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Concern about Blue Horizon test for thyroid 3

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My last blood test 4th April with Blue Horizon used a new lab

The range posted to me with result we TSH 0.35-4.94

FREE T 4. 9.01-19.051

FreeT3. 1.88-3.18

This put my T3 over range .Most unusual for me . As a result I lowered my hormone T3 only to become symptomatic.

I again scrutinised the range and was concerned about the T3 one.

I asked Blue Horizon on Monday about this and whilst I have emailed again I have had no answer .

My GP , I am one of the lucky ones, is now doing it again.

I am concerned if anyone else were to be misled by what seems to me to be incorrect !

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SeasideSusie profile image
SeasideSusieRemembering

Someone else posted results with these ranges the other day, I didn't realise they were from Blue Horizon. The FT3 range is very narrow compared with what it used to be - 3.1-6.8. Most FT3 ranges seem to have at least points between bottom and top of range, even my GP surgery's is 3.5-6.5.

If you've still had no reply to your email, they have a freephone number - 0800 999 1110 - or they have live chat on their website.

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Gcart in reply toSeasideSusie

Hi Susie , Yes. I saw posted just recently TSH 0.27-4.2

T4. 9-19

T3. 2.9-4.9 !!!!!

If you compare mine with those there is a significant difference!

My T3 of 4.67 would have been where I usually see it.

I have phoned Blue Horizon and emailed 2 times. I do not yet have an answer to this unusual range for T3

Either this lab is wrong or the T3 is being lowered, putting everyone in range or over. This would probably show no need to supplement T3.

Sorry , but I see a plot to prove no one needs T3 .

Call me clinical 🤔 .

On the phone to Blue Horizon I found a very slick gentlemen who assured me the lab couldn’t be wrong

Just wanted to warn others before sending good money there.!

in reply toGcart

It wouldn’t be very good for their business to prove no one needs T3. Surely thyroid patients and this forum generate a lot of income for private blood testing companies.

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Gcart in reply to

I think you need to read through all the posts on this subject

in reply toGcart

Ok maybe I am missing something??!!

in reply toGcart

I thought there was a mutually beneficial relationship with Thyroid Uk, or is that Medichecks?

RedApple profile image
RedAppleAdministrator in reply to

Purplebrain, that doesn't have any relevance to the issue being discussed in this thread.

Gcart profile image
Gcart in reply toRedApple

Thank you. I am grateful for back up

in reply toRedApple

Ok I as I said I am missing something perhaps. Labs can make their own reference ranges based on their population or various other factors. I didn’t understand a plot that would negatively affect their income and by the link with Thyroid UK I meant sympathy towards thyroid patient needs.

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RedAppleAdministrator in reply to

There is no 'plot' here, and this is not about a lab making their own reference ranges.

helvella profile image
helvellaAdministrator in reply toRedApple

Absolutely, RedApple. Looks to me a cast iron case of lab using manufacturer's default range. Unfortunately, also using manufacturer's default units!

Gcart profile image
Gcart in reply tohelvella

Thank you for support, Helvella and red apple , can’t deal with any challenge . Feel bad enough without that.

in reply toGcart

Sorry I didn’t mean to challenge you, I didn’t mean it like that.

in reply toRedApple

?????

in reply toRedApple

I meant define... rather than make.

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Gcart in reply toSeasideSusie

Cynical not clinical 😳😆

helvella profile image
helvellaAdministrator

Did they print any units against the Free T3 results?

My current best guess is that they have reported the reference range in picograms per millilitre (pg/mL) - not the usual (for most of the world outside the USA) picomoles per litre (pmol/L) - or nanomoles per millilitre. But your result in pmol/L.

I offer two random links to what is numerically the same range - both showing pg/ml:

fT3 = 1.9 pg/ml (1.88 - 3.18) = 2.92 pmol/l (2.88 - 4.88)

forums.phoenixrising.me/thr...

fT3 was 2,240 pg/ml (1,88 - 3,18)

reddit.com/r/Hashimotos/com...

I used a free online units calculator to convert the range (1.88 to 3.18) into pmol/L, assuming it was in pg/ml. It came out as 2.8879 to 4.8848 - a very much more normal "normal" range.

unitslab.com/node/120

If my guess turns out right and the lab did this, it is a serious mistake. The fact that BH have said "the lab couldn’t be wrong" compounds the issue - I suspect an awful lot of medics would also assume that. (Few will have typical FT3 reference ranges at the forefront of their memory.) Hence, rather than being sceptical and believing their clinical judgement, they fall for the mistake hook, line and sinker. With the likely end result of mis-diagnosis, mis-treatment and patient harm.

