Fluoride is a toxic, all scientists know this, please if any has thyroid disorder stop drinking tap water.
FlUORIDE in tap water cause THYROID PROBLEMS! - Thyroid UK
FlUORIDE in tap water cause THYROID PROBLEMS!
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Please if you care about people you will tell them this, I hope people do thier own research, I hope the doctors and nurses relise this too. The best thing to do is to get a filter, people in Ireland were protesting for years to get this nasty toxic out of the water supplies, now the government over there are doing something about it. Go to FLUORIDE ALERT. ORG
There are filters and filters, those cheap ones you usually see in the shop are useless, they hardly filter it at all.
• in reply todecembersignup
Have been recommended a water distiller h2o labs for removal of fluoride and
other chemicals by jackielsa
My dentist in 1977 told me about Fluoride being a toxin all those years ago. He was completely against it being added to water as each time the same water is purified and the fluoride is again added it is building up. So that although the original amount may have been safe if the same water is purified many times the amount of Fluoride then becomes unsafe as it doesn't break down in the purification process apparently.
I heard something like this before, they been fluoridated London since 1967, it's best to purifie it again and agian, which is annoying, my filter shows me what's left behind, I still think it's better to filer it even if it's once then drinking tap water. To be honest if it makes the public annnoyed and if everyone here in the UK is angry about it, why don't we all do something about it to stop this now.
Water in London DOES NOT have fluoride artificially added to it.
Some of the water comes from rivers and bore holes depending on whether you are supplied by Thames Water or a smaller water company like Sutton and East Surrey Water. This means that the trace amounts of fluoride come from there.
This link tells you the areas of England where fluoride is added to water:
telegraph.co.uk/news/scienc...
Chlorine gas is added to disinfect water.
Water companies in the UK unlike in the US are open to showing how they deal with water and sewage. I have visited water or sewage plants at primary school and secondary school then I personally refused to go while doing my A levels and degree.
• in reply tobluebug
hi blubug have recently read a post about the West Midlands being
fluoridated since the seventies, while Greater Manchester was
not fluoridated. It concerned the fact that the incidence of hypothyroid
disease was higher than in non fluoridated Greater Manchester.
West Midlands did not appear in the Daily Telegraph article, so
how far back did the research go? As a UK aluminium company sponsors fluoride, for use in toothpaste etc they have a vested interest in adding it to the water supply. By products of this industry
include fluoride and other harmful chemicals. Chinese fluoride imports. We all take information at its face value. It's not until
scientists, reveal the facts, that enquiries may take place.
can contain arsenic and lead. Whilst the USA might be more open
in how they run their sewage plants, do they reveal what goes
into the sewage for recycling, as fluoride cannot be broken down
during purification, and remains in the water supply.
• in reply tobluebug
Have just looked up the Telegraph link - which is dated 22 nov 17.
Is this updated info the same as when the article was first written? Is the Severn Trent authority adding fluoride to water?
If the water is put into rivers or just in service points how can you guarantee the fluoride won't travel into other water supplies in nearby regions?
Thank you for info.
• in reply toPrillee
This is valuable information as it is the build up of the toxin, which is the hidden
danger. Perhaps dentists who are aware of the problem, should create a forum
on fluoride addition to water, to help inform the public awareness.
US Government just released warning that fluoride is dangerous. But they are only going after pharmaceutical companies that make fluoride supplements for kids. We get our fluoride from China (fluoride is a waste product of manufacturing) nothing was said about the lead, iron, arsenic the fluoride contains. Just think about it they put this in our water and there is no study ever done that shows it prevents dental cavities or makes stronger teeth in children. Thanks for getting the message out.
The studies that were done were sponsored by Aluminium companies who are the biggest creator of flouride as a waste product. The information is out there .... However I beleive there are different forms of flouride - am sure a chemist will put me right 
• in reply toMarz
Sponsorship seems to encourage products which aid the manufacturers
rather than the public who drink it.
• in reply toSunshinexx
Help! How naïve is our government to import fluoride with lead iron and arsenic.
