Fermented Soy can we eat it?

[laraline]

Hi everyone I am giving up diary because I am really suffering with gut issues. Please can you clever people out there clarify if we can eat diary free yoghurts made with fermented soy? I am really confused about what soya products we can eat with an underactive thyroid?

[bluebug]

Few points -

1. Replacement dairy products are filled with loads of sugar and odd fillers.

2. They can cause gut problems if not treated like a "treat". In other words eaten once in a blue moon.

3. Even if you are healthy lots of soya isn't healthy as it contains phytoestrogens which are thought to act like oestrogen.

Choose other plant based alternatives and even then due to the sugar and potential for gut problems limit how often you eat them.

[laraline in reply to bluebug]

Thank you can you recommend another plant based alternative for dairy as all i could see was the Apro ones with soy? Thank you

[bluebug in reply to laraline]

Depends on the supermarkets you have available.

Sainsburys sell a bigger variety of dairy free products than the rest so they have products made from coconut, almond, oat, rice, hemp and hazelnut. (You can't get them all as yoghurt though. )

All of them have their problems in one way or another either/and how they are farmed, the very low level of nutrients, or unwanted chemicals e.g. arsenic that may be in them. So it is up to you to do research on them.

[greygoose]

Fermented soy is ok in small quantities. The problem is that people in the west like to make soy a main meal, and when you comment, say that, well, the Japanese eat tons of it! No, they don't, that's a myth. They never eat unfermented soy, and fermented soy is just intended to be a condiment. You wouldn't have a bowl of Daddy's Sauce or mustard for your main meal, would you? You just have a little bit on the side of your plate. It should be the same with soy. So, making yoghurt with soy - fermented or otherwise - is a little strange, to say the least. It's altogether too much.

[AngieAsh]

you could try Quorn as an alternative to Soya which is not too bad in mince or chunks. They do make a lot of burgers, pies etc. they are processed but still maybe better than soya. I'm struggling to eliminate Soya myself as me and my fella are both Veggie and he's not as keen on Quorn in dishes, finds the texture too soft and off putting. I'm replacing half the soya I used to use in meals like chilli and pasta sauce with Quorn as a compromise for now. I still use dairy, I don't think it effects me badly and the alternatives for milk and cheese all seem packed with sugars and additives.

[Nanaedake]

greygoose is right. Japanese diet traditionally consists of fish, fresh vegetables, a measured and controlled amount of rice, buckwheat or other noodles and a small amount of fermented soy products eaten in a balanced diet with the other items and fruits for desert. A very small controlled amount of sugar mainly in alcohols used for cooking and a little sesame oil. No dairy products but eggs, chicken, mutton and pork are eaten. If you want to go dairy free eat fresh food rather than replacement products and plenty of fish. Japanese eat dried fish whole without the bones removed, must contain some calcium I would have thought. Many Japanese are genetically dairy intolerant as there is very little pasture in the country and plenty of coastline and rivers for fishing.

[laraline in reply to Nanaedake]

Thank you I will have to think of another 'treat' and forget yoghurt in any form!

[SandraS68]

I eat Coyo yoghurt recommended by my nutritionist. Ingredients are: Coconut milk (99%), Tapioca Starch, Live vegan yoghurt cultures. At £3.50 for 250g, it's not cheap but really yummy! I've found it in Tesco, Waitrose & a local health food shop.

I also use Rude Health non dairy milks which are organic and have nothing artificial added. Another alternative I've just found is by Pip & Nut in Sainburys.

[laraline in reply to SandraS68]

Thank you that is so helpful!

[Simba1992]

Many myths about diet. Here an interesting list.

westonaprice.org/health-top...

[Simba1992]

More reading about soy.

westonaprice.org/soy-alert/