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Hi everyone,

I am a fresh face here šŸ‘‹ but just looking for other peopleā€™s experiences of getting a diagnosis of hypothyroidism after my doctor throwing the possibility of it at me yesterday.

A little bit of my background - I was diagnosed with endometriosis in 2020 after struggling for 15 years getting a diagnosis or to even be believed. Any symptoms I had, I attributed to that (or anything else going on in my life eg overworking, pregnancy, anxiety). But since treatment, some symptoms are still hanging around like joint pain, extreme fatigue, muscle cramps and weakness, IBS type symptoms, wrist pain etc.

Due to a long history of being fobbed off by various medical professionals for various reasons (including someone point blank refusing to believe I had had a miscarriage in the past), having to go through this process is incredibly anxiety provoking and I would love to know what Iā€™m coming up against from any of you? For context, I am awaiting blood tests for thyroid function and B12 levels, I have a family history of thyroid problems, hypertension and coeliac disease and a lot of my symptoms also point to fibromyalgia.

Sorry for the long post, hopefully someone gets this far!

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Buddy195Administrator

Welcome to the forum Carebear92, we are a very friendly group & you will get lots of great advice here.

Your symptoms could all be thyroid related. I was referred to a gastroenterologist who suspended I had a thyroid condition as well as gastritis, as stomach issues are very common in thyroid patients. Anxiety was another huge symptom for me, but this greatly reduced when thyroid medication & vitamins improved. My muscle aches also reduced massively with optimal B vitamins & ferritin.

When you get the thyroid blood tests back, do share them here. Are you having antibodies checked? (This would show if you have Hashimotos). You can ask for a print out of these results from the Surgery when they are available.Itā€™s helpful if you put the ranges in brackets (as labs vary).

You will feel much better when you get your thyroid bloods optimal. Key vitamins (ferritin, folate, Vit D as well as the Vitamin B12 youā€™re having tested) also need to be optimal for thyroid health, so do ask your GP to test these too.

Very best wishes to you!

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Carebear92 in reply to Buddy195

Thank you so much for the information. I honestly am not sure what to expect from the tests, the GP was very vague and I had never considered thyroid issues in the slightest, so this is so brand new to me! I will be sure to post the results. Thanks for the information on vitamins too because I would never know this. I was not given much information at all but my anxiety is so high, it is definitely information I need!

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Buddy195Administrator in reply to Carebear92

High anxiety was one of my biggest symptomsā€¦. GP sent me to psychotherapist with ā€˜health anxietyā€™ & I spent months trying to lesson palpitations, racing heart, restlessness etc. It was only joining this forum that made me realise that anxiety is a key thyroid symptom. My anxiety massively reduced when thyroid & key vitamin levels improved. Hang in there & keep posting!

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Carebear92 in reply to Buddy195

Health anxiety feels like such an insult when you genuinely feel like hell! Anxiety has haunted me forever, but I have learned how to manage it for the majority of the time fortunately but I just know it will rear its ugly head again now šŸ„“

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Localhero

Hi Carebear92

Welcome.

That is a very broad question. However, what I think many of us on this forum experience, is a lack of understanding by doctors (and indeed endocrinologists) about thyroid function and its effects. I have been diagnosed with high cholesterol, depression and told it was ā€œjust menopauseā€ long before I a private endocrinologist actually listened to me.

Even with that, it has taken me two years and some challenges with both my endocrinologist and an interfering GP to navigate my way to feeling better.

What Iā€™ve found is that, with hypothyroidism (and the same may be true of other things), Iā€™ve had to learn about thyroid function in quite considerable detail in order to advocate for myself.

One of the most important things is to get thorough blood tests. Most medics try to judge whatā€™s going on from looking at TSH. But TSH is not itself a hormone. And we really need also to look at the ā€œfreesā€: FT4 and FT3. Itā€™s them that indicate how well our thyroid is working. This is particularly true if you start to take Levothyroxine.

B12, D3, folate and ferritin are also important to measure as they enable good function.

Do your tests as early as you can in the morning, fasted.

Lots of us do our own private blood tests as the NHS are rarely so thorough.

Here are some details of places you can do this online.

thyroiduk.org/help-and-supp...

When you have your results, you can come back to the forum and get feedback. By posting and indeed reading other peopleā€™s posts, you can learn a lot. Itā€™s easy, at least in the beginning, to feel overwhelmed by it all and that youā€™re alone. The medical professionā€™s ignorance and general mistreatment doesnā€™t help. But I can assure you youā€™ll be understood here.

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Carebear92 in reply to Localhero

Thank you so much. This is both reassuring and immensely frustrating after having to try so hard for my endo diagnosis for the exact same reasons. But Iā€™ve always found these forums more helpful than medics. Iā€™m trying to load myself up with all the information I need to advocate for myself as I just donā€™t trust many medical professionals blindly anymore and made that clear at my appointment, so thank you for justifying that! Iā€™m learning that the vitamin checks are just as important so thanks for the tip šŸ™‚

Here we go again, I guess šŸ¤¦šŸ»ā€ā™€ļø

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Localhero in reply to Carebear92

Oh, I know. I donā€™t trust them either. I was shaking the other day just thinking about calling my (new) GP practice to ask for a simple repeat prescription. Itā€™s like a kind of PTSD, I guess. Theyā€™ve traumatised us so much. In the event the request was dealt with straightforwardly. And then I was surprised!! šŸ¤·šŸ»ā€ā™€ļø

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Carebear92 in reply to Localhero

Oh bless you, itā€™s so hard isnā€™t it! I had an anxiety attack on the way to my appointment yesterday just thinking of having to fight for myself all over again or not be believed! Iā€™m glad these forums exist otherwise Iā€™d believe it was all in my head

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Localhero in reply to Carebear92

I hear you. Itā€™s definitely NOT all in your head! Take care and let us know how you get on.

