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Hi I have been taking levothyroxine 50mcg since 2015 my dose has never changed as my GP always says my blood results are within range

I have never felt really well on levothyroxine and also the tinnitus I experience seems to increase a while after I take it. A friend said to try taking it at night but it doesn’t make any difference to when I take it in the morning.

I also have hearing problems am under ENT

I have B12 injections 3 monthly and also take Vit D tablets.

Any advice appreciated thank you

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greygoose profile image
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Just being 'in range' is not good enough. It's not the same as optimal. Do you get a print-out of your blood test results? It's your legal right to have one. If you have them, post your results and ranges here and let's have a look. I very much doubt if 50 mcg levo is your optimal dose, it's a starter dose. And tinnitus and hearing problems can be hypo symptoms.

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Dukemaster in reply to greygoose

thank you very much for your reply I had some private bloods done quite some time ago will look up the results and post

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well as 50mcg is only the standard STARTER dose you are very likely in need of dose increase

Also low vitamin levels direct result

ALWAYS get actual results and ranges

Do you have recent results?

Which brand of Levo are you using

Bloods should be retested 6-8 weeks after each dose change or brand change in levothyroxine

For full Thyroid evaluation you need TSH, FT4 and FT3 tested

Also both TPO and TG thyroid antibodies tested at least once

Very important to test vitamin D, folate, ferritin and B12 at least once year minimum

About 90% of primary hypothyroidism is autoimmune thyroid disease, usually diagnosed by high thyroid antibodies

Autoimmune thyroid disease with goitre is Hashimoto’s

Autoimmune thyroid disease without goitre is Ord’s thyroiditis.

Both are autoimmune and generally called Hashimoto’s.

Low vitamin levels are extremely common when hypothyroid, especially with autoimmune thyroid disease

20% of autoimmune thyroid patients never have high thyroid antibodies and ultrasound scan of thyroid can get diagnosis

In U.K. medics hardly ever refer to autoimmune thyroid disease as Hashimoto’s (or Ord’s thyroiditis)

Recommended that all thyroid blood tests early morning, ideally just before 9am, only drink water between waking and test and last dose levothyroxine 24 hours before test

This gives highest TSH, lowest FT4 and most consistent results. (Patient to patient tip)

Request new test via GP including vitamins

Also thyroid antibodies if not been tested

Private tests are available as NHS currently rarely tests Ft3 or all relevant vitamins

Testing options and includes money off codes for private testing

thyroiduk.org/testing/

Medichecks Thyroid plus antibodies and vitamins

medichecks.com/products/adv...

Blue Horizon Thyroid Premium Gold includes antibodies, cortisol and vitamins

bluehorizonbloodtests.co.uk...

Only do private testing early Monday or Tuesday morning.

Link about thyroid blood tests

thyroiduk.org/testing/thyro...

Link about Hashimoto’s

thyroiduk.org/hypothyroid-b...

Symptoms of hypothyroidism

thyroiduk.org/signs-and-sym...

Tips on how to do DIY finger prick test

support.medichecks.com/hc/e...

Medichecks and BH also offer private blood draw at clinic near you, or private nurse to your own home…..for an extra fee

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Dukemaster in reply to SlowDragon

Hi thank you for your reply I’m going to look up my last private bloods taken quite a while ago then will post will always appreciate comments

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply to Dukemaster

I’m going to look up my last private bloods taken quite a while ago

If test results more than 6 months old get new tests as next step

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Looking at previous posts

You’re female age 65 (please add on your profile)

approx how much do you weigh

guidelines on dose levothyroxine by weight

Even if we frequently start on only 50mcg, most people need to increase levothyroxine dose slowly upwards in 25mcg steps (retesting 6-8 weeks after each increase) until eventually on, or near full replacement dose

pathlabs.rlbuht.nhs.uk/tft_...

Guiding Treatment with Thyroxine:

In the majority of patients 50-100 μg thyroxine can be used as the starting dose. Alterations in dose are achieved by using 25-50 μg increments and adequacy of the new dose can be confirmed by repeat measurement of TSH after 2-3 months.

The majority of patients will be clinically euthyroid with a ‘normal’ TSH and having thyroxine replacement in the range 75-150 μg/day (1.6ug/Kg on average).

The recommended approach is to titrate thyroxine therapy against the TSH concentration whilst assessing clinical well-being. The target is a serum TSH within the reference range.

……The primary target of thyroxine replacement therapy is to make the patient feel well and to achieve a serum TSH that is within the reference range. The corresponding FT4 will be within or slightly above its reference range.

The minimum period to achieve stable concentrations after a change in dose of thyroxine is two months and thyroid function tests should not normally be requested before this period has elapsed.

Looking at previous posts 5 years ago

Extremely low/deficient ferritin

Essential to maintain GOOD vitamin D, folate, ferritin and B12

As you have B12 injections you should be taking a daily vitamin B complex…..are you?

How much vitamin D daily

Retest twice year

vitamin levels likely low BECAUSE only on starter dose levothyroxine

TSH should be under 2 as an absolute maximum when on levothyroxine

gponline.com/endocrinology-...

Graph showing median TSH in healthy population is 1-1.5

web.archive.org/web/2004060...

Comprehensive list of references for needing LOW TSH on levothyroxine

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu....

onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi...

