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Thought this would seal everyone's understanding regarding GPs/Endos + thyroid issues . Just encapsulated what I've come to see:"Doctors don't have the science but they have their opinions!"

Dr John .........., Texas

No wonder so many suffer @ the hand of their 'opinions'!

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greygoose

What a shocking confession! The question now is: why don't they have the science? What did they go to med school for?

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TiggerMe in reply to greygoose

Perhaps they overslept for the thyroid lecture and just wing it their whole career😩

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elenak in reply to TiggerMe

Problem is , in the U.S. the only "science" they get now is dicated by the pharmaceutical companies who fund all the science and medical schools, etc. With thyroid, they only know how to read lab results and what a computer tells them is "normal". And to prescribe synthetic T4 - which is what big pharma makes. And I'm learning does little alone to help most people.

Worse, they are not taught to think anymore, but just follow algorithms.

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Lottyplum in reply to elenak

The 2 American drs I have watched+listened to are exceptional which is why I abhor what has happened to most drs I've come across - they don't listen and their arrogance seems to lean towards them not being teachable! What an indictment of our medical profession!

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Lottyplum in reply to greygoose

This Dr recognised the limitations of medical school so also trained as chiropractor and in other disciplines+is naturapathic doctor who talks sense+researches to increase his understanding to help his patients. It's because he recognised his own limitations that he spent a number of years just learning more. He is unlike drs I've come across in the UK.

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greygoose in reply to Lottyplum

He's certainly unlike any doctor I've come across! With the possible exception of one. More power to him.

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Lottyplum in reply to greygoose

He is American so that may explain it!

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greygoose in reply to Lottyplum

From what I've heard of American doctors, they're not much better than anywhere else. You can get the odd exception anywhere.

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Lottyplum in reply to greygoose

Think this one is the exception, though I do know another one who is exceptional, too, based in Texas. Would have either as my Dr, no problem!! If only.🙊

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greygoose in reply to Lottyplum

If only... Sigh

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Fruitandnutcase in reply to greygoose

Agreed, I was amazed to discover my American friends have the same problems with their doctors and grumble about them just like we do. I always thought that as they pay they would get better service but it seems that they don’t.

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elenak in reply to greygoose

I am American and can vouch for that. Mainstream docs are awful and useless, hence I am here. There is a WONDERFUL American woman I'm going to be getting a consult with - See lives in Italy. Osteopath and Naturopath, best knowledge of and info on thyroid, hormone issues and RX that I've found to date. I do listen to many still and learn as much as I can. She lives in Italy.. can we say names here? Dr. Elizabeth Bright - I highly recommend her , especially for women (I have no affiliation). She also eats a low carb/ keto/ carnivore diet ; which I am hearing wonderful things about - people puttling Hashimotos and hypothyroid into remission.

In the U.S. there is a clear agenda against this. which tells you it is the right thing. Unfortunately now, most naturopaths have been captured by the plant based , vegan movement, so they are not as good anymore. There are exceptions though - Dr. Bright is one!

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greygoose in reply to elenak

Yes, we've all heard the stories about putting Hashi's 'into remission'. Doesn't last long, though. It is perfectly natural that with Hashi's, after a 'hyper' swing, coming down to hypo again, you have a period of euthyroidism, which can sometimes last a long time. And that's when people start talking about remission and cures. Doesn't last for ever, though, because even if you managed to halt the Hashi's - and, as far as I know, no-one has actually been able to do that - the thyroid will still be so damaged that eventually you will need thyroid hormone replacement again. Thyroids do not regenerate.

And, be careful not to go too low-carb because you need carbs to convert. So, not a terribly good diet for a hypo. And carnivore is not good for any human being, anymore than vegetarien is. We are omnivors. We need a balance of both. As for keto, I've never tried it, but I've heard some very bad things about it. :(

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Lottyplum in reply to greygoose

Even though new to this game, thought healing Hashi was something for your dreams!

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greygoose in reply to Lottyplum

I'm afraid even my dreams are more practical than that.

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TiggerMe in reply to elenak

She sounds very much like our Dr Myhill who got chased out of the NHS, you might like her website

Someone else mentioned encountering an exceptional young Italian trained Dr who was very well informed... we all decided Italy is shining a light

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RedAppleAdministrator in reply to greygoose

'What did they go to med school for?'

To learn how to write prescriptions, with emphasis being on the more different things they prescribe, the better?

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greygoose in reply to RedApple

Very likely!

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C70rol

I asked my own GP once, “ how long did you spend in the learning/training for the Thyroid at med school? “ , and was told :- “ it was only one day in the the whole of the seven years and it was non obligatory, as well.

knew he had done a lot of learning about thyroid after he had qualified. So I felt safe in asking him the question……..very nice doctor, though unfortunately now retired !

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serenfach

I read a stat that said 1 in 20 have thyroid problems, so each GP sees many patients with this. You would think they would look it up, train themselves to help the patients, but it seems they were taught or read "TSH is the gold standard, get it below 10" and "one pill a day will make you well".

If the patient still does not feel well, give them an antidepressant. Then its the patients fault.

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FallingInReverse in reply to serenfach

There are more than 20 million Levo prescriptions in the US.

Population 330 million. So about 1 in 16 … and that is just the ones who got sick enough and far enough to get a prescription.

And although of course there are some children and those in their teens and young adulthood - we know this concentrates in women and middle aged women.

Lob off 80 million for the under 18s, and lob off a portion of the male population.

We have about 70 million women over 40 years old in the US.

Now let’s do the math!!! This affects 1 in 4 middle aged women.in the US. Even being conservative we could say 1 in 5 or even 1 in 6.

And that is the DIAGNOSED AND TREATED!

Now…. let’s count those unnecessary anti-depressant prescriptions. Follow the money folks!

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