This is not new since vitamin C has been known to behave as an antiviral for decades. Yesterday a functional doctor explained how it works but this came to me today from the Zielinski's who have contributed to summits because of their expertise in essential oils.
"We just read in the news that China is currently treating Coronavirus COVID-19 with Intravenous Vitamin C and it appears to be working...
According to Johns Hopkins University, nearly 60% of all people infected with COVID-19 have fully recovered & this number is climbing rapidly. In China, where the virus was first detected a few months ago, the number of new infections continued to dwindle. That's great news!
Also, several studies are currently under way in China to see if high doses of vitamin C can help fight off coronavirus. Scientists at Wuhan University are testing its effects on 120 patients who have the virus, giving them daily doses of 24g of vitamin C for seven days.
According to Dr Thomas Levy, a U.S. cardiologist and author of Primal Panacea, a new book about the uses of vitamin C, research has proven that vitamin C has worked against every virus — if given in sufficient concentration." And this is exactly what China is trying to determine."
In the meantime...
(from Mama Z)
"While we wait for research to confirm the proper dose, our family is loading up on lyposomal vitamin C as a precaution - just like we do every flu season.
There's definitely no way we can consume the amount of vitamin C that we need to ward off viruses, which is why so many people are racing to their local grocery and online stores to stock up on supplements.
(They promote Purathrive brand)"
I am not so sure about that.
Yesterday listening to a functional doctor discuss taking vitamin C to fight disease he also began saying intravenous is the best way for intake. He said that he would use high doses of liposomal C which also may not be practical for us but this is the way I first learned it........... with plain ascorbic acid crystals. One teaspoon is about one gram which you take every hour with lots of water throughout the day. Once you get enough in the bloodstream it will be attracted to cells where it will act. He explained it more scientifically and warned you will have loose stools by the end of it so flush that virus down the toilet!
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I attended Dr Thomas Levy's talk on Vitamin C at The Get Well Show in London last month and he also spoke about high steady doses of intravenous Vitamin C are being used to treat Coronavirus in China. It's funny how the main media doesn't report this.
It came in from Papa Z and Mama Z. I signed into some of their information. They have been in many of the health summits because essential oils can also be useful in disease. I was surprised they didn't actually mention frankincense and myrhh although they may be more antifungal.
Yesterday I was catching bits of the Fatty Liver Summit and Dr. Landsman interviewed the doctor who explained vitamin c. He said you cannot overdose on vitamin c but I think it might not be wise to continue over several days because of the loose stools. There was something about the electrical charge and I should have tried taking notes because electrolytes are important and I'm uncertain if C adds a charge or not.
Andrew Saul perhaps ? Lots of his recent articles are out there at the moment.
Dabbling iodine around the nose.
Good VitD levels also needed.
No talk of prevention from the government gods here.
A Bio Science Lab in Wuhuan handles the most dangerous viruses in the world for biological warfare - supported by the WHO. Chinese Americans there ... Also Wuhuan was the first city to be flooded with 5G - which disrupts oxygen molecules complicating breathing conditions. We have become far too clever for our wellbeing and very existence ...
Oh, my goodness....is that true about Wuhuan???? Someone slipped up.
I was busy here and tried to listen to some of the interviews so I would slide past the introduction to save time. All I can say is that he was the man in the red shirt, haha. I can probably do some digging. I know it was not Dr. Saul, though, I just have never seen this doctor before. It was a great summit with new information.
I volunteered for something and it took all my time. The summit was more important so now I'm sour. 😡😡
Re vitamin C - the man in the red shirt is Thomas Levy (day 7) and the kinesiology was Moshe Deckel (day 6). It was great wasn't it!
There is a lot on GreenMedInfo about coronavirus if you haven't seen it. Vitamin C still seems to be number 1 hope for prevention, reduction of severity and treatment. greenmedinfo.com/blog/news-.... Boosting the immune system with Vit C, zinc, magnesium, Vit D3 and a bit of selenium (plus liquorice root if you get the virus). Best wishes x
Sorry misspelled Dr Dekel - I think he said it was a modified magnet, but don't recall any more, sorry. Under his name it says Healing With Energy Medicine but don't know if that is a book or a website etc, can't find anything so perhaps just the title of his talk.
And speaking of 5G, another doctor, former surgeon who went rogue into kinesiology and demonstrated how weak they got when they put a cell phone close to the heart. Amazing. The muscle test was having them touch the thumb to the middle finger and try to pry them apart. Real easy with the cell phone nearby.
The doctor had a magnet or something attached to his cell phone to protect himself. Do you know about that. I have to look into it.
This surgeon left medicine because he himself was quite disabled from body breaking down because of the position of bending over patients. He also uses stem cells.
Yes there are various gizmos to protect us but have yet to focus and sort. I have seen something you attach to phones and routers in a supplement book which I no longer have !!
They switched on 5G in my area last year they chopped the beautiful trees down to prepare for it too. It concerns me greatly I want to know how I can protect myself. I have altered ringing tones in my ears which at times feels like an electric shock going through my brain. Everyone seems so informed here x
I unplug the router when not in use and there have been functional doctors making other recommendations. Some people have painted walls with protective paint and then "earthing sheets". I guess we should be taking this seriously. Thanks for the post.
Me too. I switch off my wifi at night, no need to be irradiated 24/7. I placed the router as far away from where my computer needs it, just before the field cuts out. That way I minimize it's impact on my body. Oh and btw, do not use a lap top on your lap!
Regarding shielding material to cut down cell phone radiation into your house I recommend you buy a small sample first. I had the idea to put sheets of clear coated plasticy material to make curtains to place on the side of the house that gets the most radiation. I bought a small sample first and wrapped my phone in it - nothing happened, still 3 "bars". I folded it into 4 and again wrapped my phone in it and again no reduction in intensity - so I abandoned that idea. The same goes for paint, paint a section on a piece of cardboard first and hold it to the wall which receives the most incoming radiation and see if your phone signal is reduced. If it is, great, but if it isn't - well, back to the drawing board.
