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Anyone been prescribed cyclophosphamide as a steroid sparer?

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My friends father has had a terrible time. Had a PET CT and they never got back to him. A month later had blood clots in one leg and ruptured aortic aneurysm. Operated on in the night. Then a month later was in hospital again with diverticulitis and kidney issues.

They put him on methotrexate and aspirin alongside pred - 25mg? - but now has pain in the other leg and is dragging it (dropped foot?) plus pins and needles.

They have just changed his methotrexate to cyclophosphamide - I have not read anyone on here that has been prescribed this.

Feel for them as they have zero experience of anyone ever being ill and it is a lot.

They are seeing the surgeon this week, 2 months after the op, and I am saying that they need to go with a list of things they need to ask. Clearly the other leg is a worry.

He is losing weight and getting very depressed - amitriptyline clearly not doing anything.

Anything else anyone can suggest that I tell them to ask at their appointment?

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The results of the PET-CT would be nice!

Cyclophosphamide is used in other forms of vasculitis and has been suggested in GCA

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Sophiestree in reply toPMRpro

Yes. It seems it was a different hospital and they never contacted him hence the disaster that enfolded.

I have told her to get a copy of the CT, and will remind her for this week.

I was surprised he was only given aspirin and not a blood thinner

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PMRproAmbassador in reply toSophiestree

It is a platelet inhibitor - probably as good as clopidogrel

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Sophiestree in reply toPMRpro

interesting re the aspirin....

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Karenjaninaz in reply toSophiestree

A medical professional suggested that I never wait to be contacted about a test result, after a suitable time.. My husband had had a prostate biopsy and we hadn't heard anything. She said always call and we did; it was cancer. We got it early - cured 30 years ago.

Doctors are human, people forget, papers get misplaced. any number of reasons for delays in getting reports. My hospital has a patient portal where I see my results, sometimes the same day. I can message my doctor, sent a photo of a problem and learn what tests are for.

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Sophiestree in reply toKarenjaninaz

I thought I replied to this but it seems to have disappeared...Yes, you're right about this, and I did stress that they have to be the advocate for his health. Great news re your husband. Something if caught early enough has a great outcome.

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SnazzyD

Oh that’s awful. I assume it was GCA/LVV. Are they in the UK? Why were they not offered Tocilizumab? It is widely used and has lots of positive data and good track record. I couldn’t find big data on the efficacy of Cyclo and what I did see said that it is used when all else has failed. Perhaps  PMRpro has something to say here.

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Sophiestree in reply toSnazzyD

Strange how my reply to you below looks like a straight post?

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Sophiestree

Yes they are in the UK and was diagnosed with LVV I think. They seemed to put him on Methotrexate from the very beginning off the back of the operation. I'm assume no TCZ due to his diverticulitis?

I feel for them as they are still in shock and as I say have never dealt with medics before. They can't understand why he wants to nap and feels to ill to do his leg exercises! He had a major operation where the surgeon said he would 'try' and save him.

I did try to tell her they need to re-educate themselves as this is not going to go away any time soon.

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PMRproAmbassador in reply toSophiestree

"They can't understand why he wants to nap and feels to ill to do his leg exercises! He had a major operation where the surgeon said he would 'try' and save him."

That obviously didn't sink in did it!!!!

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Sophiestree in reply toPMRpro

Well exactly... I did emphasis that.. a lotI told them to make sure he does rest every day and not to overface him with the exercises. If they're 20 minutes then just do 5 and maybe try another 5 later in the day.

If you've never been around illness I guess it's hard to understand. I have another friend who's partner has just had his leg amputated (diabetic) and she's furious with him.

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PMRproAmbassador in reply toSophiestree

Hmm - now that sounds like she has a problem! How long have they been together? Who does the food?

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Sophiestree in reply toPMRpro

The amputee? Think they've been together for 25 years...Don't know who does the food actually.

I think she angry as he didn't look after himself and had now paid a very heavy price. From what she understood his other leg is in a poor state too! 😱

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PMRproAmbassador in reply toSophiestree

That's what I wondered - or is she really angry at herself for not keeping him in better order? Because either could be the case. Or even both ...

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Sophiestree in reply toPMRpro

I think re the amputee, she did as much as she could, but he didn't necessarily do what he should have been doing. I get that completely. You can only go so far

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PMRproAmbassador in reply toSophiestree

Been there, done that. You can't force food into someone. But it feels like rejection ...

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Sophiestree in reply toPMRpro

Yes. I too have that t-shirt with fatal consequences

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Broseley in reply toSophiestree

Maybe they should watch "Surgeons:A Matter of Life and Death" on ch5. Last week's episode had a woman having an aortic aneurism op. I hadn't realised how big an operation it was. They had to stop her heart and circulation.

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Sophiestree in reply toBroseley

Ah interesting. He has a scar all the way down his chest. I think they were quite shocked by it.

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PMRproAmbassador in reply toBroseley

Hers was a particularly complex one but even a "plain" one is Big and requires bypass which is always a fingers crossed performance especially in the older patient where the heart might refuse to get going again.

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Sophiestree in reply toPMRpro

I can't believe I missed this one. I watch every medical show going!!Going to watch on catchup today!!

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PMRproAmbassador in reply toSophiestree

Nice to know I am not the only one!!!

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Sophiestree in reply toPMRpro

Do you have Netflix. There's a really interesting one on there where a doctor puts unfathomable cases in The New York Times and members of the public respond with similar symptoms and potential diagnosis. All bar one was successful.

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PMRproAmbassador in reply toSophiestree

No - never fancied it. Particularly taken by forensics really, It is really interesting watching programmes from a long time span and seeing how it has developed and the process can be similar to working out what a disease is. And emergency medicine is nicely gory too ...

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Sophiestree in reply toPMRpro

We did Royal Institution Christmas Lecture with Sue Black (Baroness Black of Strome) who is a Scottish forensic anthropologist, anatomist and academic. She was pretty impressive

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PMRproAmbassador in reply toSophiestree

Saw it! Think you sent me there ...

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Sophiestree in reply toPMRpro

Sorry... classic steroid brain

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Broseley in reply toSophiestree

Episode 5 is the one with the aneurism.

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Sophiestree in reply toBroseley

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piglette

cyclophosphamide is a DMARD which are sometimes used to help steroid reduction. It is quite powerful though.

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Sophiestree in reply topiglette

It certainly reads as a powerful drug

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piglette in reply toSophiestree

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Outtograss

I was prescribed 6 pulses of cyclophosphamide after my GCA-LVV had caused me to have multiple acute strokes, ten days after I started on pred. It wasn't intended as a steroid sparer, as such, but to reduce the risk of the inflammation causing further strokes, which the consultants thought was very high: they wouldn't let me leave hospital until I'd started.

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Sophiestree in reply toOuttograss

That is interesting. Sounds like you had a tough time.

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Bfp1

Hi - not sure how relevant this might be - doagnosed with vasculitis and GCA, PMR and fibromyalgia- nothing worked so i did 6 cycles of monthly infusions of cyclophosphamide. Felt awful - like on chemo - but afterwards there was a difference and i trundle forwards creaking with a lot of things, but it did make some difference definitely. Good luck xx

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PMRproAmbassador in reply toBfp1

It is a chemo drug - that's why it felt like it!

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Sophiestree in reply toBfp1

That's good to know. Thank you. I'll pass that on

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Bfp1

i lost hair, all sorts of side effects. Wishing everyone well xxx

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