COVID CHAT - Tuesday 24th March STAY AT HOME.. ++... - PMRGCAuk

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COVID CHAT - Tuesday 24th March STAY AT HOME.. +++++++++++++++++++++++PLEASE READ ALL LINKS BELOW BEFORE ASKING QUESTIONS PLEASE

Poopadoopy
PoopadoopyModerator

Many of us here has got letters or texts today saying we are vulnerable due to conditions and /or treatments and need to be part of the shielded ones for at least the next 12 weeks.

The advice for those who are shielded.

gov.uk/government/publicati...

twitter.com/i/status/124143...

And if you know someone who isn't following advice, please show them.this video.

bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-northe...

This shows you who RHEUMATOLOGISTS identified who is and isn't at risk. Please DOWNLOAD the table and carefully read.

rheumatology.org.uk/news-po...

General reading covid from heronNS

healthunlocked.com/pmrgcauk...

NHS 111....Apparently you are to do a symptom quiz before dialling 111....

111.nhs.uk/

IMPORTANT......PMRpro has provided a link where you can work out your risk score.

rheumatology.org.uk/Portals...

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I think it kind of takes your breath away & think ‘Hey, when did l become Vulnerable?....

Poopadoopy
PoopadoopyModerator
in reply to Alegna55

Yep..it's a kick..had a text from NHS in the early morning for something else. , then a call from gastro re discharge. Thought I had dodge it...then it binged into my texts.

Alegna55
Alegna55
in reply to Poopadoopy

😢

Poopadoopy
PoopadoopyModerator
in reply to Alegna55

I am going to pretend I want to stay home...😴😴😴

Thanks for including the second link with the film from Belfast Respiratory Unit telling us to stay at home and asking for help , it really does not home how they feel and how important it is to stay at home without any hysteria or fuss . They are working hard but they are frightened for Us .

Poopadoopy
PoopadoopyModerator
in reply to Blearyeyed

Was going to edit to say your suggestion but dropped off. Thanks I think it says it.

It shows someone, whom you do not know, cares xxx

Poopadoopy
PoopadoopyModerator
in reply to jinasc

I believe in people or I want to. Let's hope people realise. My sister got stuck in a traffic jam on the way home from work..the queue at Macdonald's.

Rosbud
Rosbud
in reply to Poopadoopy

My Grandson works for McDonald’s and he said here it was absolutely manic , all day yesterday , I just despair x

Poopadoopy
PoopadoopyModerator
in reply to Rosbud

People will honestly suffer withdrawal symptoms.

Suet3942
Suet3942
in reply to Rosbud

My grandson works there as well. They’ve been closed for 2 days now. Thought they all were,

Poopadoopy
PoopadoopyModerator
in reply to Suet3942

Didn't they leave drive thrus open

Rosbud
Rosbud
in reply to Poopadoopy

Only until 7oclock last night, now closed x

PMRpro
PMRproModerator

Though BoJo's announcement just now should help a lot ...

Poopadoopy
PoopadoopyModerator
in reply to PMRpro

Fingers crossed...🤞🤞

Surely people realise that government's don't shut everything down for nothing.

PMRpro
PMRproModerator
in reply to Poopadoopy

You'd hope ...

scats
scats
in reply to PMRpro

But how many of those that need to were listening?

PMRpro
PMRproModerator
in reply to scats

We'll see ...

Poopadoopy
PoopadoopyModerator
in reply to scats

See above re Macdonald's queue 30mins or so before.

scats
scats
in reply to Poopadoopy

So many rely on takeaway now. Some new flats don't have cooking facilities

diana1998
diana1998
in reply to scats

Not even an oven and hob?

scats
scats
in reply to diana1998

I saw it on TV once, more or less somewhere to sleep and make a drink. For city workers that expect to eat out, mainly young and single.

Hi scats, I am not sure where you live or what programme you saw, but such dwellings are not built in the UK. We have very strict housing regulation which requires you to provide kitchens in all new accommodation. So hopefully most people have at least minimal cooking and food storage facilities. That is if they have a home in the first place.