Very interesting, I drink bottled water because I can smell the fluoride in our tap water. It even burns my mouth. Smells like mild bleach!
The bleach smell is the chlorine (bleach) used to disinfect the water supply. It's particularly bad in rural towns here in Ireland; maybe because of increased bacteria from farming residues in the water; I don't know. If you let the water stand for a few hours in a jug, the chlorine evaporates. However, the fluoride does not evaporate and cannot be removed with filters. It is a poison and we should not be ingesting it. It has some effect on teeth when applied topically (yuck!) but reportedly none when ingested. I shudder to think that people make up babies' bottles with fluoridated water. I hope that it is correct that the authorities here are going to to something about it. I won't hold my breath. The dental lobby is quite powerful.
Thanks for the information. Makes sense, I am in a rural area. My dentist prescribed me with some high fluoride toothpaste as I suffer with a dry mouth. Not going to touch it now.
Not all tap water has fluride in it, ask your water supply company first.
In fact. There are very few areas in the UK with fluoride added. A few still do unfortunately. And as glochessum mentions, toothpaste is another culprit. There are plenty of fluoride ( and sugar!) free ones available but more likely to be found in a healthfood store. Or make your own!
You may not agree with the site, but I have no reason to question the figures:
Number of people supplied with artificially fluoridated water:
5,797,000
Number of people supplied with naturally fluoridated water:
330,000
Total (artificial and natural):
6,127,000
Percentage of population with optimally fluoridated water:
10%
bfsweb.org/onemillion/09%20...
...and see the vast difference between the US and England! This is a particular issue in the US. Neither Scotland nor Northern Ireland have ever used artificial fluoridation apparently, in common with a good number of countries the world over.
• in reply tocatrich
Have just read a post to say that fluoride is used in Ireland but not sure if this is north or south - presume it is north. May 17
catrich• in reply to
Southern Ireland. Northern Ireland, as I mention above, does not add fluoride.
• in reply tocatrich
Thanks - I was looking at a post from jackielsa on related posts on Fluoride in tap water who mentioned that fluoride had been added to water in Ireland , Heading -
Fluoride in tap water is ... the first post on this list of replies.
catrich• in reply to
Ah -you replied to my post by mistake then.
Sainsburys stock sensodyne classic without flouride Nasty taste though) and another brand.
• in reply toTreepie
I have always obtained my fluoride free toothpaste from Boots, hopefully they still stock it as I am about to run out.
• in reply to
As fluoride is made from industrial waste imported from
china with additives such as lead and arsenic, I wouldn't
touch it with a barge pole.
• in reply towhispers
That is true, ours does and I stopped using the tap water last year. I just wish others would listen. x
This is not news, has been known for many years. It is just one of the reasons why I dont drink tap water and make my own distilled water that removes the fluoride and other things before I drink it.
• in reply todecembersignup
Looking at old post - have just put out a new post on fluoridation Fluoridated Water
harms the thyroid True or False and was recommending a distiller - someone who has
fluoride in the water was interested in a water distiller but I could not speak from personal experience. Did you get yours from h2o company?
Google about tooth paste at the end its got different colours at the end Mark with the straight from blue to black.
I use Forever Living Aloe Vera fluoride free toothpaste.
jackie,
Only 10% of the UK has fluoridated water. I don't but still have a kitchen tap with a filter for drinking, cooking & kettle water.
Interesting I read the other day that Prozac has a fluoride molecule within the components. I don't take that either.
I also use a fluoride-free toothpaste.... . Kingfisher Fennel is yummy.
I was under the (mistaken) impression that all Kingfisher toothpaste was fluoride free. I bought my first tube of it quite recently. It was only after I'd been using it for a few days that I checked and found out it wasn't fluoride-free.
So, the message for me is - never take anything for granted! Doh!
You can also use baking soda with organic olive soap. i use this and it helps, whatever works for you as long as you don't use fluoride toothpaste. Food has fluoride in it too, so stay away from junk foods they are the worst, try and eat a healthy diet, I know its not cheap but we can all do what we can.
