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Hi

Just providing an update on this post

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I just want to say thank you to everyone who commented and helped :)

After the message about waiting 3 years for another retest I contacted my GP again to request an appointment to discuss - They didn't offer an actual appointment with a Doctor but said I would get a phonecall with a pharmacist - It took 2 weeks but I just had my call

She was great - very understanding - I told her all the symptoms I was having (weight gain of over 1 stone in 3 months, cold hands and feet, brittle nails, fatigue, very irregular periods, brain fog etc)

She said that she would prescribe me a starting dose of levo at 50mg and we will do another blood test in 8 weeks to see how that is working

She did advise that as my results were within normal rage albeit on the edge of the "normal" range that I might not notice any difference in my symptoms as they could all also be explained by my age and possibly the start of peri menopause - but its a start.

as advised by SlowDragon (Thank you :)) I'm also planning on starting taking a supplement for vitamin D in addition to the folate that I'm currently taking - (Ferratin and B12 were normal)

I think I was extremely lucky to speak to someone who actually listened to me and then took action. hopefully the Levo will help

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. well done that pharmacist .

mind you , your fT4 is in normal range , but your TSH of 6 .02 is definitely not (the highest top end for a TSH range i've seen is 6, but most of them nowadays are about 4.5/ 4.9 ish ~ always get the lab reference ranges with your test results, as they do vary),

anyway , you got levo and 8 wks is a reasonable time to see how 50mcg goes , it is quite likely you 'll need dose increase at that point .

See how it goes , but don't be surprised of you feel better for a week or so on 50mcg then not so good again, that often happens.

Keep these 2 posts up your sleeve for later , you may need them:

GP's should be aiming to keep TSH under 2/2.5 in all patients on levo, list of references here :

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu.... ist-of-references-recommending-gps-keep-tsh-lower-in-range

some GP's may think once TSH is somewhere in range ie (3 or 4 ish) that is good enough ,and you don't need an increase , but TSH 'in range' is not the same as 'optimal for the individual' simple explanation : the shoe size analogy : healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

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A Helpful Quote from another members GP ,on what to expect when starting treatment for hypothyroidism.

"The way my new GP described it was ..."You know how your body is continually breaking down and rebuilding itself? Well, the thyroid controls the rebuilding, so if it isn't working you carry on breaking down but don't rebuild properly. Your body now has a lot of catching up to do, which will take a minimum of 12 months, probably a lot longer...." or words to that effect. He also said it would be a saw tooth recovery (get better, go backwards a bit, get better, go backwards a bit) and he's been right so far."

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well done on making progress

A TSH over 6 is NOT borderline

Starting Levo

If possible………Avoid Teva brand Levo initially as it upsets many people.

Levothyroxine is an extremely fussy hormone and should always be taken on an empty stomach and then nothing apart from water for at least an hour after

Many people take Levothyroxine soon after waking, but it may be more convenient and perhaps more effective taken at bedtime

verywellhealth.com/best-tim...

markvanderpump.co.uk/blog/p...

markvanderpump.co.uk/blog/p...

No other medication or supplements at same as Levothyroxine, leave at least 2 hour gap.

Some like iron, calcium, magnesium, HRT, omeprazole or vitamin D should be four hours away

(Time gap doesn't apply to Vitamin D mouth spray)

If you normally take levothyroxine at bedtime/in night ...adjust timings as follows prior to blood test

If testing Monday morning, delay Saturday evening dose levothyroxine until Sunday morning. Delay Sunday evening dose levothyroxine until after blood test on Monday morning. Take Monday evening dose levothyroxine as per normal

Post about Timings

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At next test

You need thyroid antibodies tested at next test to see if your hypothyroidism is autoimmune

About 90% of primary hypothyroidism is autoimmune thyroid disease, usually diagnosed by high TPO and/or high TG thyroid antibodies

Autoimmune thyroid disease with goitre is Hashimoto’s

Autoimmune thyroid disease without goitre is Ord’s thyroiditis.

Both are autoimmune and generally called Hashimoto’s.

Significant minority of Hashimoto’s patients only have high TG antibodies (thyroglobulin)

NHS only tests TG antibodies if TPO are high

20% of autoimmune thyroid patients never have high thyroid antibodies and ultrasound scan of thyroid can get diagnosis

In U.K. medics hardly ever refer to autoimmune thyroid disease as Hashimoto’s (or Ord’s thyroiditis)

Recommended that all thyroid blood tests early morning, ideally just before 9am, only drink water between waking and test and last dose levothyroxine 24 hours before test

This gives highest TSH, lowest FT4 and most consistent results. (Patient to patient tip)

Vitamin levels

Once you finish your prescription folic acid ……recommend starting daily vitamin B complex to maintain good B vitamins

Igennus B complex popular option. Nice small tablets. Most people only find they need one per day. But a few people find it’s not high enough dose and may need separate methyl folate couple times a week

Post discussing different B complex

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what was your vitamin D result?