I have also considered covering a "Chinese screen" that I have with some radiation reducing material to put by my bed - but again, what material? If anyone has had any success please tell.
Oh, a couple of brick walls does the trick, so you could spend most of your day in a room which is two rooms in from the outside.
Yes, but that would be very expensive and there is probably no need to shield from every direction, in my house it just comes from the East and a weak intensity from the West. Even a single screen would cost a lot in copper foil.
A lot of modern houses are already getting towards being Faraday cages. Modern polyisocyanurate insulation sheets often have a layer of aluminium foil on them. This already severely affects mobile phone and other radio signals. Many people cannot get wifi working round their houses without using repeaters (of some sort) because of this. (Obviously depends on the design of the house.)
It doesn't have to be copper. It doesn't even have to be a foil - woven metal is sufficient. (The precise fineness depends on wavelengths involved.)
I am definitely going to look into that to put on two walls of my bedroom. Downstairs is OK because I have an earthen bank to the East of the house which interrupts line of site from the source to the East, I have to go to one corner of my house downstairs to get a cell signal (and that's OK with me). Upstairs (on a hill) is another story (NPI).
Easier to call them Celotex - but that company is being severely criticised for its role in the Grenfell fire disaster.
By the way, I am not personally convinced there is much of an issue. And, if there is, the best action might not be the most obvious.
For example, with 3G/4G more masts meant that our phones could operate at lower power. But the most common shout was that people didn't want any masts anywhere near them.
Yes, I am one of them (no cell phone towers anywhere). I was in a fool's paradise when my neighborhood was in a cell tower free area being in the country. I then learned (as you say) that the fewer towers you have, the stronger your cell phone has to work to find a transmitter. I usually use my land line and only use my cell for traveling.
Ascorbic acid isn't going to remain as crystals when you consume it! Powdered is just small and imperfectly formed crystals. You get obvious crystals when a solution is evaporated slowly.
Oh gosh yes, electromagnetic radiation! Amongst other things it lowers ones' immune system. There is an amazing TED talk on youtube somewhere when experiments were done on ill patients and how it can be shown that the immune systems of ill people work properly when em radiation is shielded form them and how they didn't get better quickly if they were exposed to prevailing radiation. I am so angry about this em radiation - but I am old, I can only keep telling people one way or another.
Regarding Vitamin C, I am eating at least one orange or half a grapefruit every day while this COVID19 is around to boost my immune system.
In desperation some time ago I did a genetic test and a functional one, really to check methylation, but got much more information than just that. Did the tests through Micki Rose (purehealthclinic.co.uk/) who I've mentioned before. I paid for a test report so she gave me some pointers and Kirkman's Detox Aid is a part of it. It closely ties to Datis Kharrazian's thinking.
Early days - I'm so hypersensitive that I'm splitting the capsules and re-capsuling them. Should be on 3 daily (1 with each meal) but started on one quarter of one daily, now up to three quarters am, and half at noon and pm. Will add another quarter on Monday all being well!!
My Avurdedic doctor in Goa prescribes cumin seed brewed and strained to drink as tea for indigestion. And it works! It's interesting that in India alternative medicine is freely used in conjunction with regular pharmaceuticals - yet in this country most holistic/naturopathic is still frowned upon by the medical profession.
my daughter did a lot of research and indeed she also learned about the benefits of vitamin c in treating the corona virus. she has ordered liquid vitamin c for both of us. i indeed eat lots of fruit and have never had a cold or flu for 12 years. vitamin c has to be taken every day as the body does not store it. And yes, it is a disgrace that this is not publicly made known. Makes you wonder.............. She has also researched that there is no virus as such but the symptoms people are experiencing are the effects of the 5G towers that are being erected. China has thousands in place already....... (an interesting conspiracy theory lol)
Ha, I'm not discounting ANY conspiracy theories until disproven. Since Sars, etc. were considered Corona viruses it could be another mutation, couldn't it? But I'm sure the effects of 5G could be a part of it.
I think that is extraordinarily unlikely. As the 5G networks are being built, there are very well-defined ares with 5G, and the rest of both the UK and China do not have 5G.
It should be very, very obvious whilst the 5G coverage is still so limited.
Categorically, some of the UK cases I have checked are in areas which do not have any 5G - not even anywhere near. And some areas I know have 5G have no cases at all.
[This is not meant to get into any discussion about whether or not 5G has any effects whatsoever on health, just the specific issue oc corona virus/covid-19.]
no it isnt a discussion about 5G, i just mentioned a conspiracy theory at the end of my comment with a lol beside it. obviously not proven. - btw china has 80 5G stations set up ready to go. modern technology though certainly has a detrimental effect on peoples health
Electrolyte is the medical and scientific term for salts, specifically ions. ... One of the benefits of vitamin C in the form of mineral ascorbate is that it is made up of these electrolytes, specifically potassium, sodium, magnesium, and calcium.
I think it's fine as explained here:
Citrus fruits such as oranges and lemons contain citric acid and ascorbic acid, which is better known as vitamin C. ... Aqueous solutions of acids are electrolytes, meaning that they conduct electrical current. Some acids are strong electrolytes because they ionize completely in water, yielding a great many ions.Nov 24, 2018
I’ve been taking 2-3grams of Ascorbic acid Powder ever since I attended Dr Levy’s talk at the show. I also asked him about those mineral ascorbates as I was taking magnesium ascorbate. He told me it is fine but not necessary as you can obtain both the magnesium and Ascorbic acid more cheaply separately. It is however better for those who cannot tolerate Ascorbic acid unbound.
