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I saw a Cardiologist this week. Seems I may have a complication due to another complication of PSP. I'd appreciate feedback.

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For those who've been following my posts, some of this is old info; for the benefit of newer caretakers/persons with PSP, I'm going to briefly refer to the complication of PSP I was diagnosed with May of 2013.

My Doc (a Neuro) surprised me with a referral for a sleep study. Sleep apnea was the furthest thing from my mind. I didn't think I had sleep issues nor am I overweight, as is often a contributor of obstructive sleep apnea.

The results of the sleep study were that I have severe sleep apnea; I stopped breathing every 30 seconds during the study, sometimes for up to 2 minutes.

However, my Doc told me my apnea is only 10 percent obstructive; 90 percent of the events were caused by my autonomic nervous system. The autonomic nervous system controls when your heart beats, when your lungs take a breath, etc.

He also told me very specifically that this type of sleep apnea is a known complication of PSP.

The only treatment is the use of a CPAP machine. I have a high-end machine and need the full face mask. While it hasn't eliminated the apnea events, this treatment has reduced the events quite a bit.

However, starting roughly a year ago, I began to notice I became short-of-breath quite easily. When this would happen, I would become sweaty and nauseas. Went to the ER a few times because of it; was treated like a cardiac patient, but my EKG's and blood-work always came back normal. So I chose to ignore it. Have enough problems with PSP symptoms.

But these episodes over time have become so frequent that they have me off my feet and back in bed almost 24/7. Even the simplest exertion such as walking down a flight of stairs, or just recently, the day I saw the Cardiologist (a few hours before), I was a few minutes into very light sweeping of the floor, and it triggered an episode. I would always rest after an episode and even 2,3,4 hours later, if I got up to walk to the other side of the house, I would be panting due to being out-of-breath.

Very scary stuff. I saw my Neuro a few weeks ago and told him about these symptoms which had become daily. He did NOT think they were PSP related, or to his knowledge, heart problems were not associated with PSP. But, he referred to a Cardiologist anyway, who I saw on Thursday.

Wow. Glad I did. He had received my records and was very prepared. He zeroed right in on a probable heart complication/s. Not directly related to the PSP, but because of the type of sleep apnea I have, which is a complication of PSP.

The Cardiologist's exact words were "Autonomic sleep apnea can wreak havoc on your heart and damage it in other ways than heart disease, or cause sudden onset of heart disease.".

A little ominous, yes. But so is PSP. Yet, something is quite wrong and there's no getting around this but to plow through the heart of it, pun intended:) Not to mention, the condition I've arrived at is not doing a thing toward quality of life.

I feel like I'm in very competent hands with this Doctor. Thursday, they drew blood-work. Monday I'm have a CT scan of my heart. On the 29th, I'm having an echo-cardiogram.

Because I still have a small part of me that whispers "Maybe you're just not trying hard enough. Maybe if you become more active, I will get stronger and this will improve.". Don't know if any other persons with PSP experiences guilt, perhaps denial, of feels they just 'need to try harder and things will get better'. Boy, if so, I'd love to hear from you. This is a lonely experience. I do believe part of why these thoughts filter thru my mind is because these are words/attitudes I've heard/received from quite a few people since my diagnosis. It has messed with my head.

So I asked the Cardiologist if I could 'just push thru' one of these events w/o risk. He said absolutely not. He said the symptoms are clearly cardiac warning signs. Told me to immediately stop what I'm doing and rest. Told him that's what I've been doing but even hours later, if I reattempt simple things, it happens again. He then told me to simply rest til I hear otherwise from him.

What I want the result to be is "Yes, we have found a problem/s with your heart and this is how we can fix it and you will feel much better.". Too much to expect? Too simple.

What I'd prefer not to hear is "Yes, we found a problem/s with your heart and the damage is irreversible but we can prevent/slow down the process if you take 2 or 3 or whatever heart medications.". Should they have side-effects that make me feel more sick and/or more tired. My daily meds right now are 8 with an additional 4 I can take should I feel like I need them. Enough already. My point here is quality of life.

What I don't want to hear at all is "Yes, we've found a problem/s with your heart, it's damaged, can't fix it and will probably get worse." Enough said.

I'm not being an alarmist, but over the past few years I've read several posts from beloved caretakers who've mentioned sleep difficulties, abnormal sounds, abnormal breathing of their persons' with PSP. If you haven't done so already, you might want to push the point with their physician should the complication of autonomic sleep apnea be present. I'd also push it a bit because even my own Neuro who I still have a high opinion of and trust, didn't seem to think there was any connection between PSP and heart problems. But there is if apnea exists.

My question to others out there is do you know of heart complications resulting from PSP, regardless of apnea? And, if anyone else is going thru the same thing, I'd really appreciated hearing from you.

And, support and words of encouragement are much in need.