If we can all grow our own foods that will be the end of the government, as we don't need to go to the supermarkets and read everthing behind packs. But the world we live in is digusting and toxic. Everyone doesn't care anymore, I can see it, everyone in the cities look like zombies, if you talk to them about fluoride they give you that wierd fluoride stare lol
I figure if you use a very small amount of fluoridated toothpaste, brush for over 2 minutes with a sonic toothbrush and rinse very well, 99% of it is gone out of the mouth.
The best defense against cavities is to eat zero sugar. No biscuits, no pastries, no garbage food. If you look at the labels on some of these sauces in jars, 1/3 of the calories are from added sugar. Eat real food. Don't eat dates, raisins, dried figs etc. Fresh fruit is okay. Avoid fruit juice as well. Never put sugar in coffee. And if a person is totally afraid of fluoride, never drink tea.
• in reply togabkad
Fluoride is toxic in toothpaste as it is approx. 1100 times the normal level within water supplies. Twinings and Typhoo are the two brands of tea which are said not to contain fluoride. It damages the thyroid
so it is not dental decay that concerns me. I don't drink tea or much coffee any more because of tannins which are increased with roasting beans and leaves. Some parts of India have a high incidence of fluoride where the plants are grown - so no one really knows about the combination of toxins which can harm the body, especially blood and iron levels. Reading your old post with interest.
gadgrantgg,
Looks like the paper below could have started the idea about Twinings and Typhoo - but, as I see it, although "cheap" tea might well tend to have more fluoride, that doesn't mean the better teas don't have any.
Also, Twinings in particular produce a vast range of teas and I'd expect their fluoride content also to vary. So I don't think branding alone is a satisfactory basis to decide on tea consumption.
derby.openrepository.com/de...
• in reply tohelvella
Have read article with interest. Economy brands of tea leaves mixed from many different countries such as Tetley are higher in fluoride.
Lower levels are found in Darjeeling Oo long Pu'er Assam and Ceylon. Twinings Assam bags seem to be lower than the other brands, but Jackson's tea is recommended as lower in fluoride.
Incidence of metals, manganese, iron, cadmium and lead on contaminated growth areas of teacgrowing countries in tea bags, and loose tea is not defined from brand to brand. If a person drinks over a litre a day - 4 - 5 mugs of tea they are likely to be affected by fluoride - and may be tannins. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Kingfisher do both, fluoride free toothpaste and some flavours with fluoride. I like the brand and have been very happy with my fluoride free product, however this accidental fluoride purchase made me think that they should make the packaging more different for the ones with fluoride in! So yes, they still do fluoride free toothpaste!
Boots also sell flouride free tooth paste
The tap water in Cumbria is Fluoridated
• in reply toAleahcim
Have just read some out of date info on wikeapaedia which didn't mention
your area as fluoridated.
I'm after solutions! Firstly we need to start a petition to the Goverment to rule that NO fluoride can be added to water supplies! I'd start it off but currently I don't live in the UK and I can't deliver the petition when it gets the required amount of signatures. Anyone wants to work with me on this? We could do it!!!
Secondly, can anyone recommend a water filter that filters out fluoride, apart from reverse osmosis systems, as they remove pretty much everything from the water (all minerals, even the good ones...).
We currently use a Nikken Waterfall (doesn't remove fluoride according to supplier), as fluoride is supposedly not added to the water where we are. But we are coming back to the UK in about a years' time and if the petition hasn't succeeded by then, I'd like to get a water filter that definitely removes fluoride.
Does anyone know of such system?
H20labs.com it works wonders
• in reply tojackielsa
Thanks - will save up for this brand on your recommendation.
• in reply toAmazon07
Please let me know if I can sign this petition. Margot mentioned that an MP wants to fluoridate every region in the uk. She seems to know what is going on in government circles. (Old post on fluoride in water.)
Have a look to see your area in the UK. Re Fluoride etc. waterquality.anglianwater.c...
catrich• in reply to
Good advice - as some of us keep pointing out ONLY 10% of the England and Wales has fluoride added.
Absolutely. Some water companies are very good at making information from recent assays available. And there can be differences between houses next door to each other - sometimes the sources vary considerably even in a fairly small area.