SeasideSusie

BlueHorizonMedicals

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Gcart in reply tohelvella

Hi, this is the ranges on my results from BH sample 4/419

TSH. ulU/mL. 0.35-4.94

FreeT4. pmol/L. 9.01-19.051

FreeT3. pmol/L. 1.88-3.18

Put my T3 over range at 4.87!

I reduced my T3 from 10 mcg and it wasn’t until I became symptomatic a week or so later that I scrutinised the range and thought there had been a mistake.

BH are not responding to me!

Since then my GP. Has tested and I am now Low in range .

I feel people need to be warned of this .

helvella profile image
helvellaAdministrator in reply toGcart

I have been in contact with BH using their live chat. No further forward but I have also emailed.

At this moment, I would consider returning to your pre-return of symptoms dose.

However, it is something that we REALLY need BH to resolve and try hard not to make any assumptions.

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Gcart in reply tohelvella

Thank goodness someone is listening to me and my concerns about this. Thank you

helvella profile image
helvellaAdministrator in reply toGcart

I have received a response from Paul at Blue Horizon - he has been made aware and appears to have contacted the lab. Hopefully the lab will respond quickly but clearly Paul cannot give an informed reply until then.

SeasideSusie

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SeasideSusieRemembering in reply tohelvella

Excellent. Looking forward to hearing what they say.

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Gcart in reply tohelvella

Just add that is was the London Medical Laboratory that was used by BH .

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helvellaAdministrator in reply toGcart

Have emailed them as well.

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SeasideSusieRemembering in reply toGcart

That must be a recent addition to the labs they have used before. When I first used them a few years ago my samples were sent to County Pathology. For the last couple of years it's been The Doctor's Laboratory. My last test with them was November 2018 and it was The Doctor's Laboratory then.

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Trufflebuggy

Also most labs would contact doctors and/or put on a comment on report when such changes in ref ranges occur, as they could be down to changes in methodology. Very curious such a shift in range, ask them if the lab is accredited by iso 15189, and if not ask them why they are not sending specimens to an accredited lab.

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Trufflebuggy in reply toTrufflebuggy

Sorry missed the bit about it being a new lab... so possibly different methodology coming into play, but I’d definitely push the ISO 15189 question

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helvellaAdministrator in reply toTrufflebuggy

London Medical Laboratory is registered with and regulated by the Care Quality Commission. Certificate number: CRT1-4708702735

But cannot find them on ukas.com/list-all-organisat...

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Trufflebuggy in reply tohelvella

I couldn’t see them either, most nhs and private labs have ISO15189, I’m surprised that specimens which people are paying privately for are going to unaccredited labs I personally would want mine to go to an accredited lab... I can personally say the ISO standards are rigorously applied and yearly surveillance visits involve being toasted and grilled for hours to prove your worth.

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helvellaAdministrator in reply toTrufflebuggy

Dalton Henry Shears is responsible (according to CQC registration). An accountant.

cqc.org.uk/provider/1-40358...

And a business director. Used to have a medical doctor - for 11 days in 2016. About a year before they were even registered with the CQC.

beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/...

Not yet inspected by CQC.

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Trufflebuggy in reply tohelvella

It’s a shame that BH has moved away from an accredited lab, it just potentially fuels the fire that all labs produce dodgy results...

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helvellaAdministrator

REPLY!!!

Dear <helvella>,

Many thanks for bringing this to our attention. We sincerely apologise for the confusion caused and trust the patient has not been too seriously impacted.

You are right that the reference range sent on the report is the US standard reference range which is for pg/ml. The reference range if measured in pg/ml is 1.88 - 3.18 which is not correct if measured in pmol/L as is the standard in the UK. Our analyser is an Abbott Architect which defaulted unexpectedly to the US settings.

The correct reference range should have been reported as (and is in fact) 3.1 - 6.8 pmol/L.

This has been rectified immediately.

Please do let us know if there is anything else we can do to help in this situation. We would be very happy to perform any follow-up testing you may require related to this mistake free of charge.

Once again we offer our sincerest apologies for the error and very much appreciate you bringing it to our immediate attention.