Dr Sarah Myhill also recommends it for those with excessive bacterial overgrowth (as is common with CFS/ME) in the gut. She recommends 2-3g to bowel tolerance for CFS/ME. I’ve not had any diarrhoea so I probably need more because she recommends taking it to bowel tolerance. The greater the bad bacterial overload the more Vitamin C we need.
I’ve read that Calcium Ascorbate is the least favourable out of all those for obvious reasons as we shouldn’t be supplementing with calcium in most cases anyway. Those with blood pressure issues need to be careful with Potassium and Sodium Ascorbate. Magnesium is the better form out of the lot.
An acid or a soluble salt will dissociate into ions when dissolved in water. Those ions (charged atoms or groups of atoms) are often referred to as electrolytes in medicine. In general, an electrolyte will be affected by electricity being passed through a solution. The ions will migrate towards the electrode (what connects the liquid to the electrical supply) of oppistie charge to the ion. A H+ (positively charged hydrogen ion) will migrate towards a negative electrode.
P.S. On the Facebook page for people following Dr SM's protocol, one of the admins was made to take down references to current research on Vit C treatment for Covid-19 by the FB police.
Either that, or yet another complaint by one of SM's jealous colleagues.
I get arthitic type pain with excess Vit C, citric and sour things in general. I used to swear by Boots Vit C 500mg until they changed the prep. So I didn't have any for 10 years and kept getting colds/flu/ and coughs. Now I've found Solgar 1000mg but am not convinced its got any vit C as it has no effect.
I also tried the Asorbic acid powder, but got severe pain in my joints, and body.
Any suggestions on good preps that don't wreak havoc on arthritic bodies?
I've never heard of anyone else seemingly intolerant to it, but my whole family is.
I was buying a golden milk mix, then realised I could make my own with extra strength turmeric, coconut powder, cinnamon & nutmeg (ginger is also a usual ingredient but I dislike it). 🤗 I’m not a fan if it with black pepper (pipeline helps us absorb the citcu in) so add extra to my dinner then have a mug of golden milk for pudding. It’s nice with plant milks for those who are dairy free though these have lower fat content though the coconut can make up for that.
Yes, I think it’s the same stuff. It’s a tad grittier than the premixed golden milk so the bigger particles sink. I just keep stirring as I slurp. As fat is good for absorption, I sometimes add a dollop of organic cream. 🤗 If you like it, add some ginger, & remember the black pepper in it or before.
Are you gluten free? It could be that you are reacting to corn, as I do, which is what most Vit C is made from. I had real problems finding one that I could take (and afford) and have had to settle for calcium ascorbate (which I know is not ideal) and not take as much as I would like to. I use Vit D3 and K2 too plus other stuff. This is what Micki Rose says on vit C 'Generally, you need to find cassava or sugar beet-derived Vitamin C. 99% of Vitamin C comes from one factory in China and is corn-derived. However, cassava-derived Vit C I have discovered does use corn in one of the processing steps. You shouldn’t react but please be aware'. I use Bio Health bio-health.co.uk/shop/bio-h....
I also have sensitivity to certain vit C but have found Sainsbury’s basic ones I can tolerate, there only £1 they also do them with added zinc. because you said you got on ok with boots before they changed ingredients, I wonder if these would suite you x
I take Nutri C-1000 - it is time release and I find it gentle on the stomach, as I also find other forms too 'acidic'.
I know that part of the idea of taking large amounts of Vit' C is to flood the system, so the time release does delay that, but for me, if I need a higher dose, I just take more tablets at once.
I generally take 3000mg per day, but any sign of infection and I take a lot more.
Re' your arthritic pain - worth checking your Vit' D3 levels & intake?
I've just had a very painful week re' arthritis and suddenly discovered that it was largely linked to me running out of Vitamin D3, i.e. when I started taking it again the pain was much subdued!
Recent research suggests that it takes 40,000IU/day to be toxic, which is way above the current RDA, which was set based on how much Vit' D3 is in a spoonful of Cod Liver Oil, rather than what we actually need physiologically!
Recent research suggests that it takes 40,000IU/day to be toxic
Good to know, as I just sent my doctor a message telling her that I am going to increase my current Vitamin D3 intake (5,000 IU + 100 mcg Vitamin K2-MK7) by an additional 5,000 IU of D3.
Reason is that I am only at 43 ng/mL and am aiming for 60 ng/mL to prevent recurrence of lung cancer / occurrence of breast cancer after After she picks her eyeballs up off the floor, I expect her to panic about how much greater 10,000 is than the current RDA.
Lots if salad’ish veg are high in vitamin C, if you don’t find them goitrogenic. I’m a fan of rocket, watercress & spinach with lots of tomatoes & avocado.
Oh, really, fibro? Do you perhaps take calcium? A different doctor says no one should take calcium unless they have some problem that calls for that or he also mentioned calcitonin. He did indicate that hypothyroid people might need some but otherwise he said that calcium does more harm than good and collects in the joints and may ultimately cause cancer. I used to take a calcium supplement along with magnesium so maybe that is why I did not have a problem. I think he said 300 mgs was all the body needs.
Calcium will pull acid in the gut to metabolize. Do you think there may be a connection to the calcium you may have in your joints and the vitamin c? There must be a reason for this.
He did go on to say that when they used it intravenously they could use sodium ascorbate? and another type. Sorry I didn't take notes. Actually, read Serendipitious' message above.
But there is always a reason and it would be nice to know what it is.
Calcium blocks the absorption of most nutrients and is dangerous if not taken with vitamin K2 and D3. The K2, in particular, puts the calcium in the bones rather than allow it to fur up the arteries.
