Hello all. As so many of us I have low stomach acid and want to do something about it. I would like to know what your experiences are with trying to solve the problem, e.g. Taking Betaine HCL or Apple Cider Vinegar. I am interested in effectiveness, which doses you used and which side effects you might have noticed. Thanks in advance.
Low stomach acid: Hello all. As so many of us I... - Thyroid UK
I, personally, could not take Betaine HCL and I believe there is a warning on some products against taking them if you have gastritis. Instead, I found taking daily organic sauerkraut and a good probiotic resolved my own digestive symptoms.
Low stomach acid/gastric atrophy (more likely if you have Hashimoto's and over the age of 60) eventually results in damage to the intrinsic factor, which means vital vitamin B12 (as well as other essential nutrients) is unable to be absorbed. This leads on to serious B12deficiency/Pernicious Anaemia and the risk of neurological damage if left untreated.
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I've found that Slippery Elm capsules (2 capsules, 3 times daily) have made a massive difference along with Dr Shade's Bitters (1 squirt on lunch and 2 squirts on dinner). Also have a hiatal hernia and refused PPI's.
Didn't get on with Betaine and ACV only helped a little bit.
I tried HCL Betain with Pepsin but found it too strong for me. Organic Apple Cider Vinegar worked immediately. If I took it before a meal it prevented reflux. If I get reflux now I take a tablespoonful with a glass of water and it stops it immediately. I now take it when I travel as eating a different diet can set off indigestion and reflux.
Even if it doesnt' work for acid reflux it shouldn't cause a problem as you can use it on salads and in cooking or as a dressing and many people use similar products such as balsamic vinegar on food on a regular basis.
Now I've gone onto a low carb high (good) fats diet I find I don't need it very often.
I use Betaine w/ Pepsin with meals with protein. Helps me feel less full. No ill effects. Not under a doctor's supervision for this. If you feel any burning (I didn't), cut back on the number of pills by one to find your best dose. Also, take with a glass of water (not a sip) & halfway or at the end of your meal to ease any discomfort. I tried ACV & couldn't stand the taste.
I like a pinch of ascorbic acid (vitamin C) powder in the water I drink with my thyroid hormones. You could also try eating citrus fruit before you eat. I'm convinced increased stomach acid from eating a grapefruit before meals is effective due to the increased acidity, plus they're good for folate & natural vitamin C.
Apple cider vinegar works best for me. Take it before a meal. HCL tabs did not suit me. It's really funny with doctors how little they understand acid problems, usually starting out with wrong diagnosis of too much acid ( since symptoms very similar) and then they give you antacid pills which worsen the situation. The docs should really know that low acid is a common problem in AI.
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I am always bemused at why people think ACV increases stomach acid. It is more alkali than stomach acid so would make it less acidic, not more. That's not to say it doesn't have benefits - it is a prebiotic for starters, so it can help you absorb nutrients. This is a fairly well balanced article which explains some of the ins, and outs.
I had acid reflux, but not as bad as many members do. I tried a few different combinations of my system, sometimes cheating. But finally settled on doing it this way every single day and have no more reflux:
ACV with water before every meal. Only about a tsp.
A digestive enzyme tablet with my final meal (usually a snack before bed at 10-ish).
Slippery elm lozenge optional if I have any problems once in bed (acid reflux tends to really kick off once I'm horizontal)
I take it in a very small glass of water. I find it easier to just down it quickly. Full in a bad way? You may need to build up to it if it seems too uncomfortable. I think I started with just a glass at breakfast. And I gave up at one time because I felt the acid was getting worse. I only got to what I'm doing now by trying a few different ways.
I have been asking similar questions, I have been prescribed Lansoprazole to reduce stomach acid, I don't have classic reflux symptoms but have pain at centre, top of stomach, many members have asked about this as they gave pain too. Some have refief by going gluten free. I have since been diagnosed with Hashimotos Thyroiditis but not on thyroid meds as yet. I have tried having ACV every evening in water but having a lot of pain and discomfort in my stomach. I am under a Gastro Dr and asked him yesterday about Hashi be linked to low stomach acid so why was I on meds to lower it further, he said we don't actually need a great deal of stomach acid nowadays as it was necessary in times of bad diet, food quality and bugs hence the acid killed off the bacteria, nowadays with healthy clean living and food safety standards high stomach acid is more problematic for most people. I reduced the Lansoprazole then stopped taking it, I then had severe stomach pain so back on the Lansoprazole. I don't know if it's a rebound effect but as I have pain I am reluctant to use ACV at the moment. I also asked the Gastro Dr if going gluten free will help reduce thyroid antibodies, I was told there is no evidence to support this theory. Really don't know what's best
Taking Lansoprazole with ACV will be pushing and pulling at the same time I think - one is trying to reduce the acid and the other trying to increase it.
I don't know much about it, but these PPIs are seen very negatively by the forum, and can lead to lots of other unpleasant effects.
If you're struggling to come off then, you could try some of the stronger treatments suggested in this thread for relief. The most powerful thing I've tried is digestive enzymes - these do part of your stomach's job of breaking the food down. There are a few other stronger treatments suggested higher up the thread.
I think coming off PPIs can be a hard job, but worth it. There is lots of advice in past threads that you can hopefully find using search.
Hi thanks for the reply, I ceased Lansoprazole 10 days ago and had the ACV but the pain and discomfort was too much to bear so had to start them again, after three days and 30mg X 2 daily the pain has gone still some discomfort I tried to discuss with Gastro Dr as I was put on them before Hashimotos diagnosis, dr didn't seem interested in the theory of Hashi causing lie stomach acid all he said we don't need much stomach acid, I am wondering if I suffered cold turkey as I may have come off them too quick hence the pain, not sure how you reduce them without symptoms raging though.
Yea, I imagine you need to wean off then very very slowly. If you're on 30mg x 2 I'd try to reduce by 10 or 15mg per day, or something similar you can get to with the tablet size you've got - get a pill cutter or razorblade. Then if you don't have a reaction cut down the same again a week or two later, and carry on. Keep experimenting to find out what you can do. Although this is just generic advice for reducing. There may be more specific advice about PPIs on the forum.