I do hope you're right. I think the one I saw had a kettle and a microwave could always be added. You may well know better than me, I'm not an expert.

Poopadoopy
PoopadoopyModerator
in reply to TheMoaningViolet

Rented rooms often have old plates and room for a kettle and microwave. I know of unscrupulous landlords in rented room that get checked with equipment in then remove it. I have had it happen to me. A while ago 90s, yes but those houses are still there and rented out.

diana1998
diana1998
in reply to scats

Gosh.. Where are you?

scats
scats
in reply to diana1998

Nowhere near me these were pied a terre type flats for city workers, I think in Manchester. See MoaningViolet's reply above she sounds more informed.

Poopadoopy
PoopadoopyModerator
in reply to diana1998

I was in York, Sheffield Middlesbrough...in all. Students expect more now so those places are probably rented to those on housing benefit.

Poopadoopy
PoopadoopyModerator
in reply to diana1998

And many don't know HOW to cook for themselves. I had trainee drs at my house to do a training task re coping with chronic illness and one was eating pot noodles. I use to teach at university level and I would say 30% seemed to know how to cook a full healthy meal. Not just throw a pizza in the oven. All children should be taught how to put food in their mouths without relying on takeaway.

Blearyeyed
Blearyeyed
in reply to scats

The point that I was making to my OH. Unless they also showed it in full on Facebook or Instagram it may miss the young. And choosing to put it on at 8.30 means many older people who needed the warning will have been in bed. I know my Uncle and Aunt go up at 7 and turn off by 8 .

Poopadoopy
PoopadoopyModerator
in reply to Blearyeyed

My brain is in poopadooyland so night all. Stay safe.

Safety first. 🤪

Wow! We are in our 80s and don't go up till 11pm.

Poopadoopy
PoopadoopyModerator
in reply to Constance13

And you stay in bed for 12hours!!!!!🤫😉

Well.... not TWELVE! OH brings me tea in at 7.30, I then wash and dress into comfortable day clothes. He brings breakfast at 8.30. (You have nooo idea how hard my life is).😂😂😂 I then read until 9.30/10!

Poopadoopy
PoopadoopyModerator
in reply to Constance13

🤣😂🤣

Poopadoopy
PoopadoopyModerator
in reply to Blearyeyed

I hope not bee but suspect there are quite a few stratching their heads why they can get a bus this morning.

I am on 7mg prednisolone at the moment but I have not received text or letter to-day. is it a certain dose that makes you more vulnerable , thanks x

Poopadoopy
PoopadoopyModerator
in reply to dillydally1

It's people above or equal to 5mg pred over 4 weeks with one or more immune suppressant and/or other conditions. So if you don't fit you are staying home...emergency shopping and chemists etc.

thanks, I also take hydroxychloroquine which I have heard is being tested to see if it can help help covid 19 x

Whitner
Whitner
in reply to dillydally1

Yes! In the US it’s being tried.

dillydally1
dillydally1
in reply to Whitner

fingers crossed it will be helpful x

Poopadoopy
PoopadoopyModerator
in reply to Whitner

To treat rather than prevent I understand but anyone can correct..

sciencemag.org/news/2020/03...

Whitner
Whitner
in reply to Poopadoopy

Yes as a treatment. I’ve read it’s been effective in France and heard a man in California was treated successfully.

Poopadoopy
PoopadoopyModerator
in reply to Whitner

I just downloaded a table from WHO of drugs being tried globally. I will try and get it linked at some point.

PMRpro
PMRproModerator
in reply to Whitner

Trials all over the world - not just the US.

Poopadoopy
PoopadoopyModerator
in reply to dillydally1

Its one of many drugs that are being used to test in treatment rather than prevent I think (?). But in terms of the covid risk groups you are low risk group for pred and hydroxychloroquine, though if you had another at risk condition it bumps you up. If you haven't had a letter yet or a text then so far so good in term of self isolation but they are giving themselves until Sunday 29th to finalise. Don't forget the STAY AT HOME protocols apply to all.

i certainly will stay at home, hopefully if everyone does this the virus can slow down, I am in the UK.

