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Latest bloods for my mum, can anyone interpret?

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Hi,

My mum has been feeling all the underactive thyroid symptoms in the extreme for a long while now, with little gp support, she’s been told to drop her Levo dose to 75mg but wants to be sure this is the right advice, TPO antibodies just tested for the first time.

Would be grateful for any advice/interpretation as she’s losing the will!

Many thanks,

Se thyroid peroxidase Ab conc

Result

14.0 iu/mL

Normal range

0.0 - 5.5

Serum TSH level

Result

0.14 mu/L

Normal range

0.27 - 4.20

T4 last tested February 23

14 Feb 2023

Serum free T4 level

16.3 pmol/L

Range: 12.0 - 22.0

Free T3 last tested Feb 23

14 Feb 2023

Serum free T3 level

4.0 pmol/L

Range: 3.1 - 6.8

Serum vitamin B12

Result

281 pmol/L

Normal range

145 - 569

Serum folate

9.7 nmol/L

Range 8.8 - 60.8

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Lalatoot profile image
Lalatoot

Kate am I correct in thinking that the latest results are only the antibodies and tsh. And that the ft4 and ft3 were done earlier in the year on a different blood draw?

If yes then she really needs to have tsh, ft4 and ft3 done on the same blood draw.

I suspect the GP is lowering her dose based on the low TSH and not on the actual thyroid hormone results ie ft4 and ft3.

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Kate261 in reply toLalatoot

Hi.

Yes. We thought she was having a whole panel but in fact it’s just the TPO and the TSH, he wants to lower from 100 per day to 75 based on this.

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply toKate261

Refuse reduce dose and request/politely insist that she has TSH, Ft4 and Ft3 tested before considering changing dose

ALWAYS test thyroid early morning, ideally before 9am, only drink water between waking and test and last dose levothyroxine 24 hours before test

Also request vitamin D and ferritin test

Plus her high TPO antibodies confirms autoimmune thyroid disease also called Hashimoto’s

Did she know she has Hashimoto’s

If she’s not on strictly gluten free diet already GP should do coeliac blood test as per NICE guidelines

nice.org.uk/guidance/ng20/c...

1.1 Recognition of coeliac disease

1.1.1 Offer serological testing for coeliac disease to:

people with any of the following:

persistent unexplained abdominal or gastrointestinal symptoms

faltering growth

prolonged fatigue

unexpected weight loss

severe or persistent mouth ulcers

unexplained iron, vitamin B12 or folate deficiency

type 1 diabetes, at diagnosis

autoimmune thyroid disease, at diagnosis

irritable bowel syndrome (in adults)

first‑degree relatives of people with coeliac dis

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Kate261 in reply toSlowDragon

Thank you, she had no idea she had Hashimotos as antibodies never been tasted in 50 years of thyroid issues. She is already gluten free. If the gp refuses new tests, (it’s likely) then should she get a private one?

Many thanks,

Kate

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply toKate261

So no point doing coeliac test

Yes many thousands of U.K. thyroid patients are forced to test privately

NHS rarely tests more than TSH

But can always ask…..

Recommended that all thyroid blood tests early morning, ideally just before 9am, only drink water between waking and test and last dose levothyroxine 24 hours before test

This gives highest TSH, lowest FT4 and most consistent results. (Patient to patient tip)

Private tests are available as NHS currently rarely tests Ft3 or all relevant vitamins

Testing options and includes money off codes for private testing

thyroiduk.org/testing/

Medichecks Thyroid plus antibodies and vitamins

medichecks.com/products/adv...

Blue Horizon Thyroid Premium Gold includes antibodies, cortisol and vitamins

bluehorizonbloodtests.co.uk...

Only do private testing early Monday or Tuesday morning.

Link about thyroid blood tests

thyroiduk.org/testing/thyro...

Link about Hashimoto’s

thyroiduk.org/hypothyroid-b...

Symptoms of hypothyroidism

thyroiduk.org/signs-and-sym...

Tips on how to do DIY finger prick test

See detailed reply by SeasideSusie

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Medichecks and BH also offer private blood draw at clinic near you, or private nurse to your own home…..for an extra fee

Just TSH, Ft4 and Ft3 test - £32

monitormyhealth.org.uk/thyr...

10% off code here

thyroiduk.org/getting-a-dia...

Monitor My Health also now offer thyroid and vitamin testing, plus cholesterol and HBA1C for £65

(Doesn’t include thyroid antibodies)

monitormyhealth.org.uk/full...

10% off code here

thyroiduk.org/getting-a-dia...

SlowDragon profile image
SlowDragonAdministrator in reply toKate261

Her B12 and folate are both far too low

Low vitamin levels tend to lower TSH

Important to maintain OPTIMAL vitamin levels

What vitamin supplements is she currently taking

Low B12 more common when hypothyroid/on levothyroxine, especially with Hashimoto’s

Is she vegetarian or vegan

Low B12 also much more common as we get older

Approx how old is your mum

Low B12 symptoms

b12deficiency.info/signs-an...

methyl-life.com/blogs/defic...

With serum B12 result below 500, (Or active B12 below 70) recommended to be taking a separate B12 supplement and a week later add a separate vitamin B Complex 

Then once her serum B12 is over 500 (or Active B12 level has reached 70), she may be able to reduce then stop the B12 and just carry on with the B Complex.