Judy Johnson

MN

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jillannf6

hi judy

good that u are [posting again despite your many problems = you believe your neuro and trust him and also have a high opinion of your heart man too (I guess )

so what aren the chances of our having a heart attack?? high i guess if you do NOT rest like the cardio has told you to and i think he is probably right altho i have not come across this sleep apnea problem as a complication of PSP in the uk

sorry i cannot be mor ehelpfulb but stay strong and stay on the site1\

LOL jILL

:-)

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JudyJ in reply to jillannf6

Thanks for taking the time to respond and give support. I do appreciate it. No. I'm not taking any unnecessary chances; not after what the Cardio advised. And, these episodes leave me feeling like junk anyway.

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zjillian

Thank you for your very informative and clearly written question. My husband (72) has had PSP for at least 7 years and yes has sleep apnea and shortness of breath and horrible sweaty clammy skin with exertion. I have had no help from any doctor (Costa Rica), but Bob's PSP is so advanced that heart problems are only a small thing on top of so many other problems and medications and seizures and cognitive decline that I haven't pushed it. But at least now I know that my observations were correct. Please keep writing I am thinking about you and wishing you well.

Jill (How many Jill's are on this site?)

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JudyJ in reply to zjillian

I'm so sorry to hear that Bob's PSP is so advanced, and all that implies. Surely isn't easy on you either.

It is affirmative, tho under poor circumstances, that someone else with PSP has had sleep apnea as a complication. I hope it's affirmative back to you your observations were correct.

What makes my situation a bit unique is I was diagnosed on the young side of the range at 53; just turned 56. My Neuro Doc has told me in regards to heart problems and PSP, it's very hard to determine/distinguish because it's usually diagnosed in people 15-20 years older than me who may already have heart problems to one degree or the other. He said they usually assume the heart problems were pre-existing and is usually well documented prior to a PSP diagnoses.

I had no prior history of heart problems but for these slow-to-start symptoms that are now daily. If all the heart testing comes back ok, it will be a big relief. But that result will probably takes us down a different diagnostic route because what is happening is not normal.

You please keep writing too; sounds like you could use some support. Is there ever a thing known as too much support?

As for the number of Jill's on this site...I've noticed that too...perhaps there should be a head-count.....

Judy

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jimandsharynp in reply to zjillian

Jill, You seem to have found whatever peace there is in dealing with PSP. I'm sure your Bob is getting the best care possible with your care. I think your being able to separate the "big" things from the "small" things will fare you will as the disease progresses. Hugs Jimbo

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NannaB

Hi Judy, I'm sorry you have these extra complications on top of PSP. As far as I know my husband doesn't have heart problems so have no experience of this. You are in my thoughts and prayers and I hope there is help for you.

Best wishes

Nanna B

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JudyJ in reply to NannaB

I'm glad to hear your husband doesn't have heart complications. Thanks for responding.

Judy

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When I think back about my father-in-law who also had PSP I believe his symptoms started in his 50's, he took early retirement and made lots of plans ahead of time for insurance and nursing homes etc. He died at 73. His diagnosis was very late in coming and he was diagnosed with Alzheimer's Disease and only later PSP. They used to say it was not hereditary but it seems to be hereditary! Bob's father was failing for a long time very very slowly. I believe that Bob had systems as far back as 1989. Again the doctors did not believe me.

Now Bob is up and restless on and off at night. He is getting very little sleep at all. He can barely sit down. But he is no longer falling!!!!!!!!! haven't a clue why?

I really am so so sorry you have to deal with this; but you sound very intelligent and that is always the best secret weapon in the arsenal.

Jill

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Interesting. I've become very close to a 1st cousin of mine over the past few years. He's 64. We are related on his maternal side. His Mother was my Dad's sister. My cousin's Father died following a long battle with MSA, a Parkinson's Plus Disorder. I've spent a lot of time with him and noticed some symptoms and he's complained of other's. I don't have the heart right now to make that connection for him and suggest he get checked-out. As we baby-boomers age, I wouldn't be surprised at all to hear down the road the experts established a hereditary connections.

It's great news Bob is no longer falling but the up/down during the night is no good. Are you able to get quality sleep yourself? Sleep deprivation is the worst.

Judy

Hi Judy,

My husband is just now being tested for his oxygen levels at night. He had a pulmonary function test done because he has shortness of breath at times. He did OK on the test but we now have a little gadget that I have to attach to his finger for the next three nights to check his oxygen levels. Will let you know if it ends up being sleep apnea. The doctor and respiratory therapist are quite concerned.

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Please let me know the results of this, okay?

Thanks,

Judy

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Hi JudyJ It appears that my husband does not have sleep apnea. The tests showed his oxygen levels are OK. Just a very quiet sleeper some nights I guess.