I live in a retirement apartment on the first floor and have a small jack Russell which is difficult. also we don't have our own washing machine, there are two communal washers and two dryers for 40 apartments. I am now hand washing my laundry.

ANYONE ELSE IN RETIREMENT APARTMENT, x

Poopadoopy
PoopadoopyModerator
in reply to dillydally1

davidcantswim is in an apartment block so I would presume have similar issues as anyone in other blocks.

jsheard
jsheard
in reply to dillydally1

I’m on 7mg too and haven’t received anything

Poopadoopy
PoopadoopyModerator
in reply to jsheard

If you are only on 7mg, no other immune suppressants or conditions on the list on the gov website then you need to stay at home except for emergency shopping etc. You should read the links above.

dillydally1
dillydally1
in reply to jsheard

so we have to self isolate and social distance at our discretion, take care x

Poopadoopy
PoopadoopyModerator
in reply to dillydally1

Yes. But still only one exercise..walk..a day and only shops for food and meds. Social distance.🌻

yes will do one short dog walk a day and will use the apartments private garden downstairs for toilet purposes. (for the dog of course) haha x

Poopadoopy
PoopadoopyModerator
in reply to dillydally1

😂🤣😂 take my dog by sending her a picture in your imagination...that's her picture..

love your dog she looks so lovely with her hat on , we just have the jack Russell now, right of picture, xx

Poopadoopy
PoopadoopyModerator
in reply to dillydally1

Aaww bless

just been told we are not allowed to use the large private gardens around our apartments for our dog meg to go to the toilet, (even though we use doggy bags) seemingly some of the residents wouldn't like it!!!

Poopadoopy
PoopadoopyModerator
in reply to dillydally1

Ohhh tell them you will spray soapy water on the grass afterwards🤪. Early doors or late doors then.

talk about people coming together at times of need, I pay garden maintenance and ground rent like everyone else here, rant over, xx

Poopadoopy
PoopadoopyModerator
in reply to dillydally1

People can be petty ...

PMRpro
PMRproModerator
in reply to dillydally1

If you are on under 10mg pred per day and with no other immunosuppressants OR other qualifying conditions such as asthma, raised BP, cardiovascular disease then you may not get a message/letter.

On this scoring grid which is what the rheumatologists were using to classify patients:

rheumatology.org.uk/Portals...

you get a 2 for the pred, 0 for the hydroxychlorquine and that means:

Score of 2: patients to self-isolate or maintain social distance at their discretion

You may not get a letter on the basis of that, especially since everyone is to do something inbetween anyway.

Poopadoopy
PoopadoopyModerator
in reply to PMRpro

👍..linked in post.

Thanks - this is very helpful.

dillydally1
dillydally1
in reply to PMRpro

many thanks, really helpful, everyone stay safe, thinking of you all xx

Caradomben
Caradomben
in reply to PMRpro

So does that mean if you are in 10 mg prednisolone and have hypertension you add the scores which makes it 3

PMRpro
PMRproModerator
in reply to Caradomben

I suspect so yes - hypertension in itself makes you high risk, longterm pred at 10 or above will add in poor adrenal function in emergency situations. I don't feel I can contact my tame rheumies - who are busy doing things other than rheumatology!

Whitner
Whitner
in reply to PMRpro

Thanks for posting this. Helps me in US too!

I had a phone call from rwheumatology tosay to let me know that I'm high risk group due to being on 20mg pred. He said new guidance in yesterday put anyone over 20mg in the high risk group (as defined in the UK).

Don't have anything to evidence this and I doubt I will get a letter soon given my GP will be right behind the curve as I'm fairly newly diagnosedand they are not up to date on my current dose.

