Black cumin for hypothyroidism and Hashi's?

[auraelya]

Hi everybody! I have just found this:

naturalendocrinesolutions.c...

[greygoose]

Black cumin has been discussed many times on here.

healthunlocked.com/search/p...

I don't remember seeing anyone that said it actually helped with anything.

I would never even read an article that talks about 'reversing' Hashi's 'naturally'. My belief is that most of these people are snake-oil salesmen and the rest delusional. Both Hashi's and Grave's can go into remission, and so many people then believe they've 'cured' it. But they haven't. Eventually the disease will resume its course.

As for this chap, I hope his knowledge of thyroid is better than his grammar. But, I doubt it. Claiming that black cumin decreased TSH, then going on to say that it also raised T3, is putting the cart before the horse. One imagines that the TSH reduced because the T3 rose. Reducing TSH without raising thyroid hormones is a bit pointless, really. But, the rise in T3 could just be due to the Hashi's, anyway.

As for reducing antibodies, all I can say is: why? What is this obsession with reducing antibodies? You'll still have Hashi's. Even if you got rid of every single antibody, you would still have Hashi's, because the antibodies are not the disease.

So, I didn't even finish reading the article.

[auraelya in reply to greygoose]

Yes, you're right. When we say "thyroid" we think about hormones, while neither black or red, whatever, cumin, is about that.

[Hidden in reply to greygoose]

I guess the implication is that if you manage to reduce the antibodies then by definition you’ve slowed the damage. (Nothing to do damage = no need for antibodies?)

[greygoose in reply to Hidden]

Possibly. But, implications like that shouldn't be made because they give people the wrong idea. It's not even necessarily true, anyway.

[Hidden in reply to greygoose]

I am yet to be convinced. Mine were ‘very quiet’ at a time when I was extremely unwell.

[greygoose in reply to Hidden]

I'm sorry, I'm not sure what you're saying, there.

[Hidden in reply to greygoose]

Yes it was a bit vague. I’m not convinced the antibodies relate to symptoms. Mine have been very high and ‘quiet’ and it seems unrelated to how I feel. I’m sure though that at this stage it’s all irrelevant - my thyroid is already toast.

[greygoose in reply to Hidden]

Funnily enough, I've just replied to another post on much the same thing.

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

My response is very much speculation, based on what I've read and joining up the dots. I don't think anything is known for certain.

[Hidden in reply to greygoose]

I don’t think much research is done so I think we may be speculating for some time

[greygoose in reply to Hidden]

Exactly!

[Hidden in reply to greygoose]

I also think my tsh isn’t always a good indicator either.

[greygoose in reply to Hidden]

It certainly isn't. And should never be used for dosing.

[Tina_Maria in reply to greygoose]

I couldn’t agree more with you, greygoose! But that’s unfortunately not a rarity these days - there are hundreds of websites and self proclaimed health gurus stating if you want to ‘cure’ yourself, avoiding these foods or taking these supplements is an absolute must and it will help you. Some even take a grain of science and turn it into science fiction to serve their cause.

I was recently looking at the amy myers website and the auther of course stated that you have to be absolutely gluten free and dairy free, if you have hashimotos (no scientific references provided as to why!). She also was writing about the menopause in another section and guess what, if you are entering the menopause you should go gluten and dairy free as this will help your hormones!?! Really??? Come on!! I just can’t take these people seriously coming out with hideous statements like that.

[greygoose in reply to Tina_Maria]

I do find that a bit far-fetched, I agree. Gluten-free can and does help people that are sensitive to gluten - or something else that usually goes with the gluten. But, I don't think enough research has been done into the subject to make claims like that - as with so many things. I did try gluten-free, because I'll try most things once, but, it didn't make me feel any better or get rid of any of my symptoms. So, I started eating it again, and didn't feel any worse. I also tried dairy free, sugar-free, nightshade-free, grain-free, with the same results - or lack of results. So, I gave up, and - to be honest - the only thing I'll deliberately avoid now is soy. That really, really makes me feel bad, even just the tiniest drop of soy sauce.

So, I think we have to experiment to find these things out for ourselves - what agrees with us, and what doesn't. And it's when the 'experts' adopt that attitude that I find them believable. Because we're all different and there should be no blanket bans on anything. Just explain to people the ins and the outs and let them make their own choices.

And, for the record, I have tried black cumin. But didn't notice any improvement in anything, I'm afraid.

[auraelya]

I don't know but I found this

quora.com/What-is-black-cum...

[Treepie]

Look up Black Gold Health Products ,a Bradford company for information about their offerings.

[fortunata]

I’ve been taking black cumin seed oil for ages and my thyroid antibodies haven’t lowered.