Long term high vitamin C use can be an issue, as it can cause kidney stones.
Pain in the joints, etc., could be down to high oxalate intake. Supplementation is quite the minefield, as I've recently discovered!
I tend to forget taking calcium. I would love to know what it is, not least because I love all citrus fruits, vinegars etc.
K2 so important to activate the enzyme that escorts calcium to bones and teeth, deficiency in K2 will allow calcium to drift to soft tissue , muscle (the heart is a muscle) we don'want hardening of the heart muscle or hardening of the arteries)
You will know your own health condition better than anyone, but K2 is not K1.
K1 found particularly in green veg affects the coagulation of blood and can therefore disrupt the amout of drug to be taken to remain stable.
However as my mum inlaw used to take warfarin, so we looked into. I was told by the doctor when I enquired, that GP's /consultants don't trust patients to be consistent with how much green veg they eat every day(aka vit K1 provided) and so state on info provided by the hospital that they must not eat certain green veg at all. This is the policy instead of taking time to sit with patients and explain. This was abhorrent to me as the more green veg and so K1 you have the less drug you need , so surely it is better for the patient to be told to eat as many green veg as possible every day But to be consistent.
However K2 is not K1. K2 is a fat soluble vitamin (that most doctors havent even heard of as only discovered in the 1990's as having a separate function)
Fat soluble that is found alongside vit D, A, and E in high fat dairy , high fat cheese in the form of K2 mk 4 and fat in meat from grassfed herds created by specific gut bacteria if you have the correct strains, bacterial process in intoduction of specific bacteria into certain cheeses. Some found in fermented foods such as naturally fermented Sourkraut . Japanese natto (fermented soy) contains the highest
K2 Mk7. Which may account for the Japanese having the lowest heart disease. See Kate Rheaume Bleue's book The Calcium Paradox : the little known vitamin that may save your life. Very readable factual book with lots of info and easily dip into for different health condition info.
The Japanese also treat osteoporosis with K2 rather than western pharmaceuticals. Their rates of osteoporosis are far lower than ours, so I think I prefer their methods to Big Pharma's.
If the Chonese healthcare services were using vit C to treat covid-19 our governments and media would know about it and have reported it. Thinking any different is Lalaland thinking.
You may have a different opinion of health services , practices , med studies /trials and endorsed pharmaceuticals, prescription advice to GP's and Govt QOF payments to GP's/ GP surgeries, basically the medical profession's status quo, if you read British GP ( with specialism in cardiology) Dr Malcolm Kendrick's book 'Doctoring Data'
Here is a recent short blog post of Dr Kendrick's - makes interesting reading
I think you are being very naive Scothyroid and should think about challenging what is presented to you in the news a little more! I find it intensely annoying that naysayers who accuse others of LaLaland thinking are usually the ones that just follow blindly and don’t do any of their own research.
If you read the posts above and try to find the articles referenced you will see that many have been pulled already where they relate to coronavirus. This sort of press censorship is not new, especially where big pharma profits are at stake...as E_lizab8 says.
Beat me to it. If the media tells me it's sunny outside, I'd still go and take a look to make sure. And the UK media is rated as the least trustworthy in the EU. In the days of the internet you'd have to be very naive indeed to believe anything you're told by the media - and especially the BBC!
Indeed. The tabloid press was largely responsible for pro-Brexit mania. That's a whole different can of worms but reinforces your advice to do your own research.
There has been an attempt, over decades, to subdue the understanding of Vitamin C, discovered in part by Linus Pauling. I stopped taking oral Vitamin C a while back and now realise how foolish I have been. Have just ordered some which is a dermal spray, from a doctor who specialises in nutrition. Are we allowed to share names and sources on here?
I have been reading Dr. Jenny Goodman this week, who has written a new book about Eco medicine, and she refers to Dr. Sarah Myhill. You can find her online...I don’t think adverts are allowed on here, and I am no expert, but I stopped oral Vitamin C because of gastric issues. I think we are now realising how much the skin absorbs...
Advertising is not allowed but relevant identification of products and suppliers usually is OK. (Not when they supply prescription-only products without prescription.)
OK..well, Dr. Sarah Myhill can be found easily online. There is a book about combating infection, which is relevant to all; also a range of supplements and transdermal sprays. Currently an offer of three sprays @ £25. I have not yet received my order, so can’t comment on their efficacy.
If it's not too much trouble, could you please message me the name of the clinic, incase it's the one I went to last year(as they also offer vitamin C IV) I never had it done.
Actually, I imagine you could simply dissolve ascorbic acid in distilled water and put it in a spray bottle. I wonder if it would be sticky? I use vitamin C on my face, so I don't see why you couldn't spray your body with the stuff.
I believe vitamin C in high doses and administered intravenously has always been know to kill almost anything that’s anaerobic in the human body. But any therapy like this is probably only done by approved naturopaths and private clinics. NHS probably not.
What annoys me is that almost everywhere now, in stores and online, Vitamin C supplements are almost out of stock. Antibacterial hand sanitizers, sanitizing wipes, rubbing alcohol and disinfectant sprays are pretty much completely out of stock everywhere in all countries which is honestly mind blowing because how badly stocked were stores to begin with that it would be that easy for them to go completely out of stock of such essential items, whether there was a virus epidemic or not?? None of the stores have even bothered to re-stock, claiming that manufacturers of sanitizing products are behind on production...how is that even possible considering how many factories there are around the world that produce such items? I really don’t get how it’s even possible considering what a crucial time it is to be producing more of such items...and that there should ALWAYS be an adequate amount of backup in case another virus was to start circulating. Surely, the past experiences of SARS, MERS and Ebola has taught manufacturers and retail companies a lesson or two?!
Just goes to show how underprepared we were to begin with and how incompetent and inefficient us humans are at managing crises 😩.