If symptoms of hypothyroidism persist despite normalisation of TSH, the dose of levothyroxine can be titrated further to place the TSH in the lower part of the reference range or even slightly below (i.e., TSH: 0.1–2.0 mU/L), but avoiding TSH < 0.1 mU/L. Use of alternate day dosing of different levothyroxine strengths may be needed to achieve this (e.g., 100 mcg for 4 days; 125 mcg for 3 days weekly).

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Dukemaster in reply to SlowDragon

Thank you for your reply I do not take a B complex daily as never been advised to

I’m going to look up my last private bloods taken and will post for any comments thank you once again

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply to Dukemaster

I do not take a B complex daily as never been advised to

GP’s rarely know anything about importance of GOOD vitamin levels with thyroid disease

As you have B12 injections it’s recommended also to supplement a good quality daily vitamin B complex, one with folate in (not folic acid)

This can help keep all B vitamins in balance and will help improve/maintain B12 levels between injections too

Difference between folate and folic acid

healthline.com/nutrition/fo...

B vitamins best taken after breakfast

Thorne Basic B recommended vitamin B complex that contains folate, but they are large capsules. (You can tip powder out if can’t swallow capsule)

Thorne currently difficult to find at reasonable price, should be around £20-£25. iherb.com often have in stock. Or try ebay

Igennus B complex popular option too. Nice small tablets. Most people only find they need one per day. But a few people find it’s not high enough dose

Post discussing different B complex

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

IMPORTANT......If you are taking vitamin B complex, or any supplements containing biotin, remember to stop these 7 days before ALL BLOOD TESTS , as biotin can falsely affect test results

endo.confex.com/endo/2016en...

endocrinenews.endocrine.org...

In week before blood test, when you stop vitamin B complex, you might want to consider taking a separate folate supplement (eg Jarrow methyl folate 400mcg)

Post discussing how biotin can affect test results

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

helvella.blogspot.com/p/hel...

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Dukemaster in reply to SlowDragon

Thank you for this information I will look for this Vitamin B

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How much vitamin D are you taking

aiming to maintain vitamin D at least over 80nmol

Keeping between 100-125nmol may be more beneficial

GP will often only prescribe to bring vitamin D levels to 50nmol.

Some areas will prescribe to bring levels to 75nmol or even 80nmol

leedsformulary.nhs.uk/docs/...

GP should advise on self supplementing if over 50nmol, but under 75nmol (but they rarely do)

mm.wirral.nhs.uk/document_u...

But with Hashimoto’s, improving to around 80nmol or 100nmol by self supplementing may be better

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/218...

vitamindsociety.org/pdf/Vit...

Once you Improve level, very likely you will need on going maintenance dose to keep it there.

Test twice yearly when supplementing

via NHS private testing service

vitamindtest.org.uk

Vitamin D mouth spray by Better You is very effective as it avoids poor gut function.

There’s a version made that also contains vitamin K2 Mk7.

One spray = 1000iu

amazon.co.uk/BetterYou-Dlux...

It’s trial and error what dose we need, with thyroid issues we frequently need higher dose than average

Vitamin D and thyroid disease

grassrootshealth.net/blog/t...

Vitamin D may prevent Autoimmune disease

newscientist.com/article/23...

Web links about taking important cofactors - magnesium and Vit K2-MK7

Magnesium best taken in the afternoon or evening, but must be four hours away from levothyroxine

betterbones.com/bone-nutrit...

medicalnewstoday.com/articl...

livescience.com/61866-magne...

sciencedaily.com/releases/2...

Interesting article by Dr Malcolm Kendrick on magnesium

drmalcolmkendrick.org/categ...

Vitamin K2 mk7

betterbones.com/bone-nutrit...

healthline.com/nutrition/vi...

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Dukemaster in reply to SlowDragon

I have been taking Calcichew 1000iu from GP but taking on board all the information above I will have a read through thank you once again

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply to Dukemaster

Vitamin D unlikely high enough on such low dose

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Dukemaster in reply to SlowDragon

Thank you I will look into that as well I’m going to get new private bloods after the holiday period as the next step thank you very much for all the replies and advice

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Batty1

thyroid meds can increase tinnitus… I recently been researching this myself.

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Dukemaster in reply to Batty1

Thank you for your reply

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serenfach

I know when I am underdosed by the level of my tinnitus - for me it is the first sign I need to change my dose.

Never accept the GP "in range" statement. The ranges are wide, and you could be just a smidge off the bottom or just under the top. The difference to how you feel can be huge. Also I know sometimes my GP has not looked at the results.

You are legally entitled to all your results from your GP. Just ask, and there is no charge. That way you can take control of your own health by looking at the results.

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Dukemaster in reply to serenfach

Thank you

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You are legally entitled to all your results from your GP. Just ask, and there is no charge. That way you can take control of your own health by looking at the results.

When you see your results…..likely to be astonished at how minimal testing is

Frequently just TSH tested via GP

ESSENTIAL to get vitamin levels tested at least annually

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Dukemaster in reply to Dukemaster

Increase 25mcg levothyroxine ?

I’m currently taking 50mcg levothyroxine have been since diagnosis 2015

I’m thinking to increase 25 mcg as my T4 is in the higher range to my T3.

Just wanted to see if it makes any difference as the GP doesn’t altar any dose if TSH is within range. I’m also searching for an understanding Endocrinologist looks like there are many out there.

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