WEVE HAD prexisitng sleep apnoea for ca 10 y. I guess another potential problem is further excaerbation by autonomic failure. Great another problem.

Best wishes to you nd thanks for raising

jmbb

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JudyJ in reply to

Maybe not, tho. Try to stay hopeful; know how hard that can be, tho. And, some types of apneas aren't as harmful as the autonomic.

And, my Doc suspects for reasons too detailed to go into right now my sleep apnea preceded my PSP by years.

Here's hoping you dodge this bullet; wishing you all the best going forward.

Judy

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Thank you so much for replying. we might dodge it. Am noting low temperature in among the infections. Not sure yet what that means. Best wishes to you

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Billyboy12

Judy J, I don't often contribute to the site (! am suffering from psp ) but your various contributions and well written emails have been an eye opener to me . I am in the uk so we're poles apart but united in facing this terrible illness as is everyone who reads this. Best wishes

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JudyJ in reply to Billyboy12

I'm so glad you commented. This site is top-heavy with caretakers and we both know why....I hope to hear from you more often as a person with PSP to a person with PSP. We have much we can share and draw on from each other. Message me if you're more comfortable with that form of communication. I would really like to connect.

Think about it, okay?

Wishing you as much wellness as you can get, peace of mind you can achieve, and still have room for some hopes and wishes.

Judy

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easterncedar

Judy, I am grateful to have your experience to learn from. My guy just very recently has started snoring. It was such a welcome feature of his that he was a quiet sleeper when we first got together, since my ex was a seismic snorer with violent apnea. I hadn't focused on the fact that this is psp-related. It's good to have the warning. Perhaps we can head off some of the problems.

Other than that, well, I want to put the kibosh on those thoughts of yours that you should just try harder, and it's somehow your fault that you are having so much trouble. Of course you know it's not true, but I wish I could banish those thoughts for you. Damn those sneaky subconscious murmurings. You have had epic struggles, and have kept rising up for the next battle in the most heroic way. If rest is what you need now, then resting is the struggle, and it won't be easy for you. Please do, though, and I hope you hear soon that your heart can be healed.

You are a beautiful writer, and I appreciate your sharing with us. As you can see from these first replies, it is helpful in practical and emotional ways. We all are learning as we go. Hang on, Judy, and take care, love, Easterncedar

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JudyJ in reply to easterncedar

Thanks, Sarah. You are a tremendous source of support.

Love,

Judy

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wifemo

Hi Judy - my, you're going through it"

Just another thought - when we slept in the same bed (before the hospital bed) I used to think Tony's breathing wasn't right, and used to nudge him. He didn't have heart problem as far as I know, but I had wondered whether not getting enough oxygen to his brain was a contributing factor?

It'll be interesting to see whether the mask helps you.

Mo

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JudyJ in reply to wifemo

I have been using the mask for a year now and it's helped my cognition quite a bit. On those occasions I don't use it, I can really feel the difference. What we're going to find out over the next few weeks is if the apnea has damaged my heart. Sure hope not.

Thanks for responding, and take good care.

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Judy, My Sharyn suffered with sleep apnea but it stopped in the last two years of PSP without anything being done. Really strange because she use to stop breathing during sleep but that went TOTALLY away in the last two years of PSP. I think, in addition, her coping mechanism was excellent. Never complained about symptoms even in the last years, weeks, days. We just sort of sucked it up and dealt with whatever the status quo was. I've read a lot but not read of heart issues with PSP unless they already were in existence. Perhaps others will disagree. Personal note to Judy: Try to concentrate on what is going on with you that is good. Try to deal with symptoms without being consumed by them.

Sort of direct input from me but I hope you'll receive it in the spirit I'm sending it. PSP is difficult and only making the best of what is good can one reasonably endure it. I hope you find some peace in this terrible disease. If I lived close I'd come over and give you hugs. LOL

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I do take it in the spirit you intend it. I know you mean the best. I've just been in a quite unstable period, not only due to PSP, but other reasons as well. I very much have the capacity to feel happiness and serenity and I don't take the good in my life for granted. At all. This storm will pass; they always do.

Judy

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Billyboy12

Dear Judy J, I don't know how to private message. Staying with the subject though I agree with your comments especially about the preponderance of caregivers views on this' site . My own wife does not read or use the. Computer at all. Too busy looking after me ! she says . I was diagnosed with psp early in 2013. It's nice to get another perspective on things.

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Pippalina

Hi Judy..Thanks for your post it has been very informing as I have noticed that in the last few weeks my husband psp sufferer has been snoring and breathing very strangely and I too keep nudging him He has also been very sweaty bodily when he has woken but his skin soon returns to normal.My husband had an angioplasty 20 plus yrs ago so must keep a check. Thanks once again for making us aware of these further problems with this awful illness. Hope all goes well for you.

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