Results Advice

[PrincessAnnie]

Hi I’m looking to see what you think of my latest bloods please?

I followed all protocols before testing .

I followed slow dragons advice on my last results so now take 100mg of levothyroxine and 15mg of liothyronine split into three doses throughout the day.

I have to say I’ve felt the best I’ve ever felt since starting liothyronine and I can only presume it’s due to splitting the dose throughout the day,I take 5mg in the morning,afternoon and night,I’ve tried this before but decided this time to give it a chance and I must say I’m impressed.

As always any help/advice would be most welcome❤️

[SlowDragon Administrator]

I followed slow dragons advice on my last results so now take 100mg of levothyroxine and 15mg of liothyronine split into three doses throughout the day.I have to say I’ve felt the best I’ve ever felt since starting liothyronine and I can only presume it’s due to splitting the dose throughout the day,

😀 Glad to hear you have found it so effective

Was last 5mcg dose T3 approx 8-12 hours before test

You might experiment with increasing levothyroxine a little

Which brand is 100mcg levothyroxine

Do you have any 25mcg tablets to cut in half

Perhaps add 12.5mcg extra 3 days week?

What vitamin supplements are you taking

Folate on low side

Do you normally take daily vitamin B complex?

Ferritin could be higher. Look at increasing iron rich foods in your diet

[PrincessAnnie in reply to SlowDragon]

Thank you for your previous advice😁

Last dose of T3 was 9 hours before test.

Levothyroxine is ALMUS,I don’t have any 25mg tablets only 100.

I take vitamin d and I’d started taking a vitamin c and b complex not long before the test,I stopped it 7 days before the test,I stopped the Thorne one as I don’t do well with capsules.

I’m trying to incorporate more iron rich foods and there’s a small amount of iron in the complex tablets I’m taking,I’ll post it below.I take a half of one a day

Vitamin b & c complex

[SlowDragon Administrator in reply to PrincessAnnie]

If there’s iron in vitamin B complex iron will stop absorption of other vitamins

Other B complex options 

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu....

In week before blood test, when you stop vitamin B complex, you might want to consider taking a separate folate supplement (eg Jarrow methyl folate 400mcg) and continue separate B12

only try increasing levothyroxine or T3 ….not both

Try 20mcg T3+in total per day 10mcg in morning, 5mcg and 5mcg

Or try increasing levothyroxine

Personally I would try increasing levothyroxine first ….

You could cut a 100mcg into 1/4’s to get 25mcg …..add 25mcg 2 days a week…..

Retest in 6-8 weeks

FT4: 15.8 pmol/l (Range 12 - 22)

Ft4 is currently only 38.00% through range

[PrincessAnnie in reply to SlowDragon]

Ah that’s good to know about iron👍ok I’ll try adding in 25 of levo two days a week and see how I go,the trouble with that is it’s taking me over what I’m prescribed but I think I should be ok as I’ve got done extra.

[PrincessAnnie in reply to SlowDragon]

I’ve just checked out those other vitamins and they’re all capsules,I’m just wondering if I’d be better with a seperate folate and b12 tablet🤷‍♀️

I found this b complex in tablet form what do you think?

B complex

[SlowDragon Administrator in reply to PrincessAnnie]

This one presumably?

naturesbest.co.uk/vitamin-b...

Will ask SeasideSusie to comment on it

[PrincessAnnie in reply to SlowDragon]

Yes that’s the one,thank you again for all your help❤️

[SeasideSusie Remembering in reply to PrincessAnnie]

It's not one I'd consider. It contains folic acid where methylfolate is the recommended form. The amount of B12 is a measly 4mcg which will nothing, if you want to improve B12 level you'd want at least 400mcg. Also, being a tablet it has quite a few excipients. I don't think you can better Thorne Basic B or Vitablossom liposomal B Complex.

[PrincessAnnie in reply to SeasideSusie]

I can’t have capsules though due to the gelatin,that’s why I’m looking for tablet form.

[SeasideSusie Remembering in reply to PrincessAnnie]

OK but I'd look for a better tablet. Or buy Thorne, pull apart the capsule and just use the powder.

[PrincessAnnie in reply to SeasideSusie]

I think this is one of the ones you recommended on another post in liquid form.

amazon.co.uk/Liposomal-Vita...

[PrincessAnnie in reply to SeasideSusie]

Scrap that it contains natural flavourings which gives me nightmares🤦‍♀️I’ll just go with the Thorne and take it out the capsules😁

Once again thank you for all your valuable advice❤️

[PrincessAnnie in reply to SeasideSusie]

could you have a look at this one please.