And most definitely do so before changing your current practices or buying anything. After all, the ones who make out of this are the people who sell products claimed to remove fluoride. Knowing how much truth there is in their claims is difficult - maybe they work for months without any problems, or the first few litres but not for the rest of the claimed period, or even not at all. Unless you have a means of checking the fluoride content of your own water, you are ripe to be exploited.
Would boiling make the fluoride any weaker? sorry if it's a silly question.
it makes it more concentrated...
That same website has an article about the fluoride content of tea. So if you don't want to ingest fluoride, don't drink tea. fluoridealert.org/issues/so...
Tea contains fluoride at orders of magnitude compared to fluoridated tap water.
Remember they don't fluoridate the rest of europe only Ireland, England and Spain as the government knows it's too toxic. When I travelled around europe I notice Finland and Sweden has the cleanest water. Even French water taste and smells better then here in London! I can't use fluoride toothpaste it's too toxic. I don't like the way beers and wines taste, they taste heavy compared to the drinks abroad as I know they fluoridated it alot. I want to protest about this, meet up with others who live in London to do something about this, it's dumbing us down.
London water is foul. Brighton water worse. I don-t know what wine or beer you drink but I doubt the taste of the water in the south east or the alcohol has much to do with fluoride given that the south east does not have fluoride added, almost zero wine is produced in the UK and I doubt - excuse the presumption - that you drink real ale or bitter. More likely the taste is chlorine as someone else has commented. Water in much of Switzerland is good - though the taste varies from one place to another& strangely fluoridated salt is found ( as it is in Germany, Austria and France I think.)
• in reply tojackielsa
Don't forget the tannins added in most teas especially in supermarket teas. The exceptions are Twinings and Typhoo for fluoride. Tannins in tea coffee wine beer
can cause anaemia as they interfere with iron uptake in the blood. Even fruit squashes
have tannins added which are not mentioned in the ingredients on the labels.
Amazon07• in reply to
That's crazy! Why do they add tannins???? How about Redbush tea?? Thanks!
• in reply toAmazon07
The tannins in tea are from the processing of the leaves - most teas have tannins excepting some green teas. Tannins are added to squash - they do
not appear on labels. This I believe is an oversight, as not many people are aware that some people can develop anaemia from the tannins in tea.
Red bush tea has tannins I believe. I tried some brands of other teas, but could taste some chemical additive in one I tried. Our mugs are now clean with no black staining since removing tea from the diet - however coffee also contains tannin but mild coffee powders like expresso crema etc don't stain the mugs and cups. If the black tannin stains our mugs what does it do to our insides?
Thank you for posting this. Very helpful.
I live in Sunderland, Tyne & Wear, but I don't know if our water is fluoridated. I use Kingfisher non-fluoride toothpaste which I bought at Holland & Barrett.
i live in newcastle. havnt drank tap water for 20 years.only the best spring/ mineral/ etc.. .i think it has done my body the best it could do but as a consequence i have lost most of my teeth...63 yr old female.
I have lost a few of my front teeth but that was through my own clumsiness. I tripped over some cobblestones and knocked my crowns out. Dentist did do a bridge job which lasted for a few years but now have partial palette for top teeth. However, I still have bottom teeth and just go for 6 monthly check-ups so far.
• in reply toelvera111
Spring water may not be the answer to losing teeth. I t could be a sweet tooth and drinking sugary drinks in your formative years - the advice to add fluoride to water is not the right advice from dentists. They need to advise families to avoid
sugary foods, that cause the tooth decay. Fluoride is made from industrial waste
and as a by product of the manufacture of aluminium. It is also imported, with
other ummentioned additives such as arsenic and lead,
Fluoride in toothpaste may be absorbed by swilling it in the mouth even if
you don't swallow it. The USA have recently given a warning that fluoride is
a dangerous toxin, - it is marked with a black box. Bicarbonate of soda is added
to some toothpastes, and is probably safer than fluoride.
It is - Tyne & wear is a fluoride area - sadly.
