. Last year I was falling asleep straight after work and at the weekends I could sleep 16 hours straight and I described it as coma sleeping as it was so deep. The fatigue was terrible and took two hours each morning to come round and a hot bath to ease the muscle aches and stiffness. My hair is so thin now and used to be super thick and I used to be a keen walker and gardener and last year just looking at the garden overwhelmed me. I was swerving the car as I nodded off and the final straw was when I crashed (only the car was hurt). I also had terrible constipation. Also an incredibly low heart rate so I had to have a procedure without sedation. The cold also causes me terrible pain and that hasn't improved as it is warmer but I still hurt with the cold. I am covered in burns on my stomach and hands from needing to have a hot bottle so close. The fatigue and aches have improved but I cannot do a 10 mile hike anymore. Just a short walk last weekend due to my improvement needed an afternoon nap. They kept saying it was anaemia as I have always been anaemic. They also said I was depressed but I was too tired to care about anything. My last two TSH results were 5.89 and 6.09 so I can see the improvement, but I will make an appointment and ask for a better review. I also kept choking when I ate and I assumed it was acid but that has also really improved so clearly I had symptoms I had never linked to thyroid. Many thanks.

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SlowDragonAmbassador in reply toDhalialover

You will possibly need to push for next increase

If necessary request “trial increase “ to 50mcg - this is only the standard STARTER dose

Guidelines of dose Levo by weight

approx how much do you weigh in kilo

Even if we frequently start on only 50mcg, most people need to increase levothyroxine dose slowly upwards in 25mcg steps (retesting 6-8 weeks after each increase) until eventually on, or somewhere near full replacement dose (typically 1.6mcg levothyroxine per kilo of your weight per day)

cks.nice.org.uk/topics/hypo...

bnf.nice.org.uk/drugs/levot...

nhs.uk/medicines/levothyrox...

Adults usually start with a dose between 50 micrograms and 100 micrograms taken once a day. This may be increased gradually over a few weeks to between 100 micrograms and 200 micrograms taken once a day.

Some people need a bit less than guidelines, some a bit more

TSH should always be below 2 on levothyroxine

gponline.com/endocrinology-...

Graph showing median TSH in healthy population is 1-1.5

web.archive.org/web/2004060...

Comprehensive list of references for needing LOW TSH on levothyroxine

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu....

onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi...

If symptoms of hypothyroidism persist despite normalisation of TSH, the dose of levothyroxine can be titrated further to place the TSH in the lower part of the reference range or even slightly below (i.e., TSH: 0.1–2.0 mU/L), but avoiding TSH < 0.1 mU/L. Use of alternate day dosing of different levothyroxine strengths may be needed to achieve this (e.g., 100 mcg for 4 days; 125 mcg for 3 days weekly).

sciencedirect.com/science/a...

The optimal daily dose in overt hypothyroidism is 1·5–1·8 μg per kg of bodyweight, rounded to the nearest 25 μg.

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SlowDragonAmbassador in reply toDhalialover

They kept saying it was anaemia as I have always been anaemic.

Low iron and ferritin strongly linked to being hypothyroid

Low vitamin levels tend to lower TSH (all many medics look at)

Essential to test and maintain GOOD vitamin D, folate, B12 and ferritin

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Dhalialover in reply toSlowDragon

Thank you so much. I weigh 48kg so by your calculation I need to work up to 75mg of levothyroxine. I was 45kg when I was fitter before the fatigue set in. I have been anaemic with every blood test since I was a teenager. The best I have ever been is just within range. B12 has always been high and Vitamin D has been fine since I started supplements. I will make an appointment with the GP and raise all this. Thank you so much for all your help. I am very grateful.

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SlowDragonAmbassador in reply toDhalialover

cks.nice.org.uk/topics/anae...

Serum ferritin level is the biochemical test, which most reliably correlates with relative total body iron stores. In all people, a serum ferritin level of less than 30 micrograms/L confirms the diagnosis of iron deficiency

Never supplement iron without doing full iron panel test for anaemia first and retest 3-4 times a year if self supplementing.

It’s possible to have low ferritin but high iron

Test early morning, only water to drink between waking and test. Avoid high iron rich dinner night before test

If taking any iron supplements stop 3-5 days before testing

Medichecks iron panel test

medichecks.com/products/iro...

monitormyhealth.org.uk/anae...

10% off code here

thyroiduk.org/testing/priva...

Look at increasing iron rich foods in diet

Eating iron rich foods like liver or liver pate once a week plus other red meat, pumpkin seeds and dark chocolate, plus daily orange juice or other vitamin C rich drink can help improve iron absorption

List of iron rich foods

dailyiron.net

Links about iron and ferritin

irondisorders.org/too-littl...

davidg170.sg-host.com/wp-co...

Great in-depth article on low ferritin

oatext.com/iron-deficiency-...

drhedberg.com/ferritin-hypo...

This is interesting because I have noticed that many patients with Hashimoto’s disease and hypothyroidism, start to feel worse when their ferritin drops below 80 and usually there is hair loss when it drops below 50.

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Posts discussing Three Arrows as very effective supplement

Great replies from @FallingInReverse

re ferritin and Three arrows

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu......

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Great reply by @fallinginreverse

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Ferrodyn supplement

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Iron patches

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Thyroid disease is as much about optimising vitamins as thyroid hormones

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

restartmed.com/hypothyroidi...