With kind regards,

Flavia

Flavia Araujo-Rankin | Founder CEO

SeasideSusie

Trufflebuggy

Gcart

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Trufflebuggy in reply tohelvella

Ask them for a full non conformance report, with their root cause, corrective and preventative actions so that everyone can be assured of their quality in the future... 😋

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Trufflebuggy in reply toTrufflebuggy

I’m not totally convinced by their reasoning to be honest, if a test is set to a certain unit the result will be reported in that unit by that analyser. However in this case it would appear that the result was correct but reported against the wrong unit reference range hence making it look really high. Something has gone wrong between the analyser and the reporting computer software in my opinion.

helvella profile image
helvellaAdministrator in reply toTrufflebuggy

Just been discussing that (at home!) - without knowing the exact details, what you have said is where I ended up as well.

If the analyser is set to a unit, you would expect the result and range to be in the same units.

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Gcart in reply tohelvella

Thank you so much , I hop e no one has been as affected as I have .

Today has been very difficult, causing a lot of stress , I wanted to warn others of this problem. Who knows how many have been affected without realising where fault lies .

Who would question any results through a trusted? company. Blue Horizon .

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Gcart in reply toGcart

Please can this be fully exposed on this forum as a warning to others. Thank you.

helvella profile image
helvellaAdministrator in reply toGcart

Your concern for others is much appreciated. Follow up of any who have received results with that range is, obviously, very important.

Just so wish I had latched onto what was happening much earlier.

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SeasideSusieRemembering in reply tohelvella

Thanks helvella

I wonder how long this would have gone on for if you hadn't contacted them. This is the second time I've seen this range used when a member has posted BH results, there may be others though, and not everyone posts their results.

Also, thanks Gcart for making this post.

helvella profile image
helvellaAdministrator in reply toSeasideSusie

Have posted an alert post about this.

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Gcart in reply tohelvella

That was me and yes I was affected by it.

I lowered my dose for one month and was symptomatic.

I have yet to recover having been to my GP and retested after noticing the reference range was wrong.

It’s easy for them to say it was a mistake but I paid good money for that test and paid the price for their error

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RedAppleAdministrator in reply toGcart

You sound really upset by this and quite rightly so, I would be too. They have offered free repeat testing, but if I were you I wouldn't be happy to use that lab again. Maybe contact BH and ask for a refund? Doesn't make up for the suffering you've had to deal with, but better than nothing at all?

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply toGcart

I would write to them strongly requesting a FULL REFUND and COMPENSATION

Not only was the range incorrect, no one answered your questions, or replied to emails

If helvella hadn't pursued this no one would be any the wiser

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Trufflebuggy in reply toGcart

Sorry this happened, in general we (biomedical scientists) don’t look to cause harm and put checks (validation plans) in place whenever we make changes to ensure mistakes don’t happen. By the way I don’t have any association to the above lab. Hope you get back on track soon.

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Trufflebuggy

They upgraded their LIMS system in October! The LIMS communicates between the analysers and the computers I wonder if they fully validated the system to ensure everything matched up etc....

helvella profile image
helvellaAdministrator

I have received a response from Paul at Blue Horizon:

Hi <helvella>,

I managed to get hold of the Laboratory, and I believe that they have found the error, we have been copied into their reply to you also.

Further to their offer of free repeat testing for those affected, we can facilitate that through our website. All customers that have been affected by this will be contacted. I'll liaise with London Medical Laboratory directly to find those affected.

Best wishes,

Paul Harris.

Blue Horizon Medicals.

Gcart SeasideSusie Trufflebuggy RedApple

Following up those who might have been affected is, I feel, entirely appropriate and necessary.

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RedAppleAdministrator in reply tohelvella

Hopefully a good outcome thanks to you helvella Such a shame that Gcart was not taken seriously in the first place though. It should not need the involvement of an admin of a health forum to sort this out. :x

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SeasideSusieRemembering in reply tohelvella

This really is a serious issue. Free repeat testing - surely not enough considering what Gcart says

I lowered my dose for one month and was symptomatic. I have yet to recover ........... paid the price for their error

Not the same but I remember when I was tweaking doses to find the right balance of Levo and T3, I reduced my Levo (just by 25mcg) which made my FT4 level plummet and after reinstating the original dose it took me just over a year to get back to where I was before. Hopefully Gcart recovers quickly.

Hi Gcart,

Sorry to hear of your experience. Although I think that the reference range error has been fixed by London Medical Laboratory now, we are going to stop using this Laboratory whilst we fully investigate.

Can you please email me at paul.harris@bluehorizonmedicals.co.uk where I will be able to address the error in full. Please also accept my apologies for the apparent lack of communication from Blue Horizon to address your concerns.

We will also be contacting everybody that has been affected, reissuing the original results with the correct units and reference ranges, as well as offering those affected free repeat testing.

Paul Harris.

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