How much vitamin D are you taking

Private tests are available as NHS currently rarely tests Ft3 or all relevant vitamins

Post all about what time of day to test

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Testing options and includes money off codes for private testing

thyroiduk.org/testing/

Medichecks Thyroid plus BOTH TPO and TG antibodies and vitamins

medichecks.com/products/adv...

Blue Horizon Thyroid Premium Gold includes BOTH TPO and TG antibodies, cortisol and vitamins

bluehorizonbloodtests.co.uk...

Medichecks and BH also offer private blood draw at clinic near you, or private nurse to your own home…..for an extra fee

Only do private testing early Monday or Tuesday morning.

Tips on how to do DIY finger prick test

support.medichecks.com/hc/e...

If you normally take levothyroxine at bedtime/in night ...adjust timings as follows prior to blood test

If testing Monday morning, delay Saturday evening dose levothyroxine until Sunday morning. Delay Sunday evening dose levothyroxine until after blood test on Monday morning. Take Monday evening dose levothyroxine as per normal

Randox FULL thyroid test including both thyroid antibodies just £29

Test at home or in clinic

randoxhealth.com/en-GB/at-h...

IMPORTANT......If you are taking vitamin B complex, or any supplements containing biotin, remember to stop these 5-7 days before ALL BLOOD TESTS , as biotin can falsely affect test results

endo.confex.com/endo/2016en...

endocrinenews.endocrine.org...

In week before blood test, when you stop vitamin B complex, you might want to consider taking a separate folate supplement (eg Jarrow methyl folate 400mcg)

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Sewingmad24 in reply toSlowDragon

Hi

Sorry for the late response to your very detailed reply - I had typed something out but appears i forgot to post it 🫣

Im taking the Levo (Brand is Crescent) first thing in the morning currently and then my other meds about 1.5 hours afterwards.

I hadn't started taking a Vit D supplement (i had only ordered them)

I took your advise regarding a blood test and i had one done through Medichecks - mainly to check Vit D and antibodies

(Monday 8:30 am test with no meds/food/caffeine) Pre Levo (i took my first tablet just fater this test)

My results are

CRP HS - 1.59 mg/L - (Range <3 - within normal range)

Ferritin - 124 ug/L - (Range 30-207 - within normal range)

Folate Serum - >45.4 nmol/L - (Range >7 - now in normal range as I'm taking supplements)

Vit B12 Active - 80 pmol/L - (Range >37 - within normal range)

Vit D - 27 nmol/L - (Range 50 - 200) Suggested I take 20-50mcg per day for 10 weeks then reduce to 10mcg per day maintenance

TSH - 9.8 mIU/L - (Range 0.27 to 4.2) (previous 2 tests were 6.66 and 6.02)

Free T3 - 4.2 pmol/L - (Range 3.1 to 6.8 - Within normal range)

Free T4 - 12.4 pmol/L - (Range 12 to 22 - borderline as per previous tests) (previous 2 tests were 13.7 and 12)

Thyroglobulin Antibodies - 181 KIU/L - (Range 0-115 - outside normal range)

Thyroid peroxidase antibodies - 15 KUI/L - (Range 0-34 - within normal range)

TSH is higher again than the previous two tests but T4 is about the same

Vitamin D - i'll start taking the supplements now and bring those levels up

the one that i am unclear on is the thyroglobulin antibodies - what does that reading mean - should i make another doctors appointment to discuss or is it ok to wait until I go back in 8 weeks to do the retest after starting Levo

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply toSewingmad24

How much levothyroxine are you taking

How long have you been taking this dose BEFORE this test

Or this result from before starting on levothyroxine?

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Sewingmad24 in reply toSlowDragon

I've been prescribed 50mgBut this result was before I started taking it (I picked up my script on sat 4th but as I knew that I was doing the blood test on Monday I didn't start taking it until after the test on monday 6th)

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply toSewingmad24

Ok ……that’s what I suspected

Which brand is your 50mcg Levo?

Levothyroxine is an extremely fussy hormone and should always be taken on an empty stomach and then nothing apart from water for at least an hour after

Many people take Levothyroxine soon after waking, but it may be more convenient and perhaps more effective taken at bedtime

verywellhealth.com/best-tim...

markvanderpump.co.uk/blog/p...

markvanderpump.co.uk/blog/p...

No other medication or supplements at same as Levothyroxine, leave at least 2 hour gap.

Some like iron, calcium, magnesium, HRT, omeprazole or vitamin D should be four hours away

(Time gap doesn't apply to Vitamin D mouth spray)

Retest thyroid levels in 6-8 weeks

Recommended that all thyroid blood tests early morning, ideally just before 9am, only drink water between waking and test and last dose levothyroxine 24 hours before test

This gives highest TSH, lowest FT4 and most consistent results. (Patient to patient tip)

If you decide to normally take levothyroxine at bedtime/in night ...adjust timings as follows prior to blood test

If testing Monday morning, delay Saturday evening dose levothyroxine until Sunday morning. Delay Sunday evening dose levothyroxine until after blood test on Monday morning. Take Monday evening dose levothyroxine as per normal

Post about Timings

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

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