• in reply toripon1756
That's good - but I used a well known brand and think I could detect traces of lead in it!
This did not contain fluoride.
Luckily, not all that many water authorities in the Uk add fluoride. Unfortunately mine does. There are water filters that can get rid of it, but it is as important not to absorb it (or chlorine) through the skin. Chlorine is probably a bigger problem in the UK.
But how can you avoid absorbing chlorine through the skin??? Every time you shower / bath / go for a swim (my choice of exercise) you absorb it!! How can one avoid that?! And what damage does chlorine do?? It dries my skin out but apart from that? Thanks!!
10% of England has fluoride added to water supplies. From memory it was between 60 and 70% in US? That's what I mean.
helvellaAdministrator
Look up the thread - I already posted a link which shows all fluoridated areas and those areas with high natural levels of fluoride.
helvellaAdministrator
You do not need to enter a postcode for the link I posted - it just offers to open a PDF. Once open simply look at the maps.
bfsweb.org/onemillion/09%20...
Of course, I don't know if you were following my link - or some other link.
'The following UK water utility companies fluoridate their supply:
Anglian Water Services Ltd
Northumbrian Water Ltd
South Staffordshire Water plc
Severn Trent plc
United Utilities Water plc'
Source: Wikipedia
I only drink Evian because of my bladder, I get a cheap Tesco low Chlorine water for the kettle. Chlorine in tap water causes me a lot if pain. I do worry about contamination from Plastic bottles, so you just can't win. If I'm out if I have any tea, I can really smell the chlorine in the water, a lot of the time I can't drink it. I use a filter for cooking water, but not convinced it removes many of the chemicals.
I changed to fluoride free toothpaste a while back and feel better for it.
Our water at home is from a spring up in the hills in my village, but it is incredibly hard and undrinkable. A while back Severn Trent tried to improve the quality by adding a ton of chemicals I'm sure!! I've grown up with Servern Trent, so no doubt a lot of flouride, my daughter who lives in Birmingham has underactive thyroid too.
The dentist is my biggest worry re fluoride, I have a cap that twinges and before I knew it be had painted a fluoride paste on it. I've told my dentist to put it in my notes no flouride! Mind you he thinks I'm barmy asking for a thyroid guard if I have an X ray!
jackielsa• in reply to
Wow that sounds really bad, dentists only know what they supposed to know, which is obvouisily wrong stuff, who is educating our dentists, anyway you should stay away from Evian as it has lots bad stuff in it which I heard, anything mainstream is bad, think about. I wish I could help. this plastic bottle stuff is bad too I know, all I know we should all be living the way our older generations lived, the simple healthy way. The best thing to do is find people around your area that know about this and get to together to help others, so maybe when thier is a bigger crowd the government will listen and other people would want to join, if any of that makes sense. Sorry to hear about your daughter,
Best of luck
Jacqueline x
• in reply tojackielsa
Hi Jackielsa, i've been drinking Evian since 2003, I really don't have a choice as I have interstitial cystitis. In the early days of my diagnosis I even used to cook with this water my bladder was so painful. For 10 years I drank only Evian, when I get a flare in symptoms I drink more Evian it all helps to calm things down. My bladder is just so sensitive if anything horrible was in Evian it would definitely hurt my bladder. A few years back I discovered I could drink Red Bush tea, now I'm worried if that has flouride? I like it because it naturally has no acid or caffeine. If I'm out I can get away with a cup of milky Earl Grey, but that might only be twice a month .
I haven't noticed any difference in my teeth, I haven't had a filling in many years, but I do keep them very clean and floss. Maybe my low acid diet has helped keep them healthy?
There's only 200 people in my village and although it's Severn Trent, I looked on a map of areas with flouride and we're not one of them. Whether this is because we have spring water I'm not sure.
I do worry about my other two girls though living in Birmimgham as they are definitely are getting flouride.
