Cost of Armour 120.

[res88]

How much is everyone paying for Armour 120 here is the UK? I am out of work and paying almost £250 a month for my dose.

[shaws Administrator]

That's awful that the price has risen so high. Other members who source NDTs will respond when they read your post and send a private message.

Once upon a time, we used to get NDT prescribed in the UK (if you're in UK) but those 'experts' - that we expect to know everything and anything to do with a dysfunctional thyroid gland - seem to be very ignorant altogether due to them removing all NDTs from being prescribed, followed by T3.

These stupid and awful decisions have left many patients distressed and worried or constantly unwell.

Thousands on this forum alone, cannot and do not recover their health on levothyroxine but do so if they are able to get prescribed T3 or NDTs which is getting steadily much more difficult.

How can 'experts' make such awful decisions which thousands of hypo patients disagree with and it is the patients who should make the decisions of what helps them recover their health - not lose employment - unable to pay rent etc etc etc. Besides the professionals have actually had to state untruths about the oldest and beneficial thyroid hormone replacements - used since 1892 and people didn't die an awful death from then on but in this day and age they are being denied NDT or T3.

Also far worse - they have only allowed for levothyroxine to be prescribed and, for many on this forum in particular, have not recovered their health upon levo.

Why did these people decide on being endocrinoloists if they don't even understand the basics of being hypothyroid!

[MikeM46 in reply to shaws]

Have been & continue to be involved in campaigning for better thyroid treatment since only 2017. This includes reading through acres & acres of clinical research literature and medical association and governmental guidelines from Europe & North America.

There is one aspect of this entire mess that worries me most deeply and that is the astounding levels of ignorance and lack of even fundamental knowledge of the biological aspects of thyroid related physiology ... and not just amongst GPs but from patient accounts on the part of far too many endocrinologists, even those of some “clinical eminence”.

Tbh, at times it seems uncanilly like theological warfare during the Reformation period.

So back to the level of “ignorance”, one question I repeatedly ask myself is are we basically just continuously swimming against the current so to speak?

The one aspect of this that never seems to be questioned or investigated is the content and nature of learning delivered from undergraduate level upwards and including later into clinical and professional level a requirement for periodic re-assessment of current knowledge and competency.

If university med schools are churning out medical graduates lacking knowledge of the fundamental dynamics involved what hope is there for improvement?

If that is not the case and the approach at undergraduate and postgraduate levels are fundamentally sound, then how & why is this extraordinary level

of ignorance allowed to persist at practitioner levels? I suspect this is something as the unfortunate recipients of this ignorance being inflicted on us as patients that we should begin to look into & if appropriate challenge.

[shaws Administrator in reply to MikeM46]

You are so right and it is us, the patient, who cannot have a say-so at all and the more comments/advice we get from many of the so-called people trained in the importance of thyroid hormones is abominal.

Mine told me that " my TSH was too low and T4 too low". I replied "Yes doctor that's because I don't take T4 but T3". He stated but T3 converts to T4! My 'response - "I'm sorry doctor that's wrong".

Thank goodness we have this forum and the majority of our members know far more than many of the medical professionals.

People who don't have access to the internet are completely lost, unless they are doing very well on levothyroxine - and quite a number are.

I have also read a 'testament a woman wrote for the doctor' to state why she was taking her life as she couldn't continue being so unwell.

The fact, too, that Research is ignored completely. Comparing many 'modern-day doctors' to the 'old school' who were trained before blood tests were introduced (now costing thousands of ££££s each year) and who prescribed NDT introduced in 1892 without blood tests and from then on people survived.

Recently the BTA withdrew NDT through misinformation - just as they did T3. This means that only levo will be prescribed unless people go private (or hope an Endocrinologist will prescribe T3) or search the internet and then have to pay for their prescriptions but only those who have the wherewithall can do so.

Women had to strike in order to get the vote, so it would seem feasible that some action might have to take place in order to change attitudes of the medical professionals regarding thyroid hormones.

It is not (not all doctors/endocrinologists) a case of doctor knows all when the patient isn't improving but complaining.

I had the very good experience of consulting with both Dr Gordon Skinner and Dr Barry Peatfield (both now deceased) and both treated the patient and not the blood test. Both were pursued and Dr Peatfield resigned his Licence so that he could continue to consult. Read 'Tears Behind Closed Doors' by Diana Holmes'. Also Dr Skinner saved this woman's life:-

stopthethyroidmadness.com/2...

Both also knew, as the patient walked into the surgery that they were hypo without blood tests but their experience.

Who on earth would have put in complaints about these doctors? Definitely

not patients whose health they restored.

Dr Skinner's staff, since his demise, have been collating all of their research and are hoping to publish when they have sufficient funds to do so. They state it would change attitudes in the medical professionals.

Dr S and Dr P needed no blood tests to diagnose a patient. Experience as medical students fulfilled all that was required as no blood tests were available then. Big Pharma must have quite a revenue from blood tests/medications plus extra meds to try to ease remaining symptoms.

[1Cazza]

Try another NDT there are cheaper ones, Armour has gone through the roof.

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Please consider this fact before you accept an innoculation for Covid:It is the MHRA who approve or disapprove of each and every new drug (BUT nobody ever requested them to approve Levothyroxine or Liothyronine, despite which NICE states in their recommendations for NDT that every medication must be verified by them!).

The website of Armour NDT claimed a few year s ago that their brand of this NATURAL substance was comprised of SYNTHETIC Levothyroxine and SYNTHETIC Liothyronine, information which at that time was repeated on the MHRA site as well.

I asked them why they were prepared to repeat an obvious LIE and was met with the astounding reply that they are not allowed to query it!

I wrote to Armour and they altered the wording to state the truth. They never contacted me.

I shall be refusing any vaccine for Covid19.