What a time to develop a condition like this.

Poopadoopy
PoopadoopyModerator
in reply to Coffeebeans

It is. Sadly the 20 plus people as on the lists. RHEUMATOLOGISTS list of at risk above.

PMRpro
PMRproModerator
in reply to Coffeebeans

See the link I posted above - the scoring for rheumy patients.

maria40
maria40
in reply to PMRpro

Does the cumulative does count in any way? I'm currently on 12.5 but have been taking steroids for 20 years, mostly at around 5mg.

Poopadoopy
PoopadoopyModerator
in reply to maria40

It's seem to me on the tables I saw 4 weeks was mentioned.

PMRpro
PMRproModerator
in reply to Poopadoopy

I assume that means either that you do not become immunocompromised on short term pred or it is associated with adrenal function being inadequate in response to overwhelming infection.

PMRpro
PMRproModerator
in reply to maria40

Not that I have seen - except long term use of pred above 5-7.5mg will maybe have compromised adrenal function and that will be critical in the event of serious illness.

Poopadoopy
PoopadoopyModerator
in reply to PMRpro

Yes I was thinking 12.5m might be at least s dose that save the borderline adrenal issues. 7.5mg and a dmard is worst of both!!

maria40
maria40
in reply to PMRpro

I've just spoken to GP surgery and had it confirmed that I'm in an increased rather then high risk group. I did mention SVT but the receptionist didn't seem to know anything about that. So I'll continue to self isolate and only venture out a few metres to empty rubbish and get some fresh air.

My GP said today that 20 mg is high risk but when you taper your dose down you move out of the high risk group

Poopadoopy
PoopadoopyModerator
in reply to Tabby124

Yes. But you still have to stay home and social distance if you shop only for food and meds, which probably in the long run will put you at less risk.

PMRpro
PMRproModerator
in reply to Tabby124

And enter a merely increased to high risk group according to the BSR documentation we have mentioned. Like everyone else you need to stay at home and avoid contact with everyone else outside your household - even family members living in another house.

Tabby124
Tabby124
in reply to PMRpro

Yes agree. My teenage children are staying with their Dad and I’m self isolating for 12 weeks. Ex husband is dropping off food and medication. My GP said it’s worth it to keep safe

PMRpro
PMRproModerator
in reply to Tabby124

My daughter can't even do that - their dad was on the Braemar and is under a 2 week quarantine after being away for 4 weeks because of that fiasco. Once he's finished that I don't see work being very helpful about more time off - he's a paramedic!

Tabby124
Tabby124
in reply to PMRpro

Gosh. That sounds tough for them all and

a paramedic too. Wishing them well.

Am on 12.5mg should I contact gp as have not heard anything, thanks

Poopadoopy
PoopadoopyModerator
in reply to Lola5670

Not unless you are on another immunosuppressant or an at risk condition. See the links above.

Lola5670
Lola5670
in reply to Poopadoopy

Thank you for replying to me, am keeping indoors anyway as is hubby who will only now go our corner shop to get essentials. Please take care of yourself xxx

Poopadoopy
PoopadoopyModerator
in reply to Lola5670

You can look at the post about risk score to check too. Take care.

I have not heard from the surgery & maybe I won’t. I have Adrenal Insufficiency & take between 4-5mg pred daily. Upped to 5mg 2 weeks ago as had sore throat & sleeping deeply(very unusual for me!). Do you think I am “Vulnerable “ . I have always been told to double my dose if ill or having surgery but from what I’ve read here Pred makes you more vulnerable. Advice would be reassuring. Thank you x

Poopadoopy
PoopadoopyModerator
in reply to Pollyanna16

Maybe as well as reading the links in the post you might see if there are other site/forums for adrenal insufficiency and Addison's..though bear in mind some of their advice not all addisons advice applies to you.

Thankyou I’ll do that x

PMRpro
PMRproModerator
in reply to Pollyanna16

addisonsdisease.org.uk/news...

