Fast heartrate not a symptom of being undermedicated.

[sobs1962]

Just spoke to doctor and he says if your undermedicated, it will cause bradycardia NOT tachycardia and having read replies to my previous posts, this appears to be untrue. I'm just so frustrated and angry having to deal with doctors who don't know what they're talking about, God help us all!!!

[Lalatoot]

Well my heart rate has always been high when undermedicated.Doctors and endos don't know about the symptoms.

If you were to tell them some symptoms they would think you were making it up.

Take earwax for example. For at least 3 years I have had no earwax. Put in a cotton bud and it came out white. Now that I am getting properly medicated I have started to get earwax again. The body in my opinion stopped making anything it didn't need to when I was very ill. But if I suggested this to an endo they would laugh.

[radd in reply to Lalatoot]

Lalatoot,

Oh my goodness, yes.

I had years & years of itchiness inside my ears (& nostrils) before being diagnosed. Doc said it was eczema and when I became optimal medicated on thyroid hormone, it cleared up and has never returned!

Rock the earwax! 😁

[BrynGlas in reply to radd]

OMG I have had years and years of having extremely itchy ears! It got so bad it would turn into an infection at times and the itchy ears drove me absolutely mad, feeling just as though I had something creeping around in there.

One GP gave me hydrocortisine as you would use with excema (I had that a lot in my younger years, a family thing, with asthma as well of course) put a all teeny bit onto a cotton bud and apply to my ears! After that I progressed to Sudocrem, because it was slightly antiseptic and stopped the itch. But I often went out with white ears, I can tell you that!

But no one could tell me what it was. In later years I used Otomize ear drops, but as these are absolutely liquid, I wasn't keen on using them though they worked quite well and I rarely have to use them now.

To this day, if I use headphones, I can hear a sort of 'liquid sloshing around in there' type noise.

This all started after I was diagnosed hypo and it has only recently almost disappeared. I haven't had an ear infection for years now thank goodness.

I had never thought that that could all have been hypothyroid related!! One day I will learn to discount nothing as being possibly hypo related, but I still haven't got that far yet.

[FancyPants54 in reply to BrynGlas]

Itchy ears, due to very dry skin inside, can also be a symptom of oestrogen deficiency. I used to watch my Mum scratch the inside of her ears with a match stick she was so desperate! She was very oestrogen deprived by then.

[fiftyone in reply to Lalatoot]

A nurse told me that calcium and magnesium are key factors in controlling heart beat. I was diagnosed with atrial fibrillation, high heart beat. Doctors thought it was my high dose of levo causing the problem. Coincidentally, the problem stopped when I increased my magnesium intake, without changing my levo dose. Don't know whether this will last.

[sobs1962 in reply to fiftyone]

What magnesium are you taking, I am taking vitality calm magnesium powderx1 teaspoonful daily but don't want to increase as apparently it can cause diahorrea if take too much

[fiftyone in reply to sobs1962]

I'm not taking magnesium I started eating loads of cocoa daily, which is a high magnesium food. Now I buy Cacao nibs, natural, unsweetened organic choc nibs (expensive!) and I sprinkle these on a desser twice a day. They are also high magnesium. Maybe it's just coincidence, but my levo dose is still very high (MY T3 is normal) and the diagnosed AF has stopped for over a year now.

[renawaltdr in reply to Lalatoot]

Exactly the same with me!

[radd]

sobs1962,

Inadequate amounts of thyroid hormone effects our hearts in various ways … faster, slower, jumpy, great big bangs ….. and promotes all the conditions such as high cholesterol & fatty acids build up, high BP, elevated homecysteine (impaired absorption of VitB’s and decreased liver enzymes levels), being overweight, etc, etc …. that in turn may cause clogged arteries, heart disease, stroke, heart attack.

Show him these links -

gponline.com/endocrinology-...

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ahajournals.org/doi/full/10...

[shaws Administrator]

Levothyroxine gave me awful palpitations and cardiologist was thinking of putting an implant in my heart as I had severe palps during the night.

Palps ceased when T3 was added to T.4.

[DippyDame in reply to shaws]

"...should test FT3", is becoming my response to the mention of many ailments!People think I'm just fanatical and have lost the plot.

[Yeswithasmile in reply to DippyDame]

I’m with you there. They think I’m a thyroid extremist! I find it very frustrating!!

[sobs1962 in reply to DippyDame]

100% agree, don't know what they've got against testing ft3 probably has something to do with cost because everything comes down to money these days.

[humanbean in reply to sobs1962]

That may be true. But testing T3 costs just the same as testing T4, I think. jimh111 did a Freedom of Information request to his local CCG or lab and found out the prices were the same and not very high either.

[BrynGlas in reply to humanbean]

We can't hope to get much of any testing done on the NHS as they have run out of the specimen bottles anyway! Are private tests still being done ??

[humanbean in reply to BrynGlas]

As far as I know private testing is still being done, but I wouldn't swear to it.

[BrynGlas in reply to humanbean]

I suspect it is too. I wonder were I got that idea from??

[Mollyfan]

I found this case report which is interesting. I too have palpitations when under treated….

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/303...

[humanbean]

I have a fast heart rate - fast enough to classify as tachycardia - quite a lot. I take beta blockers when it goes too fast.

In my case the tachycardia started before I was officially diagnosed with subclinical hypothyroidism and had never been treated - but I think the doctors are wrong and I have central hypothyroidism. Anyway, whatever the truth is, in my case it was seriously low iron that caused my fast heart rate. But having triggered the tachycardia I can't get rid of the problem now, although it varies in frequency and severity.

Just in the last few weeks I have switched from taking some expired NDT to taking expired Levo and expired T3. (I'm very easygoing in that respect!) I'd already worked out my appropriate dose of T4 and T3 last year and I just switched from one to the other with no problems.

I've never done well on NDT (even when it was new), and having switched recently I am starting to feel much better on T4 + T3 than I was on the NDT. And part of that "feeling better" is that my bouts of tachycardia have dramatically reduced in frequency.

I also know that my heart goes too fast if I binge on sugary stuff.

So, your doctor saying that fast heart rate is not associated with hypothyroidism is ignoring an awful lot of reasons for the condition, (and I'm sure there are many reasons other than the ones I have mentioned) and is viewing the problem in a very narrow-minded way.

[sobs1962 in reply to humanbean]

I don't know what they teach them during training but I think it's very outdated and inaccurate.

[BrynGlas in reply to sobs1962]

The answer is not too much at all. I have read somewhere, I think it was on here, that med students only have a half day of training on the thyroid and TSH is taught to be the only really blood test which is necessary for hypo patients. I am afraid I am not up to speed on hyper patients unfortunately.

[Batty1]

Thats not true I actually have had both slow and fast heart rates but did eventually find out that my fast HR was from cymbalta and my current biologic meds.