If it is true, then it makes sense there’re going to look after themselves. Filling there bunkers up with supplies because the elite don’t care about us.
How can all these stocks be so low and run out so quickly. My pharmacy is the same almost anything now needs to be ordered. It’s like they don’t want to spend money on being well stocked. And the ridiculous situation with loo roll, demand is greater than supply. Surely, there’s mountains of this stuff in warehouses we surely can’t run out so fast so quick. The next thing you’ll hear is manufacturers can’t make or cope with the demand. How would people cope if we had a world war on our hands...
Hahaha, guess we’d have to use tree leaves for toilet paper and bathe in the nearest body of water 😄🤢.
I honestly think both you and Timetraveler67 have made some good points (because they do make sense.) It’s likely most of the stock is being shipped and sent to people in high positions of authority and, also, stores don’t want to have to pay the costs of restocking just for us, the general public. Because, logically, there is no way that there is not enough backup stock of daily essentials!
So many pharmacy stores and Amazon sellers are trying to make extra profit off of this and pricing face masks, sanitizers and disinfectant sprays at triple or quadruple their usual price. It’s insane!
Look up Dr. Frederick Klenner. He was an MD in North Carolina who, in the 1940s and beyond, used vitamin C injections and IVs to treat polio, pneumonia, Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever and flu, both in children and adults, including his own children. His results were published in peer reviewed medical journals. Another physician was the late Dr. Robert Cathcart. Dr. Thomas Levy carries on their work and research.
(Some are in pre-publication state but made accessible due to the emergency status.)
If vitamin C were such a strong candidate, I would expect the medical establishment to be saying a lot more about it. After all, medical staff are at particular risk and would benefit hugely if such a simple approach were found to make a useful difference.
What does concern me though, is that some might experience symptoms, start or continue vitamin C, and not seek further help. There is the obvious possibility that doing so might well have a negative outcome.
Also, I believe that it is usual to re-rest when someone recovers. If people have simply self-isolated and self-treated (with vitamin C or anything else), they might miss being tested at all, and very likely not be (re-)tested when they appear to recover. If they were still infectious at that stage, they could pass it on.
They will only test you if you have been to another country or been in contact with a diagnosed Coronavirus patient. Otherwise rest at home.
I think this will change as it spreads.....
Last night I was listening to an expert on this and he said what is most key is testing, testing testing as this the only way you will know the real spread and this feeds into how you are going to tackle it and importantly shows how effective your measures are. It made sense to me........but the logistics must be huge.
I think that those people who wish to use vitamin c as prevention, (if it did indeed in fact prevent, that is indeed enpower their own immune system to natuarlly defeat the virus) than that could only be a good thing. And anyone who is a person taking onboard such responsiblity would be intelligent enough to contact/that is ring 101 if despite using alternative methods developed symptoms.
What is the NHS info to people who feel the need to self isolate either because have symptoms or not? Do they inform the person to let them know when fine and contact for testing to make sure not passing on - I fear not. So I can't see the difference in using your own method to prevent or defeat.
I have heard from a friend who lives in Hong Kong (possibly rumours - can't be validated) that younger people who became positive for the virus /symptoms in China and recovered are now seeing a downturn in their health and succumbing again. Which seems to suggest mutation of the virus. My friend told me this about younger people , just as I saw announced in some news report that the virus was mutating into a more aggressive form. His comment was, there is so much more we have yet to learn about this virus.
Who knows what are rumours/truths but I do feel that we need to treat with whatever method we choose for much longer than just the disappearance of symptoms
Altho it is well known re IV vit C often being successful in cancer treatment and viral/bacterial infection - boost the body's defence system and let the immune system do it's job rather than taking drugs, most of us aren't going to be able to access.
I have heard Andrew Saul talking of taking high dose ascorbic acid (vit c) every hour throughout an infection and how he can feel the effect after a few hours. And if I contracted the virus, I think I would do that. He seemed to think that it was more important to take the doseages no matter how cheap the vit c was rather than taking less of the more expensive formulas, where you possibly wouldn't be able to afford the doseages.
I was just thinking that as a preventative it could be a good idea to take a high vit c content fruit such as Camu Camu (as far as I know contains the highest vit C) and you can get in powder form. I have some in the cupboard - a bit old as have not kept up with taking, but will take and order some more
Wild Oregano Oil is also antiviral and I breathe in from the bottle normally if have been somwhere germy, dentist etc this is obviously going to target the lungs. Rubbing on chest and throat if feel coming down with something. Perfect instead of hand sanitisers (which are harmful) put 2-3 drops in a small (10-30ml) glass spray bottle filled with water. small enough to carry out with you. Spray on palms, rub together, sanitising hands. And also can spray, cup hands and breathe in which also gets into lungs then. Or similarly 1 neat drop on palms and breathe in. Oregano oil is sold already diluted in olive oil but is v strong so does not detract from eficacy.
I take Serrapeptase for my Rheumatoid Arthritis (combats inflammation, clears gubbins from blood anything in the body that shouldn't be there) From what I have read the Corona virus targets the lungs and the response of our immune system creates inflammation (which is natural healing response) but leads to the cell walls that should be so thin in order to allow diffusion of oxygen into the blood , leads to them thickening which leads to the eventual lessening of oxygen , this process as far as I understood is a viscious cycle and leads to water in the interstitial space leaking into the cells preventing absorption of oxygen and the shortage of breath mentioned in symptoms to look out for. I received an email from Robert Redfern (Good Health Naturally) stating that the serrapeptase will be effective in helping disolve the inflammatory build up in the lungs. With RA we are at a high risk of heart and lung inflammation and I have noticed taking serrrapeptase that I have a little involuntary cough to clear my throat. I honestly think that this is a sign of serrapeptase clearing any mucus, inflammation from my lungs. I purchase Serrapeptase brand name Seretia from Advanced Supplements .co.uk
Josephine the owner is very helpful and lovely to talk to.
