The September result - over range TSH (for the second time) with raised antibodies, should have given you a diagnosis of autoimmune thyroid disease (known to patients as Hashimoto's) andyou should have been prescribed Levothyroxine at the time.
Dr Toft, past president of the British Thyroid Association and leading endocrinologist, states in Pulse Magazine (the magazine for doctors) in answer to Question 2:
Question 2 asks:
I often see patients who have an elevated TSH but normal T4. How should I be managing them?
Answer:
The combination of a normal serum T4 and raised serum TSH is known as subclinical hypothyroidism. If measured, serum T3 will also be normal. Repeat thyroid function tests in 2 or 3 months in case the abnormality represents a resolving thyroiditis.
But if it persists then antibodies to thyroid peroxidase should be measured. If these are positive - indicative of underlying autoimmune thyroid disease - the patient should be considered to have the mildest form of hypothyroidism.
In the absence of symptoms, some would simply recommend annual thyroid function tests until serum TSH is over 10mU/l or symptoms such as tiredness and weight gain develop. But a more pragmatic approach is to recognise that the thyroid failure is likely to become worse and try to nip things in the bud rather than risk loss to follow up.
Treatment should be started with levothyroxine in a dose sufficient to restored serum TSH to the lower part of it's reference range. Levothyroxine in a dose of 75-100mcg daily will usually be enough.
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What a pity doctors are so poorly trained in thyroid disease and are so ignorant of this fact.
Most doctors only think of Primary Hypothyroidism and we have to wait until out TSH reaches 10 before that we get a diagnosis/treatment.
Today’s blood test results 17th September 2020
TSH 5.8 (0.3-5.5)
FT4 14 (10-22)
Again your TSH is over range. If you can get another test where TSH is over range with raised antibodies then you could use the Dr Toft article to persuade your GP to start treatment.
Always advised here, when having thyroid tests:
* Blood draw no later than 9am. This is because TSH is highest early morning and lowers throughout the day. If looking for a diagnosis of hypothyroidism, an increase in dose of Levo or to avoid a reduction then we need the highest possible TSH
* Nothing to eat or drink except water before the blood draw. This is because eating can lower TSH and coffee can affect TSH.
* If you take Biotin or a B Complex containing Biotin (B7), leave this off for 7 days before any blood test. This is because if Biotin is used in the testing procedure it can give false results (most labs use biotin).
These are patient to patient tips which we don't discuss with phlebotomists or doctors.
Some Hashi's information:
Hashi's is where the immune system attacks the thyroid and gradually destroys it.
Fluctuations in symptoms and test results are common with Hashi's.
Most doctors dismiss antibodies as being of no importance and know little or nothing about Hashi's and how it affects the patient, test results and symptoms. You need to read, learn, understand and help yourself where Hashi's is concerned.
Some members have found that adopting a strict gluten free diet can help, although there is no guarantee.
Gluten contains gliadin (a protein) which is thought to trigger autoimmune attacks so eliminating gluten can help reduce these attacks.
You don't need to be gluten sensitive or have Coeliac disease for a gluten free diet to help.
Supplementing with selenium l-selenomethionine 200mcg daily is said to help reduce the antibodies, as can keeping TSH suppressed.
Hashi's and gut absorption problems tend to go hand in hand and can very often result in low nutrient levels or deficiencies. It's essential to test Vit D, B12, Folate and Ferritin and address any problems. You are welcome to post these results, including reference ranges (plus units of measurement for Vit D and B12), for comment and suggestions for supplementing where necessary.
Thank you for your reply, I just feel that doctors never listen to me, I constantly feel tired, and have brain fog amongst other symptoms, however my doctor will not prescribe me any medication until my TSH level is over 10.
My sister also has Hashimoto’s and I was told it can be genetic.
This is my 3rd doctor I have seen and still no luck
however my doctor will not prescribe me any medication until my TSH level is over 10.
So your doctor is concentrating on Primary Hypothyroidism. I wonder why when, after having a quick look at your previous post, your doctor knows about your raised antibodies?
I expect if tested again they may still be raised.
Did you have your thyroid ultrasound that you mentioned a couple of years ago?
Maybe read through your previous posts, you had a lot of information back then.
Yes had my thyroid ultrasound after having a high TSH level for a second time, which showed heterogeneous but no nodules, my doctor said that my antibodies are temporary and will go away, and pretty much said they have no significance. I’m just fed up really, that I feel exhausted everyday and feel dismissed by my doctor
my doctor said that my antibodies are temporary and will go away,
And that was two years ago. Have they been retested and did they go away? Maybe time for a new test.
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Well there obviously is something wrong so either ask your GP to retest your antibodies, giving her the reason why (plenty of information in reply to your previous posts you can use) or get a private test done.
For full Thyroid evaluation you need TSH, FT4 and FT3 plus both TPO and TG thyroid antibodies tested. Also EXTREMELY important to test vitamin D, folate, ferritin and B12
Low vitamin levels are extremely common, especially as you have autoimmune thyroid disease (Hashimoto's) diagnosed by raised Thyroid antibodies
Ask/insist that GP to test vitamin levels
Or test privately
Recommended on here that all thyroid blood tests should ideally be done as early as possible in morning and before eating or drinking anything other than water .
This gives highest TSH, lowest FT4 and most consistent results. (Patient to patient tip)
Private tests are available as NHS currently rarely tests Ft3 or thyroid antibodies or all relevant vitamins
Hashimoto's affects the gut and leads to low stomach acid and then low vitamin levels
Low vitamin levels affect Thyroid hormone working
Poor gut function can lead leaky gut (literally holes in gut wall) this can cause food intolerances. Most common by far is gluten. Dairy is second most common.
According to Izabella Wentz the Thyroid Pharmacist approx 5% with Hashimoto's are coeliac, but over 80% find gluten free diet helps, sometimes significantly. Either due to direct gluten intolerance (no test available) or due to leaky gut and gluten causing molecular mimicry (see Amy Myers link)
Changing to a strictly gluten free diet may help reduce symptoms, help gut heal and slowly lower TPO antibodies
While still eating high gluten diet ask GP for coeliac blood test first or buy test online for under £20, just to rule it out first
The predominance of Hashimoto thyroiditis represents an interesting finding, since it has been indirectly confirmed by an Italian study, showing that autoimmune thyroid disease is a risk factor for the evolution towards NCGS in a group of patients with minimal duodenal inflammation. On these bases, an autoimmune stigma in NCGS is strongly supported
In summary, whereas it is not yet clear whether a gluten free diet can prevent autoimmune diseases, it is worth mentioning that HT patients with or without CD benefit from a diet low in gluten as far as the progression and the potential disease complications are concerned
Despite the fact that 5-10% of patients have Celiac disease, in my experience and in the experience of many other physicians, at least 80% + of patients with Hashimoto's who go gluten-free notice a reduction in their symptoms almost immediately.
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Should any other tests be requested in my case?
Thyroid help please
Vitamin and mineral advice please - edited and added thyroid results
Thyroid Results and at a loss!
Hmmmm..... results in - should I be pleased or not ??