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SlowDragonAdministrator

Welcome to the forum

Endometriosis and autoimmune thyroid disease can be linked

Endometriosis will tend to result in low iron/ferritin too

For full Thyroid evaluation you need TSH, FT4 and FT3 plus both TPO and TG thyroid antibodies tested.

Also EXTREMELY important to test vitamin D, folate, ferritin and B12

Low vitamin levels are extremely common, especially with autoimmune thyroid disease (Hashimotoā€™s or Ordā€™s thyroiditis)

Recommended on here that all thyroid blood tests should ideally be done as early as possible in morning and before eating or drinking anything other than water .

This gives highest TSH, lowest FT4 and most consistent results. (Patient to patient tip)

Private tests are available as NHS currently rarely tests Ft3 or all relevant vitamins

See what GP tests

Come back with new post once you get GP results.

Members can advise what else you need

Unlikely to get vitamin D or Ft3

List of private testing options

thyroiduk.org/getting-a-dia...

If you can get GP to test vitamins and antibodies then cheapest option for just TSH, FT4 and FT3

Ā£29 (via NHS private service ) and 10% off down to Ā£26.10 if go on thyroid uk for code

thyroiduk.org/getting-a-dia...

monitormyhealth.org.uk/

NHS easy postal kit vitamin D test Ā£29 via

vitamindtest.org.uk

Medichecks Thyroid plus antibodies and vitamins

medichecks.com/products/adv...

Blue Horizon Thyroid Premium Gold includes antibodies, cortisol and vitamins by DIY fingerprick test

bluehorizonbloodtests.co.uk...

Thriva Thyroid plus antibodies and vitamins By DIY fingerpick test

thriva.co/tests/thyroid-test

Thriva also offer just vitamin testing

If TPO or TG thyroid antibodies are high this is usually due to Hashimotoā€™s (commonly known in UK as autoimmune thyroid disease).

About 90% of all primary hypothyroidism in Uk is due to Hashimotoā€™s. Low vitamin levels are particularly common with Hashimotoā€™s. Gluten intolerance is often a hidden issue to.

Link about thyroid blood tests

thyroiduk.org/getting-a-dia...

Link about Hashimotoā€™s

thyroiduk.org/hypothyroid-b...

List of hypothyroid symptoms

thyroiduk.org/if-you-are-un...

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SlowDragonAdministrator

Endometriosis and Hashimotoā€™s

kaldascenter.com/blog/endom...

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Carebear92 in reply to SlowDragon

Thank you so much for taking the time to send all of this. Iā€™ll be having a good read through after work today. This is all so helpful šŸ™‚

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shawsAdministrator

I'm sorry you have had a 'journey' before you were diagnosed. Re your blood tests for thyroid hormones, the method is as follows:-

It is a fasting test, the earliest possible, and if someone is already hypothyroid - do not take thyroid hormone replacement before blood test but take it afterwards. This helps the TSH to be at its highest as a number of doctors do not have a clue that the TSH drops throughout the day..

Get a print-out of your results everytime you get a test and make sure the ranges are also quoted. Ranges are in brackets after the result. This is because labs use different machines therefore different ranges.

If prescribed and taking thyroid hormone replacements, do not take thyroid hormones before blood test but afterwards and blood draw should be at the earliest time possible. Also request B12, Vit D, iron, ferritin and folate to be tested - everything has to be optimal.

Post your results with ranges onto a new post.

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Carebear92 in reply to shaws

Okay, I wasnā€™t told about the test needing to be on an empty stomach and itā€™s at like 2pm, so Iā€™ll just not eat after breakfast (7am), will that be enough time? Or is it worth trying to get a different appointment? Iā€™ll be sure to get a print out, I like to see it anyway. Iā€™ll post when I get them! Thanks for explaining this so clearly

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tattybogle in reply to Carebear92

definitely re arrange thyroid blood test.. even if you have to wait a few weeks for an early AM appointment. TSH has a daily rhythm. Highest very early am / middle of the night. falls gradually to its lowest around 1-3pm ish,, then slowly rises again

Statistically Less people get diagnosed if they take test in afternoon.

If they get a TSh result that is just within range this time they won't be allowed to test again for ...(i can't remember exactly how long) but 'months' at least, could even be a year if they are being really stubborn.

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tattybogle in reply to tattybogle

p.s eating makes much less difference than time of day.

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shawsAdministrator in reply to Carebear92

You weren't given advice about how best to get an optimum result because they just do not know.

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Carebear92 in reply to shaws

Thank you both so much for this advice, Iā€™ll call and rearrange as soon as! So glad I asked

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tattybogle in reply to Carebear92

if they say "we don't have any appointments at that time , and it doesn't matter what time you take a TSH test..." . etc don't bother trying to explain to them that it does matter ..( they know better .. their computer tells them it doesn't... so that's that.)

Just say " i can only get here before 'x' o'clock due to work" ....( even if your self employed ) .. life's too short to argue with receptionists.

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Carebear92 in reply to tattybogle

Yeah I was thinking this approach. Whatever is going to make my life a bit easier, Iā€™m all down for that šŸ˜‚

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shawsAdministrator

I'd follow tattybogle 's advice otherwise you will not get a proper result.

Some GPs are actually unaware of how the thyroid gland functions. I believe this as I had a comment from GP which was clear he had no knowledge whatsoever of how best to get a patient to or what is the actual dose that relieves all clinical symptoms. The comment he made to me made me respond 'I*m sorry doctor that is incorrect'.

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