Salt is known as an antimicrobial used forever as a food preservative and disenfectant
And I bought a salt pipe from amazon a few years ago. A small porcelain cup with a spout, containing Himalayan pink salt. (refillable) I suddenly remembered that this maybe an effective thing to use also to prevent the virus taking hold. You Breathe salted air through the spout cleansing the lungs, many people with asthma swear by, like living by the coast with the salted air being seenas beneficial
I agree about taking Serrapeptase and noticed a little wheeze I had was gone after the first bottle I tried a few years ago. We just don't make the enzymes we did when we were young. ....under 40, haha. Biofilm is possibly another target which is becoming a big problem in Lyme.
I also have a salt pipe. It's good to try natural remedies first and can always reach for drugs if necessary. Thanks for adding to this thread.
Hi I used serrapeptase before (COPD and other nasties. I am post stroke by 2 1/2 years).
I was fine for on it for ages but then had an adverse event that frightened me. It happened within a couple of hours of taking SP.
Of course I don't know that it was a result of SP but it put me off. The manufacturer recommended taking with a small bit of food first thing in the morning.
I want to try it again as part of my D3, K3, Mag, curcumin, Q10, Mega Vit 3, taurine, CBD protocol. These are all spaced out properly throughout the day and night to avoid overloading the liver cytochrone P60. I do my research and I am very careful,
The only pharma drugs I take are 100 mcg thyroxine and inhalers, Ventolin, Fostair and Eklira Genuair - not keen but I do so with gritted teeth.
Has anyone any experience of an adverse event with SP?
Do you mind me asking what your adverse event was?
I have taken for years and within months my v swollen wrist (which was like having a very vulnerable lump on the end of my arm that had to be protected at all times) had radically healed. Swelling really diminished and no longer painful. My Fibrinogen blood levels were really high - optimum level should really be in the lower third of normal range or are at risk of heart issues. People with a diagnosis of RA invariably have abnormal high fibrinogen blood levels , so much so that could be diagnostic. Serrapeptase definitely reduced my levels, not healthy range but back just into NHS normal range just. I take Arthur Andrew Medical Seretia first thing on an empty stomach - doesn't have fillers etc
Have you heard of TUDCA? I learned about on the recent mitochondrial summit.
Many of the expert speakers had nothing but praise for TUDKA. Jay Davidson who organised the summit really endorsed and was the first supplement that he gave all his patients. I had never heard of but is a bile acid that supports the liver. Most of the doctors were on the same page and felt flow of lymph and bowels is integral to health and TUDKA ensures this as well as supporting removal of toxins from the brain, stabilizing mitochondria and supporting the heart (reducing the number of damaged cells during a heart attack and stroke) He stated of course you should take as a prevention strategy not just given during an event. I was so impressed that I ordered TUDKA from amazon. I took 1 per day for 3 days (not a full dose) and started emptying my bowels substantially 3-4x perday (usually once) I stopped taking as I continued doing so and felt I might not need anymore. A few weeks later I am back to my old routine and will take again. But during the summit I did feel the take away was that it is beneficial to take daily. But with not having a clinician to work with, I am taking slowly. You could possibly google Jay Davidson ( he obviously feels TUDCA played a crucial part in saving his wife's life) The mitochondrial Summit was aired online through the Health Means site. I noticed that you can purchase his talk (download ) for $1.99 on Health Means, so not breaking the bank, if interested
Jay just had a live session today but I was too late. I bought the transcripts of Mitochondria I was so convinced. You are brave to go right to it. He was saying when he first heard of Tudca he went back to all the research of which there was quite a bit
but it seems there is most in bear droppings but it could be made in the lab. hehe that may be the part that holds me back. Yes, bile flow is so important yet doctors take them out at first sign.
I just missed too. Good for you buying the mitochondrial summit transcripts. I have a red/near infra red light which was interesting to hear recommended as beneficial to mitochondria. And I also thought Ari Wjtten's interview and Jason Prall's was so informative. But essentially Todd Watts and Jay Davidson's. But what capped it all was Nicki Gratrix and 'The Cell Danger Response'
You DID pay attention! It's ALL about the mitochondria, I just hope I can get back to it. My daughter has used some of his products and they were effective.
No problem, I can tell you what I can remember of it but I'll come back tomorrow when I can marshall my thoughts better. Just to say, I'd had great results with it before that, with 'dissolving filler bumps ' on my lower face marionette lines, minor but noticeable and also helping tremendously with rapid and growing bone changes (arthritis the GP said) in the base of my left thumb. I was put onto it after the stroke in 2017. Anyway I'll come back tomorrow and try to describe! Thanks for all that info!!
Thanks Helouise. Interesting. Ive been off work with a virus and have been taking extra vit c dissolved in water. Not every hour though! And yes I feel it has helped me. Thanks! 😊😊
Hi wavey, I'm glad you are better. Were you concerned you had corona? I think the confusion over this is going to be a big problem. The U.S. is making millions of tests for it now.
Thank Helouise. Sadly Im not over it yet it seems to bounce back!! Yes I was concerned especially as I work with children in mutiple settings & my symptoms are like the Coronavirus so hard to know & was worried about infecting others. I did ring 111 who were very helpful and told me to stay at home. Unlikely to have it as havent been abroad or in contact with someone diagnosed with Coronavirus. But they did say if I get worse to ring them immediately. Sent me to a walk in centre to be checked over......(gp surgery impossible to access & I couldnt face battling with the receptionist & they dont get 111 messages as they go to the other section of the practise.....poor I know!)