If Vegetarian or vegan likely to need ongoing separate B12 few times a week

Highly effective B12 drops

natureprovides.com/products...

Or

B12 sublingual lozenges

uk.iherb.com/pr/jarrow-form...

cytoplan.co.uk/shop-by-prod...

B12 range in U.K. is too wide

Interesting that in this research B12 below 400 is considered inadequate

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Low folate

supplementing a good quality daily vitamin B complex, one with folate in (not folic acid)

This can help keep all B vitamins in balance and will help improve B12 levels too

Difference between folate and folic acid

healthline.com/nutrition/fo...

Many Hashimoto’s patients have MTHFR gene variation and can have trouble processing folic acid.

thyroidpharmacist.com/artic...

B vitamins best taken after breakfast

Thorne Basic B recommended vitamin B complex that contains folate, but they are large capsules. (You can tip powder out if can’t swallow capsule)

Thorne currently difficult to find at reasonable price, should be around £20-£25. iherb.com often have in stock. Or try ebay

Other options

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu....

Igennus B complex popular option too. Nice small tablets. Most people only find they need one per day. But a few people find it’s not high enough dose

IMPORTANT......If you are taking vitamin B complex, or any supplements containing biotin, remember to stop these 7 days before ALL BLOOD TESTS , as biotin can falsely affect test results

endo.confex.com/endo/2016en...

endocrinenews.endocrine.org...

In week before blood test, when you stop vitamin B complex, you might want to consider taking a separate folate supplement (eg Jarrow methyl folate 400mcg) and continue separate B12 until over 500

Post discussing how biotin can affect test results

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

helvella.blogspot.com/p/hel...

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Kate261 in reply toSlowDragon

This is amazing thank you, she’s taking low dose folate from GP (rpt prescription) d3+k spray, and b12 on its own.

Mum is 75 and not vegan or vegetarian,

Thank you so much.

SlowDragon profile image
SlowDragonAdministrator in reply toKate261

so she’s been taking folate and B12 since Feb results?

Time they were retested

vitamin D

How many sprays per day is she taking

Test twice yearly via NHS private testing service when supplementing

vitamindtest.org.uk

GP should advise on self supplementing if over 50nmol, but under 75nmol (but they rarely do)

mm.wirral.nhs.uk/document_u...

But with Hashimoto’s, improving to around 80nmol or 100nmol by self supplementing may be better

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/218...

vitamindsociety.org/pdf/Vit...

Once Improve level, very likely will need on going maintenance dose to keep it there.

Vitamin D mouth spray by Better You is very effective as it avoids poor gut function.

There’s a version made that also contains vitamin K2 Mk7.

One spray = 1000iu

amazon.co.uk/BetterYou-Dlux...

It’s trial and error what dose we need, with thyroid issues we frequently need higher dose than average

Vitamin D and thyroid disease

grassrootshealth.net/blog/t...

Vitamin D may prevent Autoimmune disease

newscientist.com/article/23...

Web links about taking important cofactors - magnesium and Vit K2-MK7

Magnesium best taken in the afternoon or evening, but must be four hours away from levothyroxine

betterbones.com/bone-nutrit...

medicalnewstoday.com/articl...

livescience.com/61866-magne...

sciencedaily.com/releases/2...

Interesting article by Dr Malcolm Kendrick on magnesium

drmalcolmkendrick.org/categ...

Vitamin K2 mk7

betterbones.com/bone-nutrit...

healthline.com/nutrition/vi...

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Kate261 in reply toSlowDragon

She has added b12 recently as I suggested it might help. She takes the better you vit d spray you have mentioned. the GP has said everything is normal bar the Tsh (the feb results are just the t4 and t3) sorry that’s my fault it’s not clear!

SlowDragon profile image
SlowDragonAdministrator in reply toKate261

Suggest she change folic acid for a good quality B complex after testing

Suggest she get FULL thyroid and vitamin testing now

Medichecks currently have 25% off I believe

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Kapuna

When my mother was in her late 70s her doctor told her she had to reduce her thyroxine because her TSH was too high. Mum followed the doctor’s orders and for the rest of her life was miserable. The same thing happened to me when I was 73. Like your mum, my TSH was too high. After fighting with my doctor I was able to talk to an endocrinologist who proposed that I add T3 and reduce my T4. The balance worked. I feel slightly hypothyroid but can manage. My mum had no functioning thyroid at the age of 6 and I had a radioactive thyroid procedure after Graves’ disease at 50. As so many others have found, for many of us the TSH does not reflect our thyroid health.

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Kate261 in reply toKapuna

Oh I empathise greatly. She’s seen an endriconologist who was great but the follow up appt was someone who had no interest. It’s a constant battle. I’m so sorry you’ve had the same problem. I don’t know how you find someone to listen, they just keep saying ‘you’ll have heart problems’ which I understand but day to day she’s coming to a standstill. It all feels impossible.

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Kapuna

When the subject of my TSH test came up again a new endocrinologist told me I could have heart problems or a stroke. That’s when I told her the test results of my heart were good. I think it was when I also told her that at 78 I wanted quality of life, not quantity. My mother died at 86 but her last few years were miserable. I’d rather be active and feel good than live like she was forced to by her doctors. I will be 80 in January and am looking forward to enjoying whatever days I have left!

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