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Morning lovely people,So I finally managed to stick at my dose increase to 100 levo (thanks to all who have helped me crack this). I did 5 weeks at 87.5 then 8 weeks at 100.

My new results are:

TSH 1.81 (0.27-4.2)

T4 17.7 (12 - 22) 57%

T3 4.9 (3.1 - 6.8) 48.6%

They have not moved as much as I expected from May when I was on 75mcg

TSH 3.38 (0.27-4.2)

T4 17 (12 -22)

T3 4.7 (3.1 - 6.8)

So from this, I assume I have room for another increase to 125mcg (I'll start with 112.5). Does my conversion look okay? My T3 has only gone up by .2 ? I assume this is why I still feel exhausted.

Thanks all ☺️

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yes agreed

Which brand of levothyroxine are you taking

Do you always get same brand at each prescription

Is your hypothyroidism autoimmune

I couldn’t see any antibodies tests on your helpful profile page

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Dahliasanddaisies in reply toSlowDragon

Thanks slowdragon, yes always get Accord. Tested positive for antibodies

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So have you had coeliac blood test

While still eating high gluten diet ask GP for coeliac blood test first as per NICE Guidelines

nice.org.uk/guidance/ng20/c...

Or buy a test online, about £20

Assuming test is negative you can immediately go on strictly gluten free diet 

(If test is positive you will need to remain on high gluten diet until endoscopy, maximum 6 weeks wait officially) 

Poor gut function with Hashimoto’s can lead leaky gut (literally holes in gut wall) this can cause food intolerances.

Most common by far is gluten. Dairy is second most common.

A trial of strictly gluten free diet is always worth doing

Only 5% of Hashimoto’s patients test positive for coeliac but a further 81% of Hashimoto’s patients who try gluten free diet find noticeable or significant improvement or find it’s essential

A strictly gluten free diet helps or is essential due to gluten intolerance (no test available) or due to leaky gut and gluten causing molecular mimicry (see Amy Myers link)

Changing to a strictly gluten free diet may help reduce symptoms, help gut heal and may slowly lower TPO antibodies

Trying gluten free diet for 3-6 months. If no noticeable improvement then reintroduce gluten and see if symptoms get worse

chriskresser.com/the-gluten...

amymyersmd.com/2018/04/3-re...

thyroidpharmacist.com/artic...

drknews.com/changing-your-d...

Non Coeliac Gluten sensitivity (NCGS) and autoimmune disease

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/296...

The predominance of Hashimoto thyroiditis represents an interesting finding, since it has been indirectly confirmed by an Italian study, showing that autoimmune thyroid disease is a risk factor for the evolution towards NCGS in a group of patients with minimal duodenal inflammation. On these bases, an autoimmune stigma in NCGS is strongly supported

nuclmed.gr/wp/wp-content/up...

In summary, whereas it is not yet clear whether a gluten free diet can prevent autoimmune diseases, it is worth mentioning that HT patients with or without CD benefit from a diet low in gluten as far as the progression and the potential disease complications are concerned

restartmed.com/hashimotos-g...

Despite the fact that 5-10% of patients have Celiac disease, in my experience and in the experience of many other physicians, at least 80% + of patients with Hashimoto's who go gluten-free notice a reduction in their symptoms almost immediately.

Similarly few months later consider trying dairy free too. Approx 50-60% find dairy free beneficial

With loads of vegan dairy alternatives these days it’s not as difficult as in the past

Post discussing gluten

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

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Dahliasanddaisies in reply toSlowDragon

Yes I had one last year when they were first investigating! I've been gluten free for about 3 months and dairy free for quite some time

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply toDahliasanddaisies

As you are dairy free consider changing to lactose free Levo

Best option is Vencamil - lactose and Mannitol free

Vencamil (currently 100mcg only) is lactose free and mannitol free. 25mcg and 50mcg tablets hopefully available from summer 2024 …..but not arrived yet

March 2023 - Aristo changed to be called Vencamil

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How to get Vencamil stocked at your local pharmacy

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Dahliasanddaisies in reply toSlowDragon

Yes I did try Vencamil and still have 2 boxes, after 4/5 days I felt awful, really extreme anxiety. I'm reluctant to take again. Do you not think I just need a dose increase on Accord?

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply toDahliasanddaisies

Interesting reaction to Vencamil

Not heard of anyone not getting on well with this brand before

Yes then just stick to Accord and increase slowly

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Dahliasanddaisies in reply toSlowDragon

It was probably just the 'usual' anxiety I get during a dose increase. I swapped from 100 accord to 100 vencamil at some point in May and the spike in my anxiety sent me back to 75mcg of accord. It was probably due to the increase rather than the brand really. I'll maybe try again when I'm feeling more settled

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Congrats on a wonderfully patient low and slow increase!

I’ve done almost identical! 87.5 to 100 and currently in the middle of 112.5) except I also have 10 T3.

I was mid range FT4 and top FT3. And do think bringing my ft4 up has helped, as many say it should, but won’t know until a couple weeks if I’ve overshot.

Good luck on your next increase!!

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Dahliasanddaisies in reply toFallingInReverse

Ah well done to you to! It's a marathon that's for sure. Really hope the next increase brings me some energy 🙏

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