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I was diagnosed with hypothyroidism about 18 months ago. I've been on 75mcg for about a year.

I haven't felt any improvement but frustratingly gynae issues/peri menopause are being attributed as the cause. As I've declined the offered treatment (Mirena) I've been basically told to just accept it.

Routine blood test, I was told my results were borderline but no need to change medication. I went and got a copy

TSH 5.59 my/L [0.3 - 5.6]

FT4 15.4 pmol/L [6.3 - 14.0]

Is there any significance with TS4 and FT4 being high (I realise TSH is technically in range but as I take Levo I'm sure it's supposed to be lower)

I'm also slightly anaemic (iron deficiency) been told to supplement for 6 months

and at risk of developing type 2 diabetes (no action)

My area won't test T3

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See/contact GP you need 25mcg dose increase in levothyroxine and bloods retested in 6-8 weeks

Which brand of levothyroxine are you currently taking?

Teva brand upsets many people (and is only brand that makes 75mcg)

The aim of levothyroxine is to increase the dose slowly upwards in 25mcg steps until TSH is under 2 . Most people when adequately treated on levothyroxine will have TSH well under one

Most important results are ALWAYS Ft3 followed by Ft4

Essential to regularly retest vitamin D, folate, ferritin and B12 levels

Low vitamins are strongly linked to being under medicated on too low a dose of levothyroxine

What vitamin supplements are you currently taking

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guidelines on dose levothyroxine by weight

Even if we don’t start on full replacement dose, most people need to increase levothyroxine dose slowly upwards in 25mcg steps (retesting 6-8 weeks after each increase) until on, or near full replacement dose

NICE guidelines on full replacement dose

nice.org.uk/guidance/ng145/...

1.3.6

Consider starting levothyroxine at a dosage of 1.6 micrograms per kilogram of body weight per day (rounded to the nearest 25 micrograms) for adults under 65 with primary hypothyroidism and no history of cardiovascular disease.

Also here

cks.nice.org.uk/topics/hypo...

gp-update.co.uk/Latest-Upda...

Traditionally we have tended to start patients on a low dose of levothyroxine and titrate it up over a period of months.

RCT evidence suggests that for the majority of patients this is not necessary and may waste resources.

For patients aged >60y or with ischaemic heart disease, start levothyroxine at 25–50μg daily and titrate up every 3 to 6 weeks as tolerated.

For ALL other patients start at full replacement dose. For most this will equate to 1.6 μg/kg/day (approximately 100μg for a 60kg woman and 125μg for a 75kg man).

If you are starting treatment for subclinical hypothyroidism, this article advises starting at a dose close to the full treatment dose on the basis that it is difficult to assess symptom response unless a therapeutic dose has been trialled.

A small Dutch double-blind cross-over study (ArchIntMed 2010;170:1996) demonstrated that night time rather than morning dosing improved TSH suppression and free T4 measurements, but made no difference to subjective wellbeing. It is reasonable to take levothyroxine at night rather than in the morning, especially for individuals who do not eat late at night.

BMJ also clear on dose required

bmj.com/content/368/bmj.m41

bestpractice.bmj.com/topics...

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Many people find Levothyroxine brands are not interchangeable.

Many patients do NOT get on well with Teva brand of Levothyroxine. Teva contains mannitol as a filler, which seems to be possible cause of problems. Teva is the only brand that makes 75mcg tablet. So if avoiding Teva for 75mcg dose ask for 25mcg to add to 50mcg or just extra 50mcg tablets to cut in half

Are you currently taking Teva?

Teva, Aristo and Glenmark are the only lactose free tablets

Most easily available (and often most easily tolerated) are Mercury Pharma or Accord

Note Accord is also boxed as Almus via Boots, and Northstar 50mcg and 100mcg via Lloyds ....but beware 25mcg Northstar is Teva

List of different brands available in U.K.

thyroiduk.org/medications-f...

Teva poll

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Once you find a brand that suits you, best to make sure to only get that one at each prescription.

Watch out for brand change when dose is increased or at repeat prescription.

academic.oup.com/jcem/artic...

Physicians should: 1) alert patients that preparations may be switched at the pharmacy; 2) encourage patients to ask to remain on the same preparation at every pharmacy refill; and 3) make sure patients understand the need to have their TSH retested and the potential for dosing readjusted every time their LT4 preparation is switched (18).

Levothyroxine is an extremely fussy hormone and should always be taken on an empty stomach and then nothing apart from water for at least an hour after

Many people take Levothyroxine soon after waking, but it may be more convenient and perhaps more effective taken at bedtime

verywellhealth.com/best-tim...

No other medication or supplements at same as Levothyroxine, leave at least 2 hour gap.

Some like iron, calcium, magnesium, HRT, omeprazole or vitamin D should be four hours away

(Time gap doesn't apply to Vitamin D mouth spray)

If you normally take levothyroxine at bedtime/in night ...adjust timings as follows prior to blood test

If testing Monday morning, delay Saturday evening dose levothyroxine until Sunday morning. Delay Sunday evening dose levothyroxine until after blood test on Monday morning. Take Monday evening dose levothyroxine as per normal

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TSH 5.59 my/L [0.3 - 5.6]

FT4 15.4 pmol/L [6.3 - 14.0]

Is there any significance with TS4 and FT4 being high (I realise TSH is technically in range but as I take Levo I'm sure it's supposed to be lower)

Was this test done as early as possible in morning before eating or drinking anything other than water and last dose levothyroxine 24 hours before test?

If you took levothyroxine before blood test it causes false high Ft4

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FriedStuffWithCheese in reply to SlowDragon

Thanks for the informative reply.

I always take early morning and there's a chance I took it before the blood test. My memory is so terrible I honestly can't remember. Blood test was done at 8am.

I've been taking mercury 50mcg

The 25mcg is Teva but I'm fairly sure it wasn't always.

Frustratingly the GP has removed the 50mcg as he said it was confusing.

GP said won't change dose and to check results in 3 months when they check iron.

I know they won't be helpful about levo brands.

I take Vitamin D, it's historically low but not had tested recently. I was not great at taking the supplement because of the 4 hour rule.

I've only just got the iron so I'll try and devise a routi that works for that.

Taking at night doesn't really work for me as I have terrible sleeping habits (tend to fall asleep on the sofa then crawl into bed at 4am)

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply to FriedStuffWithCheese

See a different GP at the surgery

Obviously you need a 25mcg dose increase in levothyroxine ASAP

Try numerous different pharmacies until you get brand levothyroxine you need.

If different GP won’t increase levothyroxine then you need to see endocrinologist

Before doing so, you will need to get FULL thyroid and vitamin testing done privately

Email Thyroid UK for list of recommend thyroid specialist endocrinologists......NHS and Private

tukadmin@thyroiduk.org

Office not open until after New Year

Thousands of members have had to fight hard to get dose increase in levothyroxine......stand your ground and insist

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply to FriedStuffWithCheese

Taking at night doesn't really work for me as I have terrible sleeping habits (tend to fall asleep on the sofa then crawl into bed at 4am)

Poor sleep is likely linked to being under medicated and hypothyroid

Anaemia almost certainly linked to being under medicated and hypothyroid

THank you. I think i will pursue the endocrinologist route, as I've had 2 GPs and a practice nurse say that within normal range is enough. I think as my TSH was high when first diagnosed (42) but came down quickly the assumption is I felt better as this happened, but it really was not true for me. I'm also wondering if the endocrinologist would take into account the at risk of diabetes result, as the GP has ignored that completely.

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