You should be stringently social distancing but not necessarily self-isolating as I understand that.

Pollyanna16
Pollyanna16
in reply to PMRpro

Thank you so much PMRpro. Very useful for my husband to read & made sure I have my steroid card & prescription list in my wallet. I must say having been reasonably relaxed up till now the stress levels have mounted hugely having read all that but I know it has to cover people with Addisons which I don’t have. Shortly I will put on my lovely pilates teacher’s new video & BREATH! Thinking about getting in touch with the endocrinologists dept but suspect they will be overloaded x

Poopadoopy
PoopadoopyModerator
in reply to Pollyanna16

Doing some breathing and keeping nice and relaxed especially important.🌻

PMRpro
PMRproModerator
in reply to Pollyanna16

Probably learning how to run a ventilator! We have neurologists working in ICU in Bergamo! Rather outside their usual duties ...

Pollyanna16
Pollyanna16
in reply to PMRpro

Absolutely!

maria40
maria40
in reply to PMRpro

I have heard of dentists being asked if they were prepared to assist here with respiratory treatments.

GOOD_GRIEF
GOOD_GRIEF
in reply to maria40

Here they're being asked to donate their protective gear.

HeronNS
HeronNS
in reply to GOOD_GRIEF

In Canada they are trying to find all the places where there may be large quantities of suitable masks. They mentioned salons, contractors, dentists of course, a few other possible sources which one would never really think of. I suppose even artists might have a few unused masks stashed away.

I didn't get a letter or text yesterday. Does that mean 7mg of Pred is not a problem with this virus? Can't get through to Dr to ask him, but been indoors for a week so may as well carry on.

Poopadoopy
PoopadoopyModerator
in reply to Marcy47

You still need to follow stay at home protocols. The lists of vulnerable and at risk people is in the RHEUMATOLOGIST DOWNLOAD above. 🌻

PMRpro
PMRproModerator
in reply to Marcy47

If you are on under 10mg pred per day and with no other immunosuppressants OR other qualifying conditions such as asthma, raised BP, cardiovascular disease then you may not get a message/letter.

On this scoring grid which is what the rheumatologists were using to classify patients:

rheumatology.org.uk/Portals...

you get a 2 for the pred,

Score of 2: patients to self-isolate or maintain social distance at their discretion

You may not get a letter on the basis of that, especially since everyone is to do something inbetween anyway.

Poopadoopy
PoopadoopyModerator
in reply to PMRpro

I have put the risk score in post but suspect you will be linking all day.

Marcy47
Marcy47
in reply to PMRpro

+1 for being over 70 =3

PMRpro
PMRproModerator
in reply to Marcy47

Then you stay at home and refuse to allow anyone else in the house.

PMRpro
PMRproModerator
in reply to Marcy47

And I gather you can apply online via this link if you live in England

coronavirus-vulnerable-peop...

Can I just ask if amending our posts is not allowed? I just tried and a red message said that my permissions for this action had been removed. Confused!

Poopadoopy
PoopadoopyModerator
in reply to SheffieldJane

Post regarding covid and the recent letters te covid have been turned off to make sure info in one place. We have been doing that for a week where possible . Sometimes we miss one. If you have comment question to a specific person try a pm? I was in the process of turning one off and between doing it and it being done your comment must have been posted on on thread. 🌻😁

That makes sense. Sorry, first post in days and I ruin the efficient ship ( been watching old films with John Mills, I find him reassuring.) in Which We Serve “ An Efficient Ship is a Happy Ship”.

Poopadoopy
PoopadoopyModerator
in reply to SheffieldJane

Love it...noel coward,.

Celia Johnson too, I need to channel her. I love This Happy Breed.

DorsetLady
DorsetLadyPMRGCAuk volunteer
in reply to SheffieldJane

Do you mean original post or reply? Just edited a post of mine okay! And this

A reply but on reflection maybe in the wrong place. I have been ill with a cold, streaming nose, aching and even an occasional cough ( quite alarming for us at present). So it was my first attempt to join the flow and may have missed a lot and not be particularly efficient.