Ingredients

[SeasideSusie Remembering in reply to PrincessAnnie]

Again it contains folic acid rather than methylfolate and there's a plethora of excipients - bulking agents, anti caking agents, etc, which you'll generally find in tablets, they can't make tablets without them. If you're happy to accept that with tablets then that's fine, it's just that I prefer to have none or as few as possible. I still think you'd be better opening a capsule and adding the contents to something but that's just my opinion.

If you don't want to use capsules have you looked at softgels, eg Vitablossom/Yipmai which I use:

Other ingredients: Phosphatidylcholine (from non GMP sunflower lecithin), Glycerine capsule (gelatin, glycerine, purified water, Beeswax, Sunflower oil.

hempoutlet.co.uk/vitablosso...

and Pink Tribe do one too:

amazon.co.uk/Liposomal-Vita...?

[PrincessAnnie in reply to SeasideSusie]

thanks for your advice again,I’ll stick to opening the capsules,they’re a bit grim😏

[SlowDragon Administrator in reply to PrincessAnnie]

I take Thorne ….but can’t swallow anything larger than a pea

So I open capsule…..tip powder out into a cup….tip on to hand and place powder in mouth…swallow quickly with plenty of water

(It does taste and smell grim)

[PrincessAnnie in reply to SlowDragon]

I mixed it in water and took it,I’ll maybe try it again and see how I go😏

[SlowDragon Administrator in reply to PrincessAnnie]

More likely to stain your teeth that way?

[DippyDame]

Your FT3 is still miserably low.

You could try increasing levo to 125mcg but your T4 to T3 conversion is poor so I doubt that would make a huge difference apart from raising your FT4!

in your shoes I would increase T3 by 5mcg, hold that for 6+ weeks and test again

See how you feel...

T3 is the active thyroid hormone which, for good health, must saturate almost every cell in the body...it needs to be available in a constant and adequate supply.

I need high dose T3-only to function and take the full dose at bedtime.

We sometimes need to experiment with timing as well as strength to find our therapeutic dose.

So long as FT3 remains in ref range you will not be overmedicated

There is no quick fix....it takes a lot of time and patience!

[PrincessAnnie in reply to DippyDame]

Thank you for your advice,I’ll try adding in another 5mg of T3 in the morning,I’m supposed to take 10 in the morning and 10 at night,that’s what I’m prescribed.

[DippyDame in reply to PrincessAnnie]

Don't be surprised if initially you feel better after an increase then that benefit tails off again....the system appreciates the extra hormone so improves.....possibly only for a short time....then if the dose is still too low symptoms come back.....it's the body's way of saying, "more please"!

Symptoms should resolve when you reach your therapeutic dose

I'm afraid what medics prescribe/ advise is not always what our bodies need! They don't have personal experience....only general text book knowledge.

Hope the increase helps....please keep us posted.

[PrincessAnnie in reply to DippyDame]

I’m going to try increasing the levo first

Slow dragon has recommenced adding in an extra 25mg two times a week so I’ll try that first.

I’ll definitely keep you posted thanks so much❤️

[DippyDame in reply to PrincessAnnie]

It will certainly be easier to get more levo prescribed!

Good luck.

[pennyannie]

Hey there :

Glad to see you are making some headway :

[PrincessAnnie in reply to pennyannie]

Ah my percentage lady🤣Asda have stopped the frozen chicken livers where I am🤷‍♀️I was eating that every week😤

[pennyannie in reply to PrincessAnnie]

Yes - I know - though if near a Waitrose they sell a similar frozen chicken liver option though not in a pot but a larger flatter container - preferred Asda - but there you go :

[PrincessAnnie in reply to pennyannie]

No Waitrose near me unfortunately😤I’ve even tried the butchers but they don’t sell it,I’ll need to shop around.

[pennyannie in reply to PrincessAnnie]

Surely a butcher has lamb or pig liver ?

[PrincessAnnie in reply to pennyannie]

Well I only asked for chicken livers🤦‍♀️

[SlowDragon Administrator in reply to PrincessAnnie]

Morrison’s, Sainsbury’s and Amazon appear to sell frozen chicken liver

[PrincessAnnie in reply to SlowDragon]

I’ve never seen them in Morrisons I’ll have a look.apparently Tesco and Sainsbury’s sell fresh so I’ll check them out too👍