Post discussing just how long it can take to raise low ferritin

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Iron and thyroid link

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Posts discussing why important to do full iron panel test

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Good iron but low ferritin

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Chicken livers if iron is good, but ferritin low

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Shellfish and Mussels are excellent source of iron

healthline.com/nutrition/he...

Iron deficiency without anaemia

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Ferritin over 100 to alleviate symptoms

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Great research article discussing similar…..ferritin over 100 often necessary

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

Low Iron implicated in hypothyroidism

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Really interesting talk on YouTube, link in reply by Humanbean discussing both iron deficiency and towards end how inflammation can also be an issue

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Inflammation affecting ferritin

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Updated reference ranges for top of ferritin range depending upon age

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Thank you for your incredible patience while you have been awaiting the outcome of our ferritin reference range review. We conducted this with Inuvi lab, which has now changed the reference ranges to the following:

Females 18 ≤ age < 40. 30 to 180

Females 40 ≤ age < 50. 30 to 207

Females 50 ≤ age < 60. 30 to 264

Females Age ≥ 60. 30 to 332

Males 18 ≤ age < 40 30 to 442

Males Age ≥ 40 30 to 518

The lower limits of 30 are by the NICE threshold of <30 for iron deficiency. Our review of Medichecks data has determined the upper limits. This retrospective study used a large dataset of blood test results from 25,425 healthy participants aged 18 to 97 over seven years. This is the most extensive study on ferritin reference ranges, and we hope to achieve journal publication so that these ranges can be applied more widely.

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SlowDragonAmbassador in reply toDhalialover

I have been anaemic with every blood test since I was a teenager.

While still eating high gluten diet ask GP for coeliac blood test first as per NICE Guidelines

nice.org.uk/guidance/ng20/c...

1.1 Recognition of coeliac disease

1.1.1

Offer serological testing for coeliac disease to:

people with any of the following:

persistent unexplained abdominal or gastrointestinal symptoms

faltering growth

prolonged fatigue

unexpected weight loss

severe or persistent mouth ulcers

unexplained iron, vitamin B12 or folate deficiency

type 1 diabetes, at diagnosis

autoimmune thyroid disease, at diagnosis

irritable bowel syndrome (in adults)

first‑degree relatives of people with coeliac disease.

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Dhalialover in reply toSlowDragon

Hi, this is so helpful. I am sure I am anaemic again now as I haven't taken any iron medication in 6 months. They took me off it when I reached this highest record level below as I am normally below 30 but it sounds like this is still too low.

Serum Ferritin 37 ug/L (range 3.0 - 250)

I have had so many tests for ceoliac disease, crohns and ulcerative colitis. I always test ok although a gastroenterologist said something is wrong just not enough to be any of those so he diagnosed severe atopic gut dismotility (ibs). I really struggle with food, even gluten free. Not much stays put so I have always been slim or underweight.

I will definitely ask for an iron profile as well as full thyroid profile.

Thank you so much. I will keep you posted.

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SlowDragonAmbassador in reply toDhalialover

Serum Ferritin 37 ug/L (range 3.0 - 250)

This is typical…..they stop prescribing iron supplements as soon as you get out of deficient state

You will need to self supplement to maintain GOOD Ferritin

However it’s important that iron level doesn’t go too high…..this can happen before ferritin levels get high enough.

If iron goes high then you can only increase ferritin by iron rich diet not supplements

Test full iron panel 3-4 times a year if self supplementing iron

Will tag humanbean to comment

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SlowDragonAmbassador in reply toDhalialover

I have had so many tests for ceoliac disease, crohns and ulcerative colitis. I always test ok although a gastroenterologist said something is wrong just not enough to be any of those so he diagnosed severe atopic gut dismotility (ibs). I really struggle with food, even gluten free. Not much stays put so I have always been slim or underweight.

So it’s likely you do need to be gluten free

Have you tried this ….if yes….how long for

Thyroid patients can also react to nightshade family - potatoes, aubergine, peppers

You should find getting thyroid levels improved will help with poor gut function and poor absorption

Especially improving low ft3 and vitamin levels

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tattybogle

just getting TSH 'anywhere in range' is not good enough so hopefully you can make good use of these 3 :

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu.... -list-of-references-recommending-gps-keep-tsh-lower-in-range

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these are what GP should be guided by : nice.org.uk/guidance/ng145/...

"Tests for follow-up and monitoring of primary hypothyroidism

1.4.1

Aim to maintain TSH levels within the reference range when treating primary hypothyroidism with levothyroxine. If symptoms persist, consider adjusting the dose of levothyroxine further to achieve optimal wellbeing, but avoid using doses that cause TSH suppression or thyrotoxicosis.

1.4.2

Be aware that the TSH level can take up to 6 months to return to the reference range for people who had a very high TSH level before starting treatment with levothyroxine or a prolonged period of untreated hypothyroidism. Take this into account when adjusting the dose of levothyroxine.

Adults

1.4.3

For adults who are taking levothyroxine for primary hypothyroidism, consider measuring TSH every 3 months until the level has stabilised (2 similar measurements within the reference range 3 months apart), and then once a year.

1.4.4

Consider measuring FT4 as well as TSH for adults who continue to have symptoms of hypothyroidism after starting levothyroxine."

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healthunlocked.com/thyroidu... explanation-of-what-*high-tsh-is-telling-us-when-our-ft4-level-is-normal-on-levothyroxine-the-shoe-size-analogy.-*-over-2.5-3-ish

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You have received great advice from other members. I just wanted to add ‘hang in there’ and keep posting to let us know how you are getting on Dhalialover 🦋

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