The two health care workers I saw were very through told me they werent worried by the Coronavirus epidemic because the nhs is well kitted up to cope. Given how other countries health care systems have struggled to cope with the numbers of the seriously ill I was a bit surprised. They told me what I have is viral.....well I knew that but good to know....
Lol, considering how badly Covid-19 has been managed worldwide, I wouldn’t trust any organization that says “we are well equipped to handle this....blah blah blah.” In reality, it seems that no one is. Otherwise, the virus would not have spread this drastically to begin with.
On a more positive note, it should (hopefully) be a less severe issue in a few months’ time when the weather gets warmer in most of the world.
I dunno, they bring up the Spanish Flu in the U.S. that killed thousands. It started in the winter/spring but came back even fiercer in the fall. Stay protected. It was said that the cytokines were what made it deadly.
Viruses are always going to be at their strongest during fall, winter and early spring because the climate and temperatures during those periods allow them to thrive. A lot of doctors predict that Covid-19 will simply become another coronavirus added to the list of presently existing and known ones that will be circulating during the colder months.
Within a few years’ time, people’s immunity systems will have become acquainted with it enough to handle it. Hopefully, by then, a cure will have been discovered 😄.
Especially as so many serious cases in Northern Italy and remaining incredibly infectious and yet Northern Italy has an excellent modern health care system, far better than the NHS or so I have heard reported.
Yes I have stocked up (awaiting in post from US) on more liposomal C; I have the powdered C , capsules like I do every flu /season and indeed all year around. However I only take 4 0 5000mg of C per day; I add to that Echinacea, Elderberry extract, Colloidal silver etc...
Answering a few points in one here..Elderberry is excellent, and better tolerated than cheaper Vit C tablets from chemists. Colloidal Silver sprays really help, although I haven’t used one for a couple of years, so thanks for that reminder. The layer of coating on the throat may be a barrier, too, I guess. Regarding some conjecture that if Vitamin C worked, the health professionals would use/ prescribe it: there have been waves of publicity discrediting Vitamin C since Linus Pauling’s work (1920’s?). I am very cynical about this. It seems to have similar origins to the ‘regulation’ of ‘risky’ homeopathic and naturopathic medicines. Whilst conscious that individuals must make their own choices, there have been allegations which just don’t stand scrutiny. Clearly, pharmaceutical companies prefer us to use products which have been extensively developed. For those who feel there is a ‘conspiracy theory’ at work here, let me give one example. Since the Eighties, I used a Nelson’s product to deal with travel sickness. It always worked. I have travelled on a cross channel ferry which was pitching so badly that lorry drivers were green! And I was fine. A sceptic laughed and said ‘It’s all in your mind!’ And your point is? In this case, I didn’t have sickness or dizziness. Job done. That preparation is no longer available because it was one of many ‘regulated’ and discontinued. However, there are many conditions and illnesses where use of such medicine might, arguably, delay diagnosis and cause a worse prognosis. It is a very personal choice.
I would maintain, though, that the use of Vitamin C, excreted safely if excess is consumed, could never present a high risk in the case of this virus. Because orthodox medicine simply does not have any means of dealing with it.
Acerola cherry extract is powdered vit C that is easy on the tummy. I also take glutathione, which is a hugely powerful immune enhancer.
Luckily, I also have to hand colloidal silver (a friend of mine was advised to inhale this after she was exposed to mould and had been suffering sinus pain for years - worked a treat within a week), oregano oil, golden paste, etc.
I wouldn't trust a vaccine off this government no matter what the circumstances.
Acerola works out expensive to achieve a significant dose such as the 4 grams sometimes recommended (e.g. at least mentioned by Dr Myhill). Using one source:
While I personally take 5g of C every day and have for the last 10+ years, the COVID-19 connection has not been proven. Johns Hopkins: tampabayparenting.com/artic...
My son, a research scientist working in a lab, said that the virus lives for about ten hours on a hard surface and advised me if I do shop to go early before more contamination results from more shoppers .
When I went to Costco the other day (a "big box" store), as I entered, the person who usually just checks your membership card wiped down my cart with sanitary wipes (bleach). I thought that was a nice touch. No such luck in the regular grocery story, though.
Yes I have been taking antibacterial wipes everywhere I go for many years; I shop with Ocado but if in a Garden centre (most likely) I wipe the trolley all around; Would be great if at least they provided their visitors with antibac, wipes...
The World Health Organisation currently says that a few hours is likely but could be longer:
How long does the virus survive on surfaces?
It is not certain how long the virus that causes COVID-19 survives on surfaces, but it seems to behave like other coronaviruses. Studies suggest that coronaviruses (including preliminary information on the COVID-19 virus) may persist on surfaces for a few hours or up to several days. This may vary under different conditions (e.g. type of surface, temperature or humidity of the environment).
If you think a surface may be infected, clean it with simple disinfectant to kill the virus and protect yourself and others. Clean your hands with an alcohol-based hand rub or wash them with soap and water. Avoid touching your eyes, mouth, or nose.
Intravenous vitamin c is working in Chin!. Was reading similar information concerning the use of vitamin c in high doses by a Dr Phil Bate who is Neuroliminal Trainer and orthomolecular psychologist and alternative practitioner in an article on how vitaminc can chelate metals and toxins. Have you heard of him.?The article explains how the vitamin c kills the virus. He recommends taking 4 grams his daily dose. a day but more for chelation. He describes how dosing yourself orally with high doses of vitamin c ascorbic acid is a biochemical enzyme chain reaction with catalase enzyme in the digestive system. This disrupts the virus and stops it in its tracks He says to dose yourself up to the level before you get diahrroea and says zinc calcium and other minerals bid to the vitamin c you have to replace these n your diet. Thank you for updated information .
