I've nearing the end of my Vitamin D supplements and I'm sure I read a recommendation about Vitamin D and Black Seed Oil?
I've been searching the forum for the last 20 minutes but can't find the post now! Lots of info about Vitamin D but I'll be blown if I can find it. I thought i'd bookmarked it but like many things it's probably a result of my brain fog!😀 I blame it on most the things I forget or mislay👍
But if anyone knows the supplement that was referred to or can find the original post I'd be very grateful.
Many thanks.
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When I was talking to the nutritionist from Nature Provides she told me this about their product (meaning the K2-MK7)
It's important also that what it is with isn't going to turn it into cis as can happen with some ingredients even if it's starts off 100% trans. I think l-argenine does this for example. Vitamin D3 and black seed oil do not.
Hi janeroar, I use the Better You too because I didn't get on well with the GP prescribed product. I was deficient and am now well in the normal range so I wouldn't be persuaded to go back to a tablet.
Some people are happy with the BetterYou spray and find it improves their level. How it compares I can't say I'm afraid as personally I would never use it, just my personal preference, but these are my reasons:
1) I prefer to use supplements with as few excipients as possible so this one is not for me. My D3 supplement contains just D3 and extra virgin olive oil. The only filler my Vegavero K2-MK7 is linseed flour.
2) The BetterYou combined spray is expensive. At the price on their website it's £10.95 for 30 days worth of 3,000iu D3/K2, so 36.5p per day.
I pay £16.99 for 365 x 5,000iu dose D3 so 4.65p per day for my D3 and Vegavero 200mcg K2-MK7 (All Trans) is currently available at £25.95 for 180 capsules, as 100mcg only is needed then this can be taken alternate days so would last 360 days and works out at 7.2p per day. So daily total cost of my D3 plus K2 would be 11.85p compared with 36.5p with the spray and that's for 5,000iu D3 daily compared to 3,000iu with the spray, which makes the BetterYou spray 3 times the cost of mine.
3) BetterYou spray does not contain the All Trans form of K2-MK7, if it did it would say so. As for the difference between All Trans and Cis this is the information I post when appropriate:
K2-MK7 comes in two forms. I'm not good with scientific explanations but put simply these are - All-Trans form and Cis form.
All-Trans form v Cis form:
The recommended amount of K2-MK7 is 90-100mcg for up to 10,000iu D3. The best form of K2-MK7 is the All-Trans form rather than the Cis form. The All-Trans form is the bioactive form, the Cis form is inactive (a bit like methylfolate is the bioactive form of folic acid).
I still have almost one year's worth of my D3 and K2 but when I've finished those I may consider the Nature Provides supplement. There are 160 servings of Nature Provides 3,000iu D3 for the current Amazon price of £25.95 so that is 13.33p compared to BetterYou spray 3,000iu of 36.5p.
Some people find that taking Vit D at night can affect their sleep. Best to experiment and find what suits you.
If not taking sublingual or spray then remember D3 and K2 both need fat to be absorbed, so if each is oil based then they can be taken together as each would have their own fat for absorption, if not oil based then take at different times of the day with some kind of fat for absorption.
I have bought the K2-MK7 oil, but not sure how much to take? Plerase could you advise me? I am currently supplementing 5000iu Better You Vit D capsules.
Is that Vitamaze? That is 10 drops = 200mcg. 90-100mcg is recommended for up to 10,000iu D3 so you'd only need 5 drops if you're on a D3 dose lower than 10,000iu.
Hi, yes it is that one. Thank you so much for clarification. I am taking 5000 iu Vit D. thankfully, I've only been taking three drops of the Vit K2 -MK7 anyway, because I wasn't sure.
thanks so much! Btw I know you’re not a fan of multivitamins but I thooght this one is v tempting as it’s Doctors best and got lots of what many of us on here take separately. It has just a tiny amount of iodine in though. Does this make a big difference such a small amount? What do you think of the other stuff and dosage amounts?
Thanks so much in advance for your help
Doctor's Best, Multivitamin with Vitashine D3 and Quatrefolic, 90 Vegan Capsules, Laboratory Tested, Gluten-Free, SOYA-Free, Vegetarian amzn.eu/d/iToQAha
Btw I know you’re not a fan of multivitamins but I thooght this one is v tempting as it’s Doctors best and got lots of what many of us on here take separately.
