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Finally took the plunge and started a self-trial of Levothryoxine (after 12 months procrastination)

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Some of you will remember my whining posts, trying to evaluate if my symptoms are attributable to hypothyroidism or not. I've had many thyroid blood tests over the last 24 months, including several "full panels" conducted privately. All of the data I have (the most pertinent being: symptoms burdon, evelated but in-range TSH, low in range FT4 and elevated TG Antibodies) has told a story for quite some time now. My symptoms really became most noticible in autumn/winter 2018 when I started to notice for the first time in my life extreme cold intolerance, terrible persistent constipation, and after increasing frequency of pre-syncope and eventual full syncope episodes, an A&E visit led to Cardiology giving me a full workup re. extreme bradycardia and low blood pressure. What led up to all of this was being treated by Psychiatry for 7 months with lithium carbonate, as a mood stabiliser for bipolar disorder. All of my physical symptoms just worsened while on lithium, albeit my mental health was improved. After Cardiology removed my lithium, because they suspected it was contributing to my low heart rate (turns out it wasn't directly, at least not as in "lithium induced bradycardia"), my symptoms did not improve. I've been suffering with the effects of this low heart rate and blood pressure for over 12 months now. I've had "every test under the sun" as most doctors comment, yet they still find no cause. I've been told countless times by the NHS that my "thyroid function is fine", even though I have private tests which confirm autoimmune thyroid disease. I've given up asking NHS GP's at this point, because they just treat me as a hypochondriac and push me aside. They have actively refused to trial me on levothyroxine because my TSH results are "in range". They do not consider my symptom burdon not my quality of life it appears.

Anyway, the purpose of this post was to say that I have, after a huge amount of deliberation and research, decided to self-trial levothyroxine to see if anything improves. I started on an initial dose of 50 mcg 10 days ago and can honestly say that I have already (after about 7 days) noticed a significant improvement in my cold intolerance symptoms. I am no longer having to wear 7 layers on my top half just to be able to tolerate going outside in a British December! I have been wearing gloves, often even indoors, since late September, because my hands (and feet) have been getting so cold. It's been unbearable most of the time, and very painful. It's clearly not normal to feel like this, but doctors just tell me to put up and shut up because they can't find a cause. But now I am already feeling the benefit from the thyroxine and have been outside walking and cycling in very cold and inclement weather, with what I would consider to be a "normal" number of layers on! No need for gloves and hat!!

My plan is to continue to monitor my resting heart rate and BP, basal temperature, symptoms and test bloods in 6 weeks. I'm very hopeful that in time I will also see an improvement in constipation symptoms which will mean I won't need to rely on Laxido twice a day any more. Hopefully I will also see some modest increase in my resting heart rate and BP, so thst I don't feel like I'm going to pass out *every time* I stand up (my current resting heart rate is typically 36-40 bpm). My bradycardia related symptoms have been so bad again that my psychiatrist has been suggesting I need to restart discussions with my GP about a pacemaker again... to me it seems like utter madness that I feel like I've been left to rot, swept aside, unheard- and perhaps all along, as I have strongly suspected, it's been autoimmune thyroid disease all along. And why not fix the root cause of the issue, rather than going in all guns blazing? I can't understand the "do no harm" mantra of our doctors in cases like this, because I've been subjected to so many invasive tests and threatened with a pacemaker, perhaps in time they will prove to be unnecessary.

I'm well read, informed, careful and considerate when it comes to my health care. I'm really not happy that I've had to resort to self prescribing levothyroxine, however in light of all of my long term data, I consider it to be a safe and well considered trial- essentially no different to a considerate GP agreeing to trial levothyroxine on me to see if my symptoms burdon improves! Assuming that I gain all of the benefits and encounter no associated problems, this still doesn't get me out of the woods. I have no idea how to strike up a discussion with a GP to explain my course of action, but of course I should be entitled to a proper diagnosis (on file), for my doctors to be aware and considerate of my apparently genuine condition and for the meciation to be NHS prescribed. If anyone has any tips here, they will be great fully received!

I will continue to move forwards with slow and careful consideration. I intent to remain of 50 mcg levothyroxine for 6 weeks and will then order an appropriate full panel blood test to assess progress, before making any adjustments.

I find it particularly maddening that the NHS won't consider a diagnosis based on presence of elevated TG Antibodies (which I have, along with symptoms and previously elevated TSH), but that they only consider TPO Antibodies as diagnostic when it comes to autoimmune thyroid disease.

Thanks for hearing me out and I look forward to any feedback.

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Hi. Can I ask where you have sourced the medication from as I’m considering this? Thanks

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tomranson85 in reply to Vespa10

Yep, I know the rules. I'll PM you.