DorsetLady
DorsetLadyPMRGCAuk volunteer
in reply to SheffieldJane

Sometimes I find system doesn’t always accept response straightaway - and you’re left wondering what’s going on! Then it suddenly comes up with message “successfully edited” or some such wording.

Hope you soon feel better. ❤️

Thank you so much! Does everybody know about the simple questionnaire on the NHS 111 site, where you answer questions about your symptoms and are told what to do? I used it on Sunday night because I had a temperature and was told to self isolate. It would be interesting to know the advice had my symptoms been worse. I honestly wasn’t sure of the action if you are clearly pretty ill with Covid 19.

Poopadoopy
PoopadoopyModerator
in reply to SheffieldJane

If you have the link..pop it up...

DorsetLady
DorsetLadyPMRGCAuk volunteer
in reply to SheffieldJane

What do you mean - from their advice online? I thought they would follow up if you’re really ill with virus....or you would hope they would - do they ask for other issues and/or medication to check if you’re in the “at risk” group.

Poopadoopy
PoopadoopyModerator
in reply to DorsetLady

You are supposed to go online and do it before you 111. Just seen on TV 🤪

DorsetLady
DorsetLadyPMRGCAuk volunteer
in reply to Poopadoopy

Jane was doing it online I think.

Haven’t looked at it, so if you don’t get the answers online, you then have to ring?

Just where are you, do you have a fever, do you have a cough etc. Then you get your advice, no questions about underlying conditions when I was sent to bed, I mean isolation where I am already.

DorsetLady
DorsetLadyPMRGCAuk volunteer
in reply to SheffieldJane

‘Sent to bed” - you sound like a naughty child 🤣😂🤣. Not as good as it could be then!

You could say that, we are grounded. Maybe the post code is a factor too. I suspect that the answer is “ self isolate” whatever you put. I didn’t experiment in case they came to get me sirens blazing.

Here it is - interactive:

111.nhs.uk/

Poopadoopy
PoopadoopyModerator
in reply to SheffieldJane

Thanks....will boost up the line

Poopadoopy
PoopadoopyModerator
in reply to DorsetLady

I have been doing a long post several times and got the oops.....page no longer exists or replies off when I look. 😤

DorsetLady
DorsetLadyPMRGCAuk volunteer
in reply to Poopadoopy

Very annoying!

Annoying - I always think it’s me - it often is in my case!

Thanks for providing this info 🌸🌸

Hi I wish I had a hair cut before this isolation we are all going to have pony tails, buns or elegant chignons by the end of this 👳‍♀️ Stay safe.

Poopadoopy
PoopadoopyModerator
in reply to Sorop

I am going for the miss havisham look.

Sorop
Sorop
in reply to Poopadoopy

Love the image, maybe we will all have cobwebs as well.

HeronNS
HeronNS
in reply to Sorop

There's a hilarious pic going the rounds of FB at the moment of a woman saying when all the hairdressers are off, but your dog groomer has an opening, and a picture of her looking rather like a chocolate poodle!

Yellowbluebell
YellowbluebellModerator
in reply to Sorop

I am considering the yeti look!!

mine will be more Old English Sheepdog!

HeronNS
HeronNS
in reply to Sorop

It's not really that long since I had my hair cut but it is growing faster than ever. Spring is here!

The Belfast respiratory unit video is the most powerful advice out there. Calm. Realistic. Reassuring. No pretence. These workers are just incredible.

What a really weird day

Son was up before me at 7,30am never happened before

So silent outside really spooky

Had my exercise for the day

Dug the garden and planted 5 rows of potatoes not done that for a long time

Rest can wait till tomorrow depending on weather and how I feel

Washed all shopping my Son kindly got for me today

He said shops had in place social distancing measures in Poundland and Morrisons and where very quite .

New way of living

Suppose we better get used to it.