Not just me, many of us here suggest they're not a good idea.
There are a few problems with multi's. Firstly they contain so many vitamins and minerals and there are many that shouldn't be taken together, eg
B12 and Vit C should be taken 2 hours apart because Vit C can stop the body using the B12;
calcium should not be taken at the same time as zinc or magnesium (or iron but I know it's not in that supplement) and calcium should be tested and only supplemented if deficient;
zinc affects copper absorption, we hypos are usually high in one and low in the other so how do you know, if you don't test them, which one you may need;
fat soluble vitamins - A, D, E, K - taken together they compete for fat for absorption, these are best taken away from each other yet they are all included in that supplement.
The amount of B6 is 16.67mg and it's recommended that for regular use no more than 10mg daily is taken.
I am firmly in the camp of not taking any iodine unless tested to see if deficient and I believe it's best to test the key nutrients and if necessary then supplement at the appropriate dose the test results suggest.
Hi Pearlteapot - thank you so much for sharing this link - it's delicious! I love nigella seed, so I'm really pleased to have found this product - thanks again! Rachel x
I exhaustively tried the various versions of black seed oil in all the different strengths including the very strongest and for me I look back and. view the products as a total dead end.
I am happy to try coriander water as I think this may be more helpful having seen some good case studies - if this is works it may be a better option
with this product the black seed oil is being used as a carrier for the D3/k2, so the main purpose of this is D3 supplementation. For that purpose it seems to work very well.
Slightly off topic for the question, but there's a 2016 paper about the effects of Nigella sativa (black seed oil) on hashimotos.
The effects of Nigella sativa on thyroid function, serum Vascular Endothelial Growth Factor (VEGF) – 1, Nesfatin-1 and anthropometric features in patients with Hashimoto’s thyroiditis: a randomized controlled trial
it does have a huge impact on blood sugar management and I would be very worried taking this is was in any way diabetic - I have very stable blood sugars normally and I got wierd spikes and troughs - perhaps because it somehow speeds up the metabolism . Very uncomfortable feeling and led me to think it is quite a high risk product to take - they do not make these warnings sufficiently clear imvho
Hi i was wondering about this product too! I liked the idea of the blackseed being a carrier as it has health benefits too. So is the conclusion that this product is a good one to take?
I had a blood test result stating I'm low so looking to supplement. I joined an online group and it has a really good rpotocol but i'n finding it hard to find the products they recommend (as the unit strength is quite specific). What i've read is that its important to take vitD with a small portion of healthy fat in a meal to aid absorption.
So is the conclusion that this product is a good one to take?
There is some discussion above about the black seed oil and blood sugar.
The 30ml bottle of this supplement contains 21g of black seed oil, there are 160 servings (5 drops per serving giving 3,000iu D3) in the bottle, a total of 800 drops per bottle. There are 1,000mg in a gram. 1 drop gives 1.25mg black seed oil.
If you take 3,000iu dose (5 drops) you get 6.25mg black seed oil.
Black seed oil supplements comes in different strengths, 500mg seems to be the most common but there are a few 1,000mg and 2,000mg on Amazon. Compared to the stand alone black seed oil supplements the 6.25mg in a 3,000iu dose of D3 is extremely small. If I was taking it then it wouldn't be a concern for me.
Whether it's a good product depends on whether it works well for you. I haven't tried it so can't give an opinion but you can check out what one member thinks of it here:
What i've read is that its important to take vitD with a small portion of healthy fat in a meal to aid absorption.
That's right, either the fattiest meal of the day or something like cheese, full fat yogurt, something with butter, etc. However, if the D3 supplement comes with it's own fat, eg oil based softgel, then there's no real need for extra fat, that contained within the supplement will be enough for absorption of the D3.
Thanks that great info ! From other stuff I'me reading i figure its probably more important to be taking the co factors rather than just considering the benefits of the added black seed oil. ....the costs all add up, especially as i'm thinking vitd is going to be a longterm /life time supplement for me ☺️
If you are looking for a good supplement company, try British Supplements. They do not use any fillers or chemical additives and sell a whole range of supplements. Their prices are slightly higher, but their products are good quality. I take their Vit D +K2, my levels were low when I had my first blood test for hypothyroidism. I took the Vit D +K2 and at my next test, the Doc said my levels were 'replete.' I take one every other day now - they certainly work!
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