He refers to cancer research with 1000 control terminal cancer patients and 100
test patients who were given 10 grams of vitamin c a day. Most of these test patients survived a the remission period of five years which seemed to help these patients in Scotland. The other control group pf 1000 patients who did not receive the vitamin C had a higher morbidity rate of 80 - 90 %. This survey did not indicate what sorts of cancers were being test subjects for the vitamin C as some types of caner are hormonal dependant and may not respond to the vitamin C.
Am stepping up the vitamin C as you have recommended it for adrenal support and for the immune support.
Great. Thank you for this Heloise. When there is no Pharmaceutical drugs and horrid vaccines people start looking for the alternative that should be the main resource. Nature. Holistic doctors help, functional/naturopaths, anyway people want to call them.
Recently, I had helped somebody in this group with my opinion and an instructional video of new science to approach desease and this member received it happily. On the other hand, I was criticised receiving hostile comments. I`m commenting on your wise post to agree that it is the ABSOLUTE right thing to do. Vitamin C high doses. Taking it every hour along with a natural source of Zinc (between 50-80 grams a day)
A very good source of vitamin C is SUFFICIENT C. Each scoop has 4grams besides other exellent ingredients like Lysene, green tea extract, Bromelain.
I will try to listen to this today. I'm never discouraged by those who will not hear or feel threatened by an innocent supplement. Certainly no reason to be inflamed. Thank you for posting!
Thanks Monica. I find I cant tolerate that high a level of vit C. Currently managing 1000mg twice per day and thats at a push. However I feel it is helping me. The link looks really interesting -will have a listen tomorrw.
So glad to hear you`ll listen to it. It talks about other important issues that will impact you as well. You can try this Sufficient C. It is 2 grams per scoop, 4 grams per serving (2 scoops) I don`t know if you can get it in you country, but It won`t give you diarrhea. In average one can tolerate up to 24 grams a day until it starts. The important thing is to have it throughout the day.
I agree with what you have said, but have also been warned that for women too much long term vitamin C can push out calcium. A glass of organic milk at each meal could help (pasturized but not homogenized). Raw garlic at each meal is also a known killer of virus.
Fresh chili also helps to keep the 'damp' from settling on your lungs.
If the vitamin c works well, you shouldn't have to do it long term especially if it causes many loose stools. We always need to have the sense to use our common sense
Maura you are totally right about the raw garlic. Watch the lecture of vitamin C that I recommended above. Vitamin C won`t take your Calcium away. Milk is so acidic and inflammatory besides promoting phlegm in your respiratory ways that is not worth to rely on it as a main source. Try. soaked chia seeds, freshly ground flax seeds and raw or stemmed brocoli.
I heard about the vitamin "C" being very essential and a great ammunition to fight viruses .
Thank You Heloise for sharing this Very Important and Valuable Information. I would just caution that with high doses of vitamin "C" lots of drinking water is needed as to not cause kidney stones.
Yes, don't wait to be thirsty! I wish I could post that interview with Dr. Levy, really need it now. I hope you are taking precautions; it's getting close, isn't it? We have four cases which seems to be holding.
I go along with this 100%, having learned about Vit C from FB (private) Orthomolecular Vit C group.
I started last year, got lazy, started up again now, me and my dogs with a view to try my best to keep us alive as I'm not sure that anyone else will, me being in the 'dosposable' bracket.
Not being a Jonah, just being realistic.
I reckon if Nobel Prize winner Dr Linus Pauling got it right, I'd follow him. Best of health to all!
Ha ha I rather feel the same! Thank you, I'll do my best to stick around, I have isolated us so depend even more on the interweb to find out what's going on out there irl. Love to all!
Another new documentary series starts tomorrow - Healing Secrets of the Oral Biome, from Pedram Shojai. If it is an good as Interconnected, we should learn a lot.
Well, I’ve had my head in the sand about the corona virus, until I decided to read this post, and the wheels got to turning so I decided to see if there were cases reported around me and there are 3 confirmed cases of novel corona virus in Collin County Texas, while I’m not in Collin County, I’m in the area and I’m thinking, what in the world do I do now?!!😳😳😳
Stay six feet away from any strange person. Wait, do that anyway Seriously I know how you feel but don't panic. I do wonder if establishments are going to have certain rules about who comes in.
So now it makes me want to go in prepping mode, I guess I’d have to go shopping in the middle of the night or early morning hours in order to stay away from crowds unless that’s what everyone else is doing!!! I’m way out in the country, so my local discount store is always a crowded zoo!!!
Amazon can send almost anything now. It might be worth joining if you haven't to get free delivery. And you can watch movies, too. Since you'll be staying home......
Suzy Cohen wrote a very informative article about natural things to take for Coronavirus. Resveratrol, celery seed, coq10 off the top of my head, anyway definitely worth a read.
Thank goodness Google will finish spelling some of those long names. I've been juicing celery lately but all I saw looking up angiotensin was regarding hypertension but lowering BP might be good in this case.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts and info with us, I have been taking vit c in pill form but this article made me realise for sure vitamin c cyrstals are the way forward, I take more than vitamin c and I am at home most days atm but that is just me. If anyone wants to share what brand of supplements they take that be great, take care guys stay safe.
You're welcome, kalel, sharing info like this is very helpful I hope. If you scan some of the responses people did make recommendations of supplements. We just had a series about supplements and find there are some not so desirable ones. Look for third party certification on the brand's label which means the party says what is said is in the supplement actually is in the supplement. Be well.
Hey my sis can get supplements at a discount so I must admit I always trust her to get ones but I am going to check up on things from now on. You be well as well , not sure if anyone is taking eldberry juice or any extra supplements but I would say take as much as you feel you need to, I know Pukka makes good supplements, you be well too, take good care.
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