Well lunch done now off to make Quiche for tea as he manged to get Salad bits .

May make scones tomorrow most likely to end up looking like biscuits but I will have a go .

Take Care everyone

This is very informative! Thank you Poopadoopy. Stay safe.

Poopadoopy
PoopadoopyModerator
in reply to kulina

It's a joint effort by all involved. Thanks and you stay safe too. 🌻

I think I m in the shielding group. On 9mg pred. With high blood pressure . I live alone in a flat . Could I still go outside the flat for fresh air if there is no one around .

HeronNS
HeronNS
in reply to Caradomben

I've just been reading the categories and it sounds like shielded group includes people who are in a precarious condition. If you are otherwise strong I don't think there would be a problem you going out. We are being told that fresh air and exercise is important. But, yes, observe the physical distancing scrupulously and wash your hands when you go inside again!

Poopadoopy
PoopadoopyModerator
in reply to Caradomben

If you get self isolating/shielded letter etc. You must stay at home. I may try the garden in a few weeks but it says you can open a window...I have to let the dog out and like I say once things settle I may try the more secluded area of my garden but bear in mind the virus sticks to surfaces so you have no idea where and what is contaminated. . Keep reading the daily chats for updated information. But you can fill in the risk score and enter your details online on the risk score post by pmrpro. Stay home stay safe.

HeronNS
HeronNS
in reply to Caradomben

Are you able to leave without encountering people in any of the other flats? I live in a condo building and as no one seems to be doing more than collecting their mail or walking their dogs (lots of dog owners here, building has 100 units) I hardly ever see anyone. Wrap up well, wear gloves, and get some sunshine if you can. If you see anyone else in the hallway, don't go past them, wait.

The most common method of transmission is through droplets, hence the instruction to stay at least 2 metres away from everyone else. We all now know how to protect ourselves from contaminated surfaces. Wash hands, don't touch your face. Protecting yourself from invisible droplets is more problematic. But psychological health is also important and will be good for your immune system. But if the law is you can't go out, then so be it. This too shall pass!

PMRpro
PMRproModerator
in reply to Caradomben

Have you had a message yet? What makes you think you are in that group? How old are you? Age is also a factor to add in.

It isn't just not meeting someone - especially when you live in a flat. Others use the lift and the stairs, especially the handrail, so the virus may be anywhere and that is where the risk lies. It has now been found the virus can survive for up to 17 days on metal and plastic and experts are beginning to realise the "smear" contagion is significant - that is what you pick form surfaces when you go out and the main reason patients in the shielding group are told to stay at home.

Caradomben
Caradomben
in reply to PMRpro

Have not had a letter. I live in Scotland . I am on 9mgs prednisolone . Tapering 1 mg month . I also paroxysmal AF and hypertension

PMRpro
PMRproModerator
in reply to Caradomben

No, my daughter and her friends haven't either. I hope it comes soon.

HeronNS
HeronNS
in reply to Caradomben

I'm sure I read somewhere that the letters would be rolling out up to the 30th?

Poopadoopy
PoopadoopyModerator
in reply to Caradomben

You need to fill in the risk score and register to see if you are in the vulnerable group before you decide anything.

rheumatology.org.uk/Portals...

Poopadoopy
PoopadoopyModerator
in reply to Caradomben

Perhaps filling this in may help. It allows you to register to see if you are considered vulnerable.

gov.uk/coronavirus-extremel...

I came across this article this morning. I think this important for people to know, but I don/t want to cause a panic.

The CDC has found that the virus can live on surfaces for up to 17 days, which they found out by looking at the cruise ships where so many passengers got sick.

msn.com/en-us/health/health...

