Dark sunken eyes hypothyroid

[richard123]

can anyone advise if dark sunken eyes will improve. Tsh from 36 to 8 on 75mcg, GP says increase to 100, whilst I'm physically less tired I'm depressed, mildly anxious and can't stand these dark eyes.... Is dark eyes common??

[Hidden]

richard123 - it sounds as though things are improving for you - I hope it continues.

I'd love to know the answer to this question - I am very very new to all of this, and in the last 2 weeks I have noticed how very dark my eye sockets have become. I hope someone can offer some info and insight, as well as hope.

[shaws Administrator in reply to Hidden]

This is a link which will give you info:-

drpaoletti.com/faq-thyroid....

[richard123 in reply to shaws]

Thank you very useful. I've been on 75mcg for 4 weeks felt better after 2 weeks now feeling rough again will I feel better on 100?

[shaws Administrator in reply to richard123]

Before these blood tests were introduced our dessicated thyroid hormones were increased every few weeks until we were symptom-free. 100mcg is still not a high dose. Doses of NDT were between 200 and 400mcg. This is an extract from a doctor who was a 'one-man' saviour for many patients who was then pursued by the GMC for daring to make patients well and going against the guidelines. He was always dismissed as following the right protocol. (it was Professionals who reported him not the patients) He was doing as we was taught as a medical student and he was getting patients sent to him by other doctors thinking their patients must have a virus as their tSH didn't 'fit' for being diagnosed Dr Skinner was a virologist and it put him on the path to immense pressure as it wasn't his patients who reported him. Extract:-

This book was written to draw attention of the medical profession to a major faux pas in the care of patients with hypothyroidism. This arises from the inexplicable refusal of the medical profession to recognise that patients can suffer from hypothyroidism when the thyroid chemistry is deemed to be ‘normal’ if the free thyroxine or the thyroid stimulating hormone lie between 95% reference intervals. There is a further problem that when a patient is diagnosed as hypothyroid many patients receive too low level of thyroid replacement through servile reliance on thyroid chemistry with (often) cavalier disregard of how the patient feels accompanied by an implicit and bizarre belief that a level of thyroid hormone is a better index of wellbeing than the patient’s own view of his/her wellbeing.

This situation has arisen from the mindless deification of ‘evidence-based medicine’ which usually means laboratory-based-medicine where one chooses the evidence which suits and ignores evidence which doesn’t suit. There is no evidence that the efficacy of thyroid replacement is better correlated with levels of thyroid chemistry than with the initial clinical picture nor clinical outcome and in a small pilot study the author has provided preliminary evidence of this assertion.

worldthyroidregister.com/Go...

[TSH110 in reply to shaws]

@shaws - a truly great virologist his vaccine for cervical cancer will save many women's lives, including those afflicted due to childhood sexual abuse. History will laud him - unlike his persecutors whose contribution to science seems to be making every effort to keep hypothyroid suffers ill. His treatment by the medical profession is nothing short of shameful.

[shaws Administrator]

Doctors are apt to give us such small starting initial doses and even 75mcg is low. Instead of giving people good doses, they start off with minute doses usually so that everything is dragged along. That might be o.k. if we've a heart disease but I think it's insufficient and inadequate training. The following is a good link with sensible information. We shouldn't really be having to search but we have to if we've to get better. I bet your doctor/endocrinologist doesn't know what causes 'dark eyes'. Extract (my highlighting):-

What are the symptoms and signs of low thyroid?

Low thyroid symptoms and signs include cold hands and feet, chronic fatigue, poor exercise tolerance, mental slowness, slow speech, constipation, the wearing of warm clothes when others do not, general aches and pains, hair loss, dry skin, chronic sinus problems, recurrent bronchitis and even depression.

Other signs that the low thyroid state exist are the enlarged thyroid, dark circles under the eyes, puffy eyes, slow pulse, slow speech, and elevated cholesterol. Finally, a history of irregular, heavy, or extremely painful menses is often caused by a sub clinical low thyroid - a condition of thyroid disease, which is accompanied by just borderline levels of thyroid hormone.

drpaoletti.com/faq-thyroid....

Another extract from the same link:

Ignored is the other natural hormone, triiodothyronine (T3), which often is the only hormone that can provide you with relief from your hypothyroid symptoms. It really is the actual ACTIVE thyroid hormone in the body.

[richard123]

Thank you, when I first saw 3 GPs with awful tiredness slowed speech awful anxiety, sinus tachycardia feeling so unwell they all said virus, one did tft which came back at 36 and he said this is why your unwell but since he didn't order tests he said make another appt with dr who ordered blds! He said if I feel worse come back! I'd felt so rough for weeks.

gp would not increase dose as worried because of tachycardia so I saw a cardiologist who said optimal treatment may sort that out, he told me to increase and tachycardia went away.......

Treat the pt he said thankfully

[SonSwinburne in reply to richard123]

I must have a good doctor as she put me on a 100 straight away and it turned out to be my optimal dose haven't looked back if hate to think if I only started on 25 what that would be like 😁

[SonSwinburne in reply to SonSwinburne]

I'd hate to think I meant 😜

[humanbean]

Sinus tachycardia can be caused by too low or too high Free T3. Low iron/low ferritin is another culprit that is common in people with thyroid problems.

Just thought I'd point that out for info.

[TSH110]

Yes I got them something dreadful and mine are much improved now I think even levothyroxine helped! I take NDT now. I got all that heart rubbish too, the pains are much improved on NDT and were worst when I was overtly hypothyroid. Hope things resolve soon ☘️🍀☘️. I need my TSH well below 1 and as the TSH came down to single figures, a small adjustment in dose suddenly made a lot of difference.

[Hidden]

I am a panda! A puffy eyed panda at that. The darkness I always have and the puffiness shows me I need an increase in meds.

[SonSwinburne]

Once I was on my levo after a few weeks they disappeared so yes if treated they will more than likely go back to normal xx

[richard123]

Thank you all for your comments. I've upped dose to 100 last night, Dr did tell me too but when you felt rough on 50 and on 75 you wonder if it's worth it.

I'll press on and hope for the best

[mrsm49 in reply to richard123]

Dose increases can take 6-8wks to show as there's often a lag of symptoms. So hang in there!

[UrsaP]

Dark sunken eyes can be a sign that adrenals are low -will need to sort adrenals before you will get thyroid on track - something to check maybe?

[Wolfiesmom08 in reply to UrsaP]

Do you have any helpful links about adrenals and thyroid. I think that is what I have going on.

[UrsaP in reply to Wolfiesmom08]

My information is through seeing Dr Peatfield 7 yrs ago and again this week. There are links on here to adrenal issues, but I'm fairly new to this and not sure I could tell you where I found them now, probably just did a search for 'Adrenal'? Worth a try. Dr P's book, The Great Thyroid Scandal' is worth reading - focus on Thyroid but with information re adrenals and other related issues too. Google should also supply some information - the four stages of adrenal failure - and I found something under the seven stages of adrenal failure - both give symptoms to expect as function continues to fail. But if you are able to afford/get to see Dr Peatfield, that would be my recommendation. He is worth every penny he charges. Upping your meds if your adrenals are struggling is futile. You could be making things worse? Your blood will be too rich with the meds if the adrenal function is inhibiting the take up? Get the adrenals sorted first and you should see an improvement. Good luck.

[richard123 in reply to UrsaP]

Very useful Thank you

[richard123]

I will look into it but I don't have no link sorry