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Donald is catching up with Boris

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We might think that we are doing quite well coping with Covid -19, but delaying lockdown led to fatalities in the first wave - and only now is the USA's "deaths per million" approaching ours, in the UK.

This second wave is less lethal, and hopefully, it will give us herd immunity... there could be a mutation and a more lethal third wave.

The second wave of the "Spanish flu" was more lethal than the first, and countries that were hard hit by the first wave had some immunity.

I hope we get "herd immunity" or a vaccine (before we get the third wave).

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footgo profile image
footgo

Good evening S11m

It is very difficult to work out this second Covid-19 wave, when so many people seem to be in denial and are carrying on their lives as though this coronavirus was a hoax!

They should be given a very loud wake-up call.

Have a lovely evening, Tim.

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S11m in reply to footgo

The government has to strike a balance… between creating panic and indifference.

There many cases not far away from here, and four in my small town last week!

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Treewade

Hospital wards are filling up fast again with Covid patients, Doncaster went from 3 last week to over 50 this. something has gone really wrong with the governments calculations as they released lockdown, really wrong, and with flu already beginning it’s surge on the country so many are going to get ill.

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S11m in reply to Treewade

According to the figures I have found, the number of covid patients in England has not doubled in the last few weeks.

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You do realise that "herd immunity" requires thinning out the herd, don't you?

The weak and vulnerable will be sacrificed so that the general population is protected.

Putting the economy before the health of the nation is going to mean many more deaths but, as our government likes to describe them...most of the victims will be the "economically inactive" who are jus a burden anyway.

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MidoriVisually impaired in reply to Carlt

I've been trying to say that for awhile. Given up.

Cheers, Midori

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S11m in reply to Carlt

Some think that a significent proportion of the elderly susceptable have already died, but you do not have to die to get immunity.

"most of the victims will be the "economically inactive" who are jus a burden anyway"

Any death is a tragedy, but yes, so far most of the deaths have been pensioners (like me) rather than tax payers... this will decrease the effect on the Gross National Product and decrease the what the government has to pay out in pensions. Younger people are now a higher proportion of infections... and deaths (among the younger age group) might increase.

I just hope that we do not get a third wave from a mutated for that if more lethal... and, if we do, we will have some degree of herd immunity by then.

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Carlt in reply to S11m

Herd immunity tends not to work on virus mutations hence the need for an annual flu vaccine to try and cope with it mutating constantly.

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S11m in reply to Carlt

I was writing this when you replied:

"One of the significent differences between SARS cov - 2/Covid -19 and flu is that Flu mutates rapidly - so we have little or no immunity to new strains... we hope that Covid - 19 will not mutate to the extent that the vaccines under development and immunity to the current forms would be ineffective."

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Carlt in reply to S11m

True but the specific coronavirus causing Covid-19 is already a mutation of the SARS virus. We know it mutates we just don't know how much yet.

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S11m in reply to Carlt

There are already many different "mutations" of SARS -COV 2, and I am sure that there will be more... but the hope is that they are (will be) similar enough for vaccines or herd immunity to be effective.

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FlowerPreciousLover in reply to Carlt

In the U.S. our Texas, lieutenant governor publicly stated, during early days of covid-19, that "our seniors are ready to die to get and keep our economy strong". Uhhhh, this senior isn't having any part of that nonsense!

Really discouraging to read that there are those across the sea who are espousing much the same! For us, the elderly; for you, the "economically inactive"... shocking to be living in these times at times!

Granted, I'm an alien in my own community; I take precautions seriously while others go about their pre-covid lives as though nearing 200,000 deaths in the U.S. is just a hoax. Really?

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ddmagee1

I will give a sigh of relief, once this fear of catching the virus dissipates! It will continue to be a threat, especially for the most vulnerable, until a viable vaccine, is available, and the spread of the virus becomes more controllable! Seems like the experts, state it will be another year, before the COVID-19, will be much less of a threat, to many!

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Treewade

If it plans to stay around forever as some are predicting hopefully we get a treatment soon if it’s going to be as common as flue we need an effective remedy

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S11m in reply to Treewade

One of the significent differences between SARS cov - 2/Covid -19 and flu is that Flu mutates rapidly - so we have little or no immunity to new strains... we hope that Covid - 19 will not mutate to the extent that the vaccines under development and immunity to the current forms would be ineffective.

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Lenny123

Really best estimates are that the world gets back to nearly normal by November 2021. Based on masks, social distancing, and so on. But especially with safe effective vaccine. And herd immunity.

But for us, the immuno compromised, best to plan for a 2-3 year world of heightened caution.

Personally i wear a filtered, n95ish mask, face shield whenever going out. Studying safest ways of travel, going to restaurants and so on.

Terribly stressful and time consuming. but we are pretty much assured of dreadful outcome if infected.

Worth it to find a balance between living well and paranoia.

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S11m in reply to Lenny123

If a country (e.g. New Zealand) or we individuals isolate, we would not be safe, as you say, perhaps for years.

I am 71 and have Co-morbidities, but I am Caucasian and lean, and I hope I already have antibodies.

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Carlt in reply to S11m

I think New Zealand's "Keep everybody as safe as possible until treatment arrives." attitude is somewhat better than our government's "Economy before the weak and vulnerable" approach.

It is the stark difference between collective responsibility and individual freedom.

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FlowerPreciousLover in reply to Carlt

If we don't bring the pandemic under control, we won't have to worry about the economies where ever we live. There will be far fewer people to keep them going.

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FlowerPreciousLover in reply to Lenny123

What you wrote is so true, Lenny. The U.S. Director of our Center for Disease Control (CDC) just announced that wearing masks was the single best preventive we could use to slow down the spread of the virus. The U.S. President publicly announced on news channels a few hours later that the CDC Director was misinformed and must have been confused by the question. This same sitting Idiot King has announced that covid vaccines will be out and available before our Nov 4th elections. Dr. Fauci, the highest ranking infectious disease authority in the nation, reported that a vaccine most likely wouldn't be available until 2nd or 3rd qtr. of 2021. Three guesses who I'll be sticking with!!

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