Poopadoopy
PoopadoopyModerator
in reply to GOOD_GRIEF

We are posting tonight/tomorrow as a daily chat gg

For disinfecting, you'd be better off with a bleach, alcohol or peroxide solution than soap and water. You need less liquid to accomplish disinfecting of foods and packages. Apply with paper towels and allow to air dry. No need to rinse. Double bag the paper towels for disposal. (Yes, I know, environmental concerns. This is an emergency.)

for bleach - 1/4 cup to 1 gallon water

for alcohol - 60% alcohol 40% water

for peroxide - 50% peroxide 50% water

Never mix the agents together. Note that each can cause damage to some surfaces and countertops. Try to wear gloves, because the solutions can be drying. But if you can't, moisturize after. You can use plastic bags to substitute for gloves, and them toss them, too.

HeronNS
HeronNS
in reply to GOOD_GRIEF

Why do you say these are all better than soap as we have repeatedly been told to use soap, including a soapy cloth to wipe door handles and so on?

HeronNS
HeronNS
in reply to GOOD_GRIEF

You have an alcohol percentage next to peroxide?

Also for hand sanitizer we are told that we need at least 60% alcohol so how can diluting that with water remain effective? I am concerned about these instructions. Can you give a link where you found them? Please and thank you.

Poopadoopy
PoopadoopyModerator
in reply to HeronNS

Can we play nicely all. Thanks.

HeronNS
HeronNS
in reply to Poopadoopy

Sorry, I was just trying to get accuracy and clarity. I shall reword. Was in a hurry because I have hungry mouths to feed.

Poopadoopy
PoopadoopyModerator
in reply to HeronNS

That's fine...done it myself. Was just checking.

GOOD_GRIEF
GOOD_GRIEF
in reply to HeronNS

Thanks for pointing out my error. I edited the line in the post.

I'm simply passing along info from the USA. You should do what you think is best.

Not everything is suited to be doused with loads of soap and water. One can use any of these solutions for cleaning produce or packages or surfaces, as none of them have enough chemical in them to harm you unless you're drinking them.

HeronNS
HeronNS
in reply to GOOD_GRIEF

Yes I'd read that the virus can live on some surfaces rather longer than originally thought. Whatever, we have to wash our hands anyway because at the moment there is always going to be the possibility of a fresh deposit so I'm not sure this news really means we have to change the habits we are already being told to develop.

GOOD_GRIEF
GOOD_GRIEF
in reply to HeronNS

Sadly, not everyone is "developing the habits"...

HeronNS
HeronNS
in reply to GOOD_GRIEF

I'm not going to panic. Whether the surface was contaminated 17 or 2 days ago, I won't know and have to wash my hands (or not if I'm that other person) anyway. What it may mean is that the 14 self isolation is a bit short, but I think we knew that already because I've read that there may be an outside chance of transmitting the disease as long as 27 days, I wonder how long the quarantine lasted for covid-19 positive individuals in Taiwan? nationalpost.com/health/how...

GOOD_GRIEF
GOOD_GRIEF
in reply to HeronNS

My stupid POTUS is speculating about shutting down self-isolation and social distancing so everyone can go back to work.

Meanwhile, NYC has 15,000 cases and the rate is doubling every 2-3 days.

HeronNS
HeronNS
in reply to GOOD_GRIEF

I heard that. He's insane.

It's possible in a pinch that even a homemade mask or a scarf of tightly woven fabric fitting close to the face works better than nothing to filter out virus particles. Might be a level of protection to help in a situation where you are in the great outdoors, or a sparcely populated supermarket.

medscape.com/viewarticle/92...

I plan to make a supermarket run later this week, hopefully during an hour set apart for seniors and high risk folk, and may use a scarf to cover my mouth and nose while I'm in the store.

Raven1955
Raven1955
in reply to HeronNS

Yes, it certainly has to be better than nothing. I know there are many sewing groups that are producing masks for medical staff because hospitals, especially rural ones in the USA, have virtually no inventory of protective gear and are able to get precious little.

Our daughter is lead nurse at a small hospital in northern Maine. The virus has been slow to reach their area and she's thankful because it's giving them some time to prepare as best they can. She said contractors, welders and others have been dropping off masks at the hospital. Virus may well be in the area but they have zero test kits.

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