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Hello can you pm me 2 regarding sourcing Levo please

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tomranson85 in reply to Burtandmotor

Done :)

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DoeStewart in reply to tomranson85

Hi - I totally understand why you have taken matters into your own hands and I hope you continue to have better health. The conversation with your GP is another matter and I am sure one of the administrators will come along with guidance for that. I already take Levothyroxine from my GP - 100mg - as have had 7/8ths gland removed but am kept under medicated as only dosed by TSH and T4/T3 not considered. I wonder if you could DM me your Levo source to enable me to top my medication up?. Please let us know how you are doing and fingers crossed you will recover. Take care of yourself

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tomranson85 in reply to DoeStewart

Hey, many thanks :) I've sent you a message.

Hi, could you please PM me too re. sourcing Levo? Thanks:)

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Done :)

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Can't believe how much better I feel after only 2 weeks on 50 mcg Levo. My resting heart rate and BP also appear to have increased slightly but measurably; HR up to 47 from range 36-40, BP up from 90/55 to 110/80. Will be interesting to see how the trend progress (obviously I don't want BP going "high"!). I'm also trending my temperature; that's hanging around 36.4 C. Previously, at my worst, it was averaging around 35.3 C.

It'll be really interesting to see what some repeat private bloods show in 4 or so weeks time. I fully intend to do a repeat Medichecks TSH, FT4, FT3, TPO Ab, TG Ab, B12, Folate, Ferritin and D3, because I have a good previous baseline of those tests from 8 months ago. I have history (I'm convinced related to long term poor thyroid function) of low D3, Folate, Iron stores and B12 (although am now on long term B12 injections). No doubt I am a poor absorber and with poor metabolism as a result of the thyroid issue.

I am currently taking 400 IU D3 daily as maintenance (albeit in a multivitamin... Yes, yes, I know they are a bad solution to the problem...), after self prescribing a loading course of 50,000 IU weekly for 8 weeks earlier this year (as I was so low). That loading course got me up to 93 nmol/L. Will be very interesting to see how it's holding up with the 400 IU in the multivit.

I'm on regular (every 1 to 2 weeks) B12 injections as Hydroxycobalamin 1000 mg; I self administer these. I'm trying to find the lowest possible injection frequency that I can tolerate. Hopefully in time, with improved thyroid function, I might find I naturally absorb B12 better from normal dietary sources, as to my my knowledge I do not have true Pernicious Anaemia (negative IF Ab test, however positive Paretial Cell Ab test, so its contentious)?

Also getting 400 mg of Folic Acid daily from the multivit. Again, yes I know multis are a bad solution, however I do appear to absorb it (blood tests confirm). Folic acid doesn't appear to negatively affect me either. From experimentation, know that I don't tolerate Methylfolate well, and I can't afford to keep buying Folinic Acid (which also worked well for me). So I should probably consider it a happy accident that good old bargain-basement folic acid gels well with me.

I'm currently not taking any maintenance iron supplement, however I was on prescribed Ferrous Fumarate (2x 322 mg daily) for 5 months earlier in the year as my Ferritin fell from (only) 90 to 40 after starting B12 injections. Said prescription pushed my ferritin back up to 100, so will be very interesting to see if that has maintained (or, more likely, fallen again) since stopping it. Again, similar to Vit D, I wonder with improved thyroid function if I will naturally become a better absorber of nutrients inc. Iron in time?

TL;DR: I plan to privately re-test full thyroid panel and key nutrients/vitamins in about 4 weeks, which will mean I've been on Levothryoxine 50 mcg for 6 weeks by that point. I expect, based on mathematical prediction (considering my lean body mass) that my Levo dose will need to be increased at that point. I will either step up to 75 or 100 mcg depending upon how I feel, symptoms and supported by the latest blood results. The maths project that I will eventually need to be on 90-180 mcg Levothyroxine based on lean body mass.

How do I even bring this up with my GP to try and get an NHS diagnosis and NHS prescribed treatment?

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I am about to start the same journey with very similar symptoms and deficiencies. My concern is also after 6 weeks on Levo if it makes a positive difference how do I have that conversation with my GP? He was more amenable to the B12 issue. He feels that if I self fund injections, if they reduce my symptoms he will fund future injections through the NHS. He has referred to an Endo but advised me that with my blood results it is unlikely the Endo will prescribe. I currently have a heart monitor implanted for the same issues that you cite and am on horrid meds to increase my BP so I am going to need some NHS input once on the Levo to reduce and stop my BP meds. Any advice anyone? Thanks

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