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Hello

I saw the GP yesterday about a lump in my neck which he thinks is my thyroid. It is larger on one side but also a smaller lump on the other. I first noticed it five months ago but ignored it as I decided it was just a fatty neck of old age. I am 56F. However recently I saw it was much bigger so went to GP. He has referred me for urgent scan and maybe biopsy, and bloods next week. When I swallow it sticks out a lot to the side. It has grown a lot in last five months.

20 months ago I had a blood test as I had neuropathy and wanted B12 tested. My B12 was low end of range (281) but 'normal' so GP said you're fine. Of course I thought stuff that and started supplements.

In this blood test 20 months ago my TSH was

0.33 (0.3-4.9)

I have no other thyroid data.

I have suffered insomnia and palpitations for years.

I have gritty eyes last two weeks.

No weight loss/gain

Heart rate and blood pressure normal.

The lump makes me cough, I can feel it when I swallow, but no pain. My voice is a bit hoarse.

I have been getting occasional bouts of fatigue and dizziness. But usually I feel okay.

Any advice on how to handle this is appreciated or thoughts on the situation appreciated. I suspect AI Graves and pernicious anemia. But there's no family history. I suspect I was always slightly hyperthyroid but no-one ever made connection.

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Kilff,

A few points which might help. Extraordinarily unlikely to be Graves with a TSH in range (even at the bottom). And an awful lot of those who have Graves have several symptoms which together make a strong case.

Has your B12 risen by taking oral supplements? If it has risen substantially, you are less likely to have Pernicious Anaemia. Lots of people have reduced B12 absorption as we get older. And without any knowledge of your diet, very difficult to make any useful comments. But those who have a diet that doesn't have much B12 often see levels drop.

I think you need two things:

A proper thyroid assessment.

An ultrasound, MRI or whatever scan.

If you could manage it, a private blood test might help in understanding. NHS testing rarely includes Free T3, Thyroglobulin antibodies - and only sometimes includes Thyroid Peroxidase antibodies. If there is any possibility of Graves, then a TSH Receptor antibodies test (TRab) would be necessary.

This links to several options:

thyroiduk.org/testing/priva...

Do ask if you want more information.

Autoimmune thyroid disease can cause a goitre. As can iodine deficiency - but iodine discussions can go on at great length!

I had insomnia from low thyroid hormone levels - as have many others. And heart rate issues (speed and/or palpitations) can happen whether over or under on thyroid hormone.

You sound a bit like me. I'm 55F, I've had a goitre and felt rubbish since 2016. My TSH has been around 0.27/0.3 consistently since then. I had a benign multinodular goitre in 2016, scanned but no follow up. Was constantly told I was just fatigued post surgeries (5 x GA' over 18 months) and then that I was perimenopausal and as I was trying to avoid HRT I should just live with it

Nobody was bothered about my TSH as it was "in range". T4 was checked a couple of times since then but was always in range

I got much worse from Autumn 2023, elevated heart rate, poor sleep, anxiety, physically exhausted . Goitre increased in 2024 at the same time symptoms increased.

HRT helped for 6 weeks but really did show that there was an underlying condition.

NHS endo wouldn't accept my GP's referral as my TSH is "in range" so I'm obviously absolutely fine 🙄

I saw a private endo just over 2 weeks ago, I took my private blood results to him (Lola Elite). He listened and came up with exactly what I've been telling my GP, subclinical hyperactive thyroid which is making my symptomatic. He says we don't all fit in boxes (hallelujah!) and whilst many aren't symptomatic with subclinical hyperthyroidism many like me are.

I'm taking 5mg carbimazole on alternate days for a 6 week trial and tentatively, crossing my fingers, I think I am feeling less rubbish and my episodes of racing heartrate seem slightly improved. Its very early days but I'm encouraged so far.

He also advised me to get my vitamin D up to over 100 from the 55/60 on tests at the end of November.

I've had all my antibodies tested and none of mine are elevated. I'd definitely recommend getting then tested so you've got a starting point for what is going on.

Mine looks to be that the nodules are producing thyroid hormone.

If you look at my other posts and bio you'll see more of the history. I hope it helps you and good luck

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For full Thyroid evaluation you need TSH, FT4 and FT3 tested

Also both TPO and TG thyroid antibodies tested at least once for autoimmune thyroid

Very important to test vitamin D, folate, ferritin and B12 too

Low vitamin levels are extremely common when hypothyroid, especially with autoimmune thyroid disease

About 90% of primary hypothyroidism is autoimmune thyroid disease, usually diagnosed by high TPO and/or high TG thyroid antibodies

Autoimmune thyroid disease with goitre is Hashimoto’s

Autoimmune thyroid disease without goitre is Ord’s thyroiditis.

Both are autoimmune and generally called Hashimoto’s.

Significant minority of Hashimoto’s patients only have high TG antibodies (thyroglobulin)

NHS only tests TG antibodies if TPO are high

20% of autoimmune thyroid patients never have high thyroid antibodies and ultrasound scan of thyroid can get diagnosis

In U.K. medics hardly ever refer to autoimmune thyroid disease as Hashimoto’s (or Ord’s thyroiditis)

Essential to test vitamin D, folate, ferritin and B12

Lower vitamin levels more common as we get older

For good conversion of Ft4 (levothyroxine) to Ft3 (active hormone) we must maintain GOOD vitamin levels

What vitamin supplements are you taking ….if any

Recommended that all thyroid blood tests early morning, ideally just before 9am, only drink water between waking and test

This gives highest TSH, lowest FT4 and most consistent results. (Patient to patient tip)

Private tests are available as NHS currently rarely tests Ft3 or all relevant vitamins

Testing options and includes money off codes for private testing

thyroiduk.org/testing/

Medichecks Thyroid plus BOTH TPO and TG antibodies and vitamins

medichecks.com/products/adv...

Blue Horizon Thyroid Premium Gold includes BOTH TPO and TG antibodies, cortisol and vitamins

bluehorizonbloodtests.co.uk...

Medichecks and BH also offer private blood draw at clinic near you, or private nurse to your own home…..for an extra fee

Only do private testing early Monday or Tuesday morning.

Tips on how to do DIY finger prick test

support.medichecks.com/hc/e...

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Kilff

Thanks all, I will report back after I get my blood test results.

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