• in reply to
Tescos and Asdas water for the kettle, are recycled tap water. |If you were to use a good water jug filter with maxtra filters they are better than some other brands, but I have to filter my water several times as the chlorine outlet is on large pavement for service areas opposite our home. As you know aluminium kettles
can be toxic - aluminium companies manufacture fluoride from industrial waste with lead and arsenic! This is even advertised as being good for teeth, when
in children their milk teeth drop out any way. However that is not to say that gum and teeth decay will not affect children's and adults health, but eating sugary foods and drinks, is going to start the rot. Have changed to non fluoride brands
as they have more than1100 times as much fluoride as fluoridated water in a tube.
Having just read research on tea have found that fluoride is higher in economy brands of supermarket teas where Morrisons own brand comes out highest.
Twinings tea has a lower amount as does Jacksons tea but the area where the tea is grown seems to make a difference as to the amount of fluoride in the tea.
Darjeeling Assam Pu'er Ceylon Twinings tea are lower in fluoride.
The main problem with tea coffee beer, red wine, fruit squashes, to name a few foods, and drinks, are the tannins which roast the beans during preparation for the coffee, so you are eating carbon, like smoking. Wood pulp is also used as a tannin in some fruit squashes. Sediment at the base of peach glavoured squash may be a sign of added tannins which are not listed as ingredients.
Tannins affect the iron levels in the blood.
If you want to get rid of fluoride in your water you can buy a water distiller from H20labs.com. They are electronic and filter two litres of water at a time.
Needless to say after reading about tannins in tea coffee beer red wine- I've cut them out. No wonder you have so much pain.
Sorry to say that some tea coffee and other foods and drinks may contain metals -
manganese irons and others even cadmium which are all toxic.
On that cheery note am putting on the kettle for a cup of Ribena (weak)
Dentists should be more concerned about the calcium paradox. Fluoride is just a short term quick fix to a systemic health problem in the West. Basically, our bones and soft tissues are in a terrible state because calcium is not being properly directed to the bones and is getting stuck in soft tissues, arteries and organs instead. The missing link according to some recent research is vitamin k2. This vitamin has been depleted over the past century due to modern day agricultural practices.
Quote from article on kidney health:- asn-online.org/publications...
"It’s well known that Vitamin D3
and vitamin K-complex, as well as magnesium, help normalize the efficiency of calcium metabolism ensuring proper calcification of bone tissue while preventing pathological calcification of the vascular and organ systems. These vitamins work synergistically to keep calcium where it belongs."
This website is very interesting too:-
I drink bottled spring water which doesn't contain fluoride, but i do make tea with tap water. I just wondered does boiling the water remove any of the fluoride content?
OMMFG My dentist has just put me on a strong flouride toothpaste... I have hypothyroidism.... I am not allowed to swallow it do you think i should stop using it?
I wouldnt mind but she KNOWS im on Levothyroxine 
helvellaAdministrator
Funny you say that when so many people are suggesting that pink Himalayan salt, or sea salt, or whatever, is a vital thing to be taking? Sometimes in quite large quantities.
Sodium chloride, the main constituent of most table or cooking salt, is around 70% chloride.
I think you will find that chloride ions in solution are absolutely vital to life.
[This is not to express an opinion on the precise amount of salt people should be taking. That is another discussion.]
It is sad that the governments seem to ignore certain press warnings. Everything has to be backed up by research from this country . The research takes donkeys years, in the meantime
people's health can be affected. I filter my water several times, as the chlorine added to our local
water supply can be smelt, and tasted - yerggh! Most people don't bother just mask the water
with squash!
helvellaAdministrator
delicious21,
Please, please, please read the link in the response to which you replied.
When you have done so, you might realise that your reply above completely misses the point I was making.
helvellaAdministrator
Have you read the linked story?
helvellaAdministrator
The one I am pasting below:
So drink rainwater. Or beer...
theguardian.com/sustainable...
🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺 Cheers.
According to certain websites many supermarket brands have fluoride additives but Twinings and Typhoo do not. However most teas contain tannins, as do most
squashes. The source of tannins can come from wood or from other sources but they may not necessarily come from natural fruit such as blackcurrants.
Nutritional org resource shows that tannins can affect your iron uptake in the blood, giving rise to anaemia. So I have removed tannins from diet